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Tell me why games need to be higher than others in price? What is the logical reason.

Gta and gta sa are same size same quality?




Ok, I am confused. Is this thread about Sony charging for PS2 games, Sony charging different prices for PS2 games, Sony charging for VR titles, Sony losing potential sales because of the way they have implemented PS2 BC, Sony losing your PS Plus Subscription, or Rare Replay offering more value?



I dont know what this thread is about any more. You have turned Rare Replay vs PS2 BC, into a thread full of fuck Sony for everything.
 
What about local coop?

that is couch co-op

Ok, I am confused. Is this thread about Sony charging for PS2 games, Sony charging different prices for PS2 games, Sony charging for VR titles, Sony losing potential sales because of the way they have implemented PS2 BC, Sony losing your PS Plus Subscription, or Rare Replay offering more value?



I dont know what this thread is about any more. You have turned Rare Replay vs PS2 BC, into a thread full of fuck Sony for everything.

the thread is about whatever inane issues jack the nippper feels he needs to bring up in regards to sony
 
Ehh, tehnically they are considering the SW titles

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I don't think Rare Replay and the PS2 enhanced games are comparable... It does suck that there's no cross-buy for the games, which is why I'm not really buying them again outside of Rogue Galaxy and Dark Cloud.
Why is this thread still open?
Digital foundry reviewed the sw ps2 ports on ps4 qnd noted that they run at 60 fps andhave better presentation.
 
Is someone gonna take a shot at translating this or should I get in touch with translator san ?
Oh good I wasn't the only one who struggled to read that than.

I think some people need to realize that despite all these gaming personalities at Sony and Nintendo they are a business at the end of the day who's main goal is to make money.
 
Isn't SharePlay done over the internet?
I am talking about just plugging in a second DS4 and playing as Player 2.
 
Didn't you mean what the value added difference was between XBO BC and PS4 BC?
Does coop work on PS4 BC?
And resolution counts but not the lack of screen tear?

You added the V-sync comment after I read your comment & I didn't see it until after I hit reply.
 
lets hope we see all the SMT titles and spin offs

All I need is Burnout 3 at 1080p and a locked frame rate.

They might need to change the music, but they need to make it happen.
I need the tenkaichi games, Victorious Boxers, and many more.
Wouldn't it be amazing if you could put the ps2 disc in, and it prompts you to buy the game digitally. I know, I know, I'm living a fantasy. :P
 
Ok, I am confused. Is this thread about Sony charging for PS2 games, Sony charging different prices for PS2 games, Sony charging for VR titles, Sony losing potential sales because of the way they have implemented PS2 BC, Sony losing your PS Plus Subscription, Sony making less money now, or Rare Replay offering more value?



I dont know what this thread is about any more. You have turned Rare Replay vs PS2 BC, into a thread full of fuck Sony for everything.

I dont know anymore, its all over the place.

I dont know why this thread is still open
 
Aren't most digital variants of retro physical games more expensive on every console? Unless the game is rare? The options are keep your PS2, or your BC PS3, or the PS3 you bought lots of digital PS2 games on or alternatively use this new method or get a PS2 or a BC PS3.

That is to say if price is the issue. On a sheer content level however the new digital variants come with additional features not present in the base game. Thats not a bad thing. Getting paid for that isn't either. How much you as the consumer thinks its worth is up to you.

To keep arguing about disc based BC just because Microsoft implemented is redundant at this point. If the PS4 wasn't optimized to do disc based emulation then there won't be a proverbial flip of the switch. It's a dumb comparison at this point.
 
Are you claiming that consumers cannot dispute the value of a good? About anything? Gas? Food? Medicine? Shoes?

That is a weird idea. It's a short step to arguing that market regulation doesn't make sense because markets never fail.

No not at all. I'm saying that one shouldn't feel entitled to a free copy of a game because they bought it on a different system years ago... Which is what the OP mentioned in one of his posts in this thread. I think that's taking it too far.

And saying stuff like "I rewarded Sony and this is what I get as thanks" and "There is no justifiable reason in it other than sonny seeing higher profit margins than they actually need" is just a ridiculous thought process to me.
 
