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Report: Meta Actively Testing PC VR Cloud Gaming for Quest (Rejoice quest users) (RoadtoVR)

kingfey

Banned
https://www.roadtovr.com/report-meta-quest-pc-vr-cloud-gaming-test/

Meta may be ramping up internal testing for its own first-party cloud gaming service which could let its latest standalone VR headset, Quest 2, play PC VR games without needing your own VR-ready computer.

Mention of the ‘Avalanche’ cloud PC VR streaming function was allegedly uncovered in v24 of the Quest firmware, which released in late 2020. It wasn’t until this April that data miner and Reddit user ‘Samulia’ dug into the firmware to find the following string, as reported by Tech analyst and YouTuber Brad Lynch:

AVALANCHE_CLOUD_GAMING_INFRA_ENABLED (“oculus_systemux:eek:culus_avalanche_cloud_gaming_infra_enabled”)
Samulia is also known for having extracted the Meta logo before it was officially unveiled in February, and a host of info scraped from successive firmware releases alluding to the company’s next VR headset, Project Cambria.

Lynch, known for the YouTube channel SadlyItsBradley, now alleges to have discussed the cloud PC VR streaming with someone who managed to gain access, and was able to remotely play a game of Asgard’s Wrath (2020), an Oculus PC exclusive, on Quest 2.


The screenshot above shows the in-headset Quest UI sporting a feature ostensibly inaccessible to normal users, with a launch button inside the ‘Experimental Features’ section that says: “Enable Avalanche (Alpha) – Start an Avalanche session”.

Furthermore, Lynch says that according to the user, the quality was “not very good,” although this might be chalked up to the fact that they’re based in United Kingdom and had to connect to a PC in the United States.

We’re unable to verify the authenticity of that information, however Meta may be carving out its own exclusive nook for Quest cloud gaming. In the past, Meta has taken steps to disallow cloud gaming apps from both its official Quest Store and App Lab, Meta’s app outlet featuring less stringent content submission guidelines. You can only download third-party cloud gaming services, like PlutoSphere, through sideloading tools such as SideQuest.

This might suggest Meta is currently looking to make its own PC VR cloud gaming service, much like it’s done in the past with its own flatscreen cloud gaming over the last two years. Notably, the flatscreen cloud gaming project is currently headed by former Oculus exec Jason Rubin, who is acutely aware of the inherent limitations of standalone headsets when it comes to packing in high-quality content. As of July 2021, Rubin also now heads all gaming content at Meta, including AR/VR production and Instant and Cloud Play Platform inside the Facebook app.

In an quarterly earnings in late 2020, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg addressed the intersection of Facebook’s cloud gaming and VR initiatives:

“Over the longer term, I think the VR piece will obviously come into [our gaming strategy] as well. Some of the cloud gaming stuff that we’re doing will, of course, be useful for VR as well, and we’re building a big community around that on Oculus. But [our cloud gaming service]… I do think will be a very exciting growth opportunity and ability to offer a lot of innovation over the coming years,” Zuckerberg said.

We’re hoping to learn more about Meta’s VR cloud gaming plans as well as its first upcoming mixed reality headset, Project Cambria, at the company’s annual Connect conference later in the year.
 
VR is in such a weird place. The hardware is there and getting better and better each year, but software is lagging behind hard. Not enough quality content is coming out which drowns out any hype for new hardware. That and the physical limitations of performance and bandwidth really put a hamper on my expectations for future growth in the medium. Such a shame.
 

Spyxos

Member
I love my Rift S, but after Half-Life: Alyx and Lone Echo 2 there is absolutely nothing that i want to play...
 

CrustyBritches

Gold Member
Good way of keeping the Quest 2 relevant even after newer iterations release. They'll need a lot of datacenters and powerful enough hardware to run 120-240Hz server side frame rate to keep latency down.
 

Romulus

Member
VR is in such a weird place. The hardware is there and getting better and better each year, but software is lagging behind hard. Not enough quality content is coming out which drowns out any hype for new hardware. That and the physical limitations of performance and bandwidth really put a hamper on my expectations for future growth in the medium. Such a shame.


Mods have made it better for me. The quality of mods and being able to play stuff like RE3 and RDR2 is amazing.
 

reksveks

Member
Sure I have seen/heard this idea before from Phil Spencer but might be going crazy.
Thinking of the following which isn't the same really

“As it relates to VR specifically, the best experience that I’ve seen is Quest 2. And I just think its untethered ease of use in its capability just doesn’t to me require it being connected to an Xbox in any way,” Spencer said. “So when I look at a scenario like that, I think of XCloud, I think of the Xbox Live community, I think of other things of how could we bring content to a screen like that.

https://uploadvr.com/phil-spencer-quest-2/

I might have misunderstood it to this thing that Meta is doing.
 
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MikeM

Member
“Cloud gaming…”

Me:

Stephen A Smith Eye Roll GIF by ESPN
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
It make sense tho, when you listen to early Carmack VR speeches, how he talks about how it takes less time to contact someone on the other side of the world than show stuff on screen from GPU (already rended frame)
 

CrustyBritches

Gold Member
Last year when I still had ShadowPC I didn't some VR streaming vids...

^I had to lower the settings and disable the background lighting in Beat Saber to get good enough latency and eliminate macroblocking in order to get a good Ex+ experience.

^Forgive this gameplay, I was using a mini MOGA controller connected via BT and I had exclusively played on Wolverine Ultimate pad with back buttons for Eternal on PC.

Worked surprising well compared to what you might expect.

Cas and Cherry VR did a video just today where she didn't have to disable background/stage lighting. Covered ShadowPC and PlutoVR. I had never heard of PlutoVR so I signed up and hopefully will try it out this weekend.

The future is now.
 
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rofif

Gold Member
airlinkis terrible and we need real PC VR again.
It's a huge shame they are no selling Rift S again.
In fact, CV1 had fantastic comfort, oled and headphones (best ever in vr still I think, it was koss 60ohm driver). Rift S had the ease of connection and fantastic tracking.
All we ever needed was combination of cv1 and rift S.
Quests are such a hassle to use with pc
 
I would much rather prefer they open up and let us use our PC's to render via cable/wifi the same way SteamVR works now with the oculus only apps. Nobody wins with any exclusive shit in the market right now and it needs to grow with open standards to gather more users. It's a really fun tech when applied right and needs more people to see it and have fun with it.
 

Goalus

Member
Cloud VR sounds like a horrible experience.
If VR glasses are supposed to shrink in size, cloud VR is inevitable.
Good on Meta to have recognized that, it will only benefit them in the long run if they are building the technology this early.
 

CrustyBritches

Gold Member
airlinkis terrible and we need real PC VR again.
It's a huge shame they are no selling Rift S again.
In fact, CV1 had fantastic comfort, oled and headphones (best ever in vr still I think, it was koss 60ohm driver). Rift S had the ease of connection and fantastic tracking.
All we ever needed was combination of cv1 and rift S.
Quests are such a hassle to use with pc
Quest 2 takes 10min to setup on PC. Wireless works fantastic on Quest 2+PC. Maybe you should troubleshoot your network.
 

rofif

Gold Member
Quest 2 takes 10min to setup on PC. Wireless works fantastic on Quest 2+PC. Maybe you should troubleshoot your network.
it's not me. My friend. When I had quest 1 it worked good with vr desktop.
He uses quest 2, 3080pc and so on, wifi6 400$ routers or even usb link... but he plays simracing. So it is really demanding for bitrate.
But generally the problems are there. It's quest software running on steam software or openvr. It's a crapshoot more than not.
REcently he wanted to show me some iracing and it just ran at 15fps while day before he had great fps. turns out oculus software got some bug
 

CrustyBritches

Gold Member
it's not me. My friend. When I had quest 1 it worked good with vr desktop.
He uses quest 2, 3080pc and so on, wifi6 400$ routers or even usb link... but he plays simracing. So it is really demanding for bitrate.
But generally the problems are there. It's quest software running on steam software or openvr. It's a crapshoot more than not.
REcently he wanted to show me some iracing and it just ran at 15fps while day before he had great fps. turns out oculus software got some bug
Yeah, I find Virtual Desktop to be better than Air Link.

So for iRacing with bugged software it doesn't work good. That's a very specific circumstance. Just use a cable for iRacing. Seems like an easy fix.
Do you still have to have a PC for Meta? My son keeps asking for one but I really don’t want another PC. Thanks
Quest 2 is standalone, but you can also connect it to a PC for PCVR.
 
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RoadHazard

Gold Member
I don't understand how that could work with acceptable latency (which needs to be EXTREMELY low for VR to work well).
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
Really wanna try Resident Evil 4 VR and Half Life Alyx can you play then on a Meta Quest 2?

RE4VR is ONLY on Quest 2, there's no PC version. So yes. Alyx on the other hand is only on PC. It can be streamed to a Quest 2 if you have a good PC and good enough WiFi (or you want to deal with a cable). It can't be played natively on the Quest.
 

kingfey

Banned
I don't understand how that could work with acceptable latency (which needs to be EXTREMELY low for VR to work well).
Games are more important right now than latency. Latency can be fixed later, but without games, it would end up like stadia.

Also isnt VR at infancy? People can tolerate these issues, unlike consoles/pc.
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
Games are more important right now than latency. Latency can be fixed later, but without games, it would end up like stadia.

Also isnt VR at infancy? People can tolerate these issues, unlike consoles/pc.

VR with high latency would put people right off it, it would be an awful experience. So I completely disagree.
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
Considering what VR has, Does that really offer a bad experience?

I don't understand the question. Any perceptible delay kills immersion, and often makes people sick (because what they're seeing doesn't match what their other senses tell them). So yes, that would be an awful experience, even if the games themselves were better. Current VR is great with very low latency, and there already are a lot of great VR games (just very few high budget AAA games).
 

CrustyBritches

Gold Member
Just tried out PlutoVR. I couldn't get the Sideloaded native client to work, so I used Virtual Desktop. Played pretty good. There were a occasional hitches, but Beat Saber at Ex+ is a hard test for a VR streaming service.
 
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