Religious circumcision of kids a crime -German court

[Cereal KiIIer]

A German court has ruled that parents can’t have their sons circumcised on religious grounds in a move which has angered Muslim and Jewish groups in the country.

The court in Cologne decided that a legal guardian’s authority over a child does not allow them to subject them to the procedure, which the court called minor bodily harm, reports The Financial Times Deutschland

http://www.rt.com/news/germany-religious-circumcision-ban-772/

 

[Earthstrike]

God I'm starting to love germany.

 

[Flo_Evans]

good.

 

[CrudeDiatribe]

Fantastic news!

In before 'dick cheese'.

 

[kehs]

.....angered Muslim and Jewish groups in the country.

Finally something they can agree on.

 

[Jokergrin]

progress

 

[Tacitus_]

Good. Norway and Germany leading the way.

 

[Hoo-doo]

 

[JGS]

Back alley circumcisions ftw.

 

[johnsmith]

Germany does something anti-Semitic, GAF cheers them on.

 

[Raist]

Germany does something anti-stupid, GAF cheers them on.

Fixed.

 

[mugurumakensei]

Eh, I'm not sure I agree with this. The best time to circumsize is when they're an infant/toddler.

 

[Hix]

Won't happen, High Court will over-turn it.

 

[archnemesis]

Good! Circumcision without consent shouldn't be allowed anywhere.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Back alley circumcisions ftw.

I fear that may be the short term solution for some. Hopefully it starts a dialogue and the religious folk can understand or at least discuss how harmful this ritual is to children.

 

[John Dunbar]

Eh, I'm not sure I agree with this. The best time to circumsize is when they're an infant/toddler.

no, the best time is never.

 

[shadyspace]

But God says I need to cut pieces off of my child.

 

[ThaneKrios]

Awesome. Hopefully others countries will do the same.

 

[Raist]

Back alley circumcisions ftw.

I'm wondering though, how many circumcisions (for religious reasons) are actually happening in hospitals?

 

[Hartt951]

I fear that may be the short term solution for some. Hopefully it starts a dialogue and the religious folk can understand or at least discuss how harmful this ritual is to children.

How is it harmful?

 

[whitehawk]

Good on Germany. They are the first to start this trend it seems. One day circumcision will be illegal in the majority of countries. We will look back at circumcision and wonder what the fuck people were thinking. Kids will read it in history texts books and ask the teacher "did people actually do this?"

 

[Pezking]

This is good!
I'm pretty proud of my country right now!

Can't imagine my life without my foreskin...makes fapping so much easier!

 

[mugurumakensei]

no, the best time is never.

Sure, if you want to be more at risk for penis cancer, hpv, and other diseases.

 

[Slayer-33]

Thank god!

 

[IceCold]

Sure, if you want to be more at risk for penis cancer, hpv, and other diseases.

And here we go...

*gets pop corn*

 

[NekoFever]

Eh, I'm not sure I agree with this. The best time to circumsize is when they're an infant/toddler.

When they can't do anything about it?

 

[demon]

Good. And I'm cut. It's just such an asinine tradition, and to do it when the boy has no say in the matter is just wrong. It's time to end it.

 

[LCGeek]

At least this court has enough sense to call this shit for what it is.

 

[SolsticeZero]

I can see where they're coming from, but I love my wing-wang without its hat. I would have my wing-wang no other way! As long as it's still a choice for adults, that's all that matters to me.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Cue 50 page thread, only this time with more allegations of antisemitism.

 

[Rhomega Beta]

So what about God's covenant with Abraham?

 

[Funky Papa]

Sure, if you want to be more at risk for penis cancer, hpv, and other diseases.

That's what condoms are for.

If you are going raw because you think that your thickened epithelium is going to keep you safe from all kind of venereal nasties... well, you could do us all a favour and stop fucking around.

 

[The_Hitcher89]

Sure, if you want to be more at risk for penis cancer, hpv, and other diseases.

Appendectomys for babies. For or against?

 

[Binabik15]

When they can't do anything about it?

When parents can pretend that the non-stop screaming after getting a piece of a strongly innervated and well supplied with blood is just a baby being a little baby, not screams of pain.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

What if its non religious circumcision

 

[Hartt951]

That's what condoms are for.