Isn't SharePlay done over the internet?
I am talking about just plugging in a second DS4 and playing as Player 2.

Sorry I thought you meant as a form of online coop. As far as we know it should work the same as always since it's just an emulator.
 
Yes, I know it will be hard, but I would be very happy if we get 6-8 classics a month.

I think you'll be lucky to get that every quarter. I really don't think there's going to be a huge wave of titles. Unless these become a huge seller I don't think we'll have many more than 20 this time next year.
 
You're the one comparing video games to essentials, not him.
It doesn't matter what is being sold. Claiming that price-setting is categorically at the discretion of the business ignores that markets fail. The general principle used in the initial argument is false.

It's a nitpicky point because in this case the good is video games and there is plenty of competition so them setting the price of old games high isn't market power in the context of gaming. So Sony setting a high price for old games ain't an issue.

Even so, that doesn't mean that people cannot complain about prices. Negotiating prices is normal.

I'm just sick of people tossing around "businesses can set whatever price they want and profit-seeking is their sole purpose so don't complain." The first isn't always true, the second is a recent concept, and the third doesn't even follow.
 
I have no problems paying for the upscaled games with trophies. I have done it before digitally on ps3. I have a problem with those purchases not transferring to my ps4 if they come over. Like God of War collection. I bought Banjo Kazzoie and Banjo Tooie years ago on my 360. This past June after E3 i booted up my xbox one and seeing those games there and downloading them with their game saves copied was a really nice thing. I bought them, they are mine.
 
It doesn't matter what is being sold. Claiming that price-setting is categorically at the discretion of the business ignores that markets fail. The general principle used in the initial argument is false.

It's a nitpicky point because in this case the good is video games and there is plenty of competition so them setting the price of old games high isn't market power in the context of gaming. So Sony setting a high price for old games ain't an issue.

Even so, that doesn't mean that people cannot complain about prices. Negotiating prices is normal.

I'm just sick of people tossing around "businesses can set whatever price they want and profit-seeking is their sole purpose so don't complain." The first isn't always true, the second is a recent concept, and the third doesn't even follow.

The market allows them to price the games at the point Sony and the Publishers decide, and if they don't sell well they can lower that price.

Complaining about the price of these games won't effect their decision.

Buying them or not buying them will.
 
If you read this thread, you would see thats not my only defense.

But lololol riight?

EDIT: And as I said up there, plenty of people buy VC stuff on the Wii and Wii U. $5 less than what Sony is charging for a ROM, pretty much. So how is this going to kill Sony, or destroy the game market, as people are claiming?
I think the mistake people make, is thinking this is bc. Like VC on Nintendo's system, they're releasing past games for the newer systems.
 
PS2 on PS4 is a fiasco. That said, Rare Replay is pretty much crap. 720p games... now in 720p. Wheeeeeee
 
Id rather pay $10-15 on a PS2 game I used to love than to play the Rare Replay though. Ps2 on Ps4 stuff aint perfect though.
 
I think you'll be lucky to get that every quarter. I really don't think there's going to be a huge wave of titles. Unless these become a huge seller I don't think we'll have many more than 20 this time next year.
Probably, judging by what we have so far on psn.
I wonder how much it costs to get these games on psn, and why they(pubs) don't seem to interested. From the outside, it looks like easy money.
 
Problem solved. They aren't going to care about what you say in these forums. Speak with your wallet.
They probably don't care but I'm glad gamers came together against the bug and network issues.

It's actually hard for me not to buy a lot of games that I like. I feel a lot of people don't understand me.much in this thread. If I don't buy games that is pretty surprising.




I have a feeling we will run into hackers showing us most the Ps2 library running and looking good on ps4 in the future.

I know I don't know what it takes to run or what work was put it. But some of you are acting like it's a grand undertaking and warrants costs.
I feel either is possible and I admit to not knowing. But Sony goes for cheap on most things
 
The market allows them to price the games at the point Sony and the Publishers decide, and if they don't sell well they can lower that price.

Complaining about the price of these games won't effect their decision.

Buying them or not buying them will.

If the complaint affects others' decisions or Sony values that customer, it will change pricing.

For example, each time I enter a cell phone contract or change my internet package, I complain about service, threaten to use their competitor, then get bumped to their loyalty team and get money knocked off my monthly bill for the duration of the contract. It seems to be a common practice from people I have talked to.
 
Probably, judging by what we have so far on psn.
I wonder how much it costs to get these games on psn, and why they(pubs) don't seem to interested. From the outside, it looks like easy money.

They probably don't sell very well in all honesty. Most people don't give a shit about BC or emulated PS2 games.
 
Ok. Lets take a minute and breathe. I think some of you guys are taking offense to OP's original post. While not 100% correct i think he has a small point.

Lets break it down the best we can (please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong)

Xbox One gave us something that I personally didn't think was possible. PPC architecture based games on a modern x86 console. Yes some of the games aren't 100%, some have frame issues. But it's something. Kinda how we got OG Xbox games on the 360.. we have jumped leaps and bounds tech wise and frankly MS did something amazing.

But ok this is one generation back and MS did it.

PS3 originally did it with true hardware compatibility, but that got expensive and frankly Sony slowly backpedaled and dropped hardware and did some with emulation then none. But this was all done with original discs. I think thats one of the key stabbings.

Sony has been very good with cross buy for a few pieces if hardware. PS1 games on PSN work on 3 different machines PSP, Vita, PS3. That alone is amazing and down right the correct way.

Sony this time around said, we need to make money again and instead of opening the flood gate, said.. "lets try this streaming thing" but instead of doing it cheap they chose a supplemental membership (all you can play) for 20 bucks a month, the game rental and price is awful.

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So i know i'm just recanting what everyone knows, but I think the frustration is.. Sony is stalling. They are stalling to get some return on PS Now. I think they know it's not the winning idea they thought it was and want to find a way to monetize it.

I keep hearing that "enhancements and trophy support isn't cheap" and they are right. Xbox One doesn't have to deal with that as they are emulating a system that had achivements. PS2 didn't have those features. Now graphics is not.. a hard thing. The emulator is just applying smoothing and up res. But nothing extra. (as per the reviews of the SW titles out now)

I think the pain here is paying for something people might already own. But as a Nintendo fan we have been dealing with this garbage for many systems. 3DS, Wii, and now Wii U. They haven't gotten it right. I can't just plug in my copy of OoT and get a discount. Its annoying.

I think this is all going to be a trial by fire. I think Sony should meet the fans half way and while they can do this 15 bucks a title for PS2, they should flip the damn switch on PS1 games and PSP games and really start to flex their backlog.. because sad to say, MS is embracing it's past and empowering the gamers.. and Sony who walked into this console war with the good graces as being the higher gamer morals, is kinda staying stagnant. While MS has updated the GUI of the system, added external HDDs, and now backwards compatibility.

TL;DR - I think Sony is reeling at the PS Now backlash and trying to find a way to monitize it's backlog.. but it's stepping on the toes of it's loyal fan base that has already bought the same games many times.
 
PS2 on PS4 is a fiasco. That said, Rare Replay is pretty much crap. 720p games... now in 720p. Wheeeeeee

That's not what rare replay is about though is it?

It's about a fantastic selection of excellent games for a ridiculously low price.

But let's face it your post wasn't even really about rare replay it was about shitting on the Xbox.
 
If the complaint affects others' decisions or Sony values that customer, it will change pricing.

For example, each time I enter a cell phone contract or change my internet package, I complain about service, threaten to use their competitor, then get bumped to their loyalty team and get money knocked off my monthly bill for the duration of the contract. It seems to be a common practice from people I have talked to.

Your comparing the situation to a one-on-one contract where you have the power to negotiate the price.

This isn't the case here.
 
If the complaint affects others' decisions or Sony values that customer, it will change pricing.

For example, each time I enter a cell phone contract or change my internet package, I complain about service, threaten to use their competitor, then get bumped to their loyalty team and get money knocked off my monthly bill for the duration of the contract. It seems to be a common practice from people I have talked to.

Isn't this a false equivalency? Just because one tactic works for one situation doesn't automatically mean it will work for another.

Voting with your wallets is the most viable solution to show Sony if the prices are too high or not.
 
A certain element of people finally have a legitimate gripe to harp on. If all the "holiday exclusives" posts and threads are anything to go by expect this to be a constant thing.

Not to say there's nothing to harp about. There certainly is. But it will be made into a much bigger deal than it actually is.

Exactly. It annoying because no one is (excuse my french) forced to buy shit. First its PS3 games, now its PS2 games? Screw that...It's so damn immature to me.

This is a fact. We will not have EVERY thing. Point blank period.

These threads are just crying about a feature that at this point in time, is nothing more than an addition to a current system they currently have and instead of being happy with it for at least having the option because Sony is really not obligated to do this, instead we have a bunch of thread bitching over and over again that it's not "true" BC or games are too expensive, etc etc.

Then don't buy them. It's like pick and choose your battles. It either you want to have it or you have none.

Don't get me wrong, I'm cool with people voicing their concerns and this isn't about censorship. It's just that every time an inch is made, gamers do the most in their powers to make it sound like these options are a whole country mile backwards and it's really not.

Some people will never be happy. Cool, but this doesn't change that they are doing the most to bring these back in a more modern way and let it be so. I've had to take a break from the gaming side because it's like damn....really guys?
 
That original post is garbage. They offered a service that cost them time and money to put together, they don't owe you anything.

I bought games to play on my 360, playing them on One for free is a great bonus but if they charged to buy games because they couldn't play then I'd have understood.

Gamer entitlement. Shrug
 
Problem solved. They aren't going to care about what you say in these forums. Speak with your wallet.

Having a loud voice can make a difference in tandem with voting with your wallet, worked for the Deus Ex augment your pre-order bullshit, MS got a shit load of pressure from the Xbox One reveal and buckled.

That said PS2 classics uprezzed with trophy support... I can't imagine many pitchforks will be picked up for this motion, even though the incompatibility is understandable on one level yet bullshit regardless.
 
I keep hearing that "enhancements and trophy support isn't cheap" and they are right. Xbox One doesn't have to deal with that as they are emulating a system that had achivements. PS2 didn't have those features. Now graphics is not.. a hard thing. The emulator is just applying smoothing and up res. But nothing extra. (as per the reviews of the SW titles out now)

Actually in some of the SW titles it's actually redrawing the polygons with better details. They are actually doing more then just upres and smoothing. I don't think they are scrambling with PSnow floundering since they don't offer PS1/PS2 games on there. Also the architecture differences between the 360 and PS3 are actually pretty crazy and renders PS3 emulation kind of impossible on the current gen consoles. Also I think the use of an AMD GPU in the 360 helped them with the emulation software.
 
Ok, I am confused. Is this thread about Sony charging for PS2 games, Sony charging different prices for PS2 games, Sony charging for VR titles, Sony losing potential sales because of the way they have implemented PS2 BC, Sony losing your PS Plus Subscription, or Rare Replay offering more value?



I dont know what this thread is about any more. You have turned Rare Replay vs PS2 BC, into a thread full of fuck Sony for everything.
Just how it starts. These practices have started with online, psnow pricing. What should we expect? Good guy Sony, or higher prices.
 
That original post is garbage. They offered a service that cost them time and money to put together, they don't owe you anything.

I bought games to play on my 360, playing them on One for free is a great bonus but if they charged to buy games because they couldn't play then I'd have understood.

Gamer entitlement. Shrug

Hey now! Rare Replay gives me all the Rare titles I already own for free!! Take that Sony!
 
Your comparing the situation to a one-on-one contract where you have the power to negotiate the price.

This isn't the case here.

I was responding to a point about the futility of complaining.

This thread is a case of complaining to try to influence others' opinions. So "don't buy it then" misses the point.
 
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