If you are going raw because you think that your thickened epithelium is going to keep you safe from all kind of venereal nasties... well, you could do us all a favour and stop fucking around.

There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:

A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.

http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision

 

[JGS]

I'm wondering though, how many circumcisions (for religious reasons) are actually happening in hospitals?

They definitely don't have to be. There are usually enough people trained to do it amongst religious groups. Others would likely prefer them happening in a hospital though.

Assuming Christians don't circumcise & other groups don't circumcise in Germany as the norm, the law isn't really going to change a religious requirement no matter how hard they try.

What's really stupid is from the article, they are basing the law on an accident. No procedures should be allowed at all if it's due to a doctor error.

Interesting part of the article:

The decision sets a precedent, which may affect medical practice across the country.

The possible ban on circumcision provoked outrage among Jewish and Muslim organizations in Germany, where every year thousands of boys are circumcised in their early years at the request of parents. They regard the ban as a "serious interference in the right to freedom of religion." But none of the organizations so far has commented on the verdict, explaining they first need to study thoroughly the reasoning of the judges.

Some experts however don’t rule out that the right for religiously motivated circumcision will be considered by the Federal Constitutional Court.

At least this court has enough sense to call this shit for what it is.

Yup, minor bodily harm...

 

[Jokergrin]

How is it harmful?

Yeah good point.

Hey btw is it cool with you if I come over and cut off other parts of your baby that wont do any 'harm'? I'll start with the ear lobes.

 

[whitehawk]

What if its non religious circumcision

Banned as well. If you need a circumcision for medical reasons, let the son decide when he's 18.

 

[Link]

*shrug*

I'm glad I'm circumsized.

 

[Brian Griffin]

My wife and I both love my cut wang, but I put my foot down against circumcision if our baby turned out to be a boy. Luckily we are having a girl so the argument is moot.

This is awesome of Germany.

 

[twobear]

First they came for the circumcisions, but I did not care, for I was not a foreskin...

 

[Funky Papa]

http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision

What about you read my post the next time.

 

[mugurumakensei]

When they can't do anything about it?

When their body is in a growth spurt and heals faster. 0 - 3, 7-9, and 12-16 are when your body heals best. Of those stages, the least amount of pain you'll remember is in the infant stages.

 

[KillGore]

This is good!
I'm pretty proud of my country right now!

Can't imagine my life without my foreskin...makes fapping so much easier!

I can't imagine my life with a foreskin and I fap everyday

Seriously, let's all be happy we have a penis and not argue about such things (not saying you are, but others are)

Edit: Also, I hope those going against circumcision are also against ear piercings for girls.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Sure, if you want to be more at risk for penis cancer, hpv, and other diseases.

The risk isn't statistically significant enough for nationwide bodies representing doctors to recommend the practice as a method of prevention. The ritual is done largely because of a covenant with a magical invisible skyfather.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

How is it harmful?

You're lobbing off a piece of the penis....is the harm not obvious? There are also numerous men who suffer from it long into their lives through lack of sensitivity, it can also make it more difficult to masturbate and can increase the chances of ED. It potentially lowers quality of life in regards to sexual pleasure, pretty harmful imo.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

The cut penis is the better penis.

 

[Hartt951]

Yeah good point.

Hey btw is it cool with you if I come over and cut off other parts of your baby that wont do any 'harm'? I'll start with the ear lobes.

That's a bullshit analogy. If a parents wants to circumcise their child it's their own choice.

Foreskin doesn't do shit and has medical benefits to getting it removed.

This whole debate is like getting appalled at having your tonsils removed.

 

[Jokergrin]

http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision

From the same link:

Is circumcision necessary?

The use of circumcision for medical or health reasons is an issue that continues to be debated. Currently, the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend routine circumcision for newborn males stating the evidence was not significant enough to prove the operation's benefit. The procedure may be recommended in older boys and men to treat phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) or to treat an infection of the penis.

Parents should talk with their doctor about the benefits and risks of the procedure before making a decision regarding circumcision of a male child. Other factors, such as your culture, religion, and personal preference, will also impact your decision.

Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections.