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Even though it won't fully pass.
Why do you want this?
How's the electoral college system in Canada work? I need a reminder.
Why do you want this?
Getting rid of the electoral college will let cities decide who the president is. No reason to campaign in rural areas at all causing a massive divide. The electoral college is genius.Nobody's vote should count for more or less than anyone elses.
You know, honestly the extra weight given small states in the EC is fucking trivial and not the problem. Let them have it. That's why I support splitting votes proportionally.Nobody's vote should count for more or less than anyone elses.
You have confused the EC for the Senate. The EC only favors swing states, it doesn't favor rural or urban populations inherently.Getting rid of the electoral college will let cities decide who the president is. No reason to campaign in rural areas at all causing a massive divide. The electoral college is genius.
Getting rid of the electoral college will let cities decide who the president is.
Swing states change over time and without the EC the swings states wouldn’t mean shit. Most would be fly over states that no one would worry about campaigning in. The system is not perfect but it prevents a few mega cities from deciding the direction of the whole country.You have confused the EC for the Senate. The EC only favors swing states, it doesn't favor rural or urban populations inherently.
This silly "Founding fathers designed the EC to protect the rural vote from the big bad cities" is literally a talking point made up in 2016 and emailed to conservative pundits to repeat ad nauseum, but that's 100% fictional. The EC was designed as a safeguard against the dumb plebs electing a huckster, and then over time evolved into a vestigal procedural formality.
Until 2000 eliminating it was popular on both sides of the aisle, but since it tilted two elections in the Republicans favor, they've all become convinced that it's there to help them, despite the fact that it favored Obama twice.
Can you explain to me the difference between a direct democracy and a constitutional republic?Nobody's vote should count for more or less than anyone elses.
Most people are dumb and our forefathers knew this. They never wanted us to be a direct democracy because they were worried the masses would end up voting for things not good for them in the long run.Everyone’s vote would be equal.
It would let... the majority, decide.
Strange concept.
We still have the senate which gives States all equal power in the most important votes inside of congress as nothing can be passed without them.
That does not make a lick of sense.Most people are dumb and our forefathers knew this. They never wanted us to be a direct democracy because they were worried the masses would end up voting for things not good for them in the long run.
It's smart.That does not make a lick of sense.
They don’t want the masses deciding so give people living in the least populated states the greatest say in the presidency?
You know, honestly the extra weight given small states in the EC is fucking trivial and not the problem. Let them have it. That's why I support splitting votes proportionally.
The real problem with the EC is that states themselves are winner-take-all, which puts all the emphasis on a handful of swing states, and marginalizes most of the country from an electoral standpoint. And it can lead to wild arbitrary swings in terms of which party it favors and get way out of line with the way the country is leaning, as we saw in the 2016.
Does it really though? Every vote counts to that state and the winner of the state gets the EC points. If the EC is removed you will see presidents only campaigning in the biggest cities or near them and good luck with the GOP securing those lmao.Nobody's vote should count for more or less than anyone elses.
I support this and hope it happens. This can make populist candidates more of a viability. No more focusing on a few states. Get the vote of the people! Hopefully this can begin getting us out of this two-party system too. I know there are other parties, but none of them have the national stage like current Dems/GOP.
They don't have the votes for neitherWell we knew this shit was coming.
Prepare for efforts to pack the courts.
Slightly weighting the votes in favor of less populous states incentivizes those states to stay in the Union.
Campaigning looks very different without EC. With ~70% of America living in areas classified as urban, it’s a straightforward turn ‘em out game; the smart strategy will be to cater your platform entirely to the 70% and efficiently spend all your time where all the votes are concentrated. Just go to all the high-density deep blue areas and turn ‘em out. Candidates who waste time and resources and platform space feigning interest in rural populations will be beaten every time by the candidate who simply does the smart and efficient thing.
EC moving power to swing states is a feature, not a bug. EC means that candidates spend less time doubling down on preaching to the choir with unbalanced messaging, and more time on working on a platform inclusive enough to capture “purple” states. It leads to more balanced candidates that need to speak and appeal to a more diverse audience. Candidates selling states that are already sold to drive up the margins will lead to agendas that leave a lot of regions out. If PA’s purple, Biden would do better to hang out in NY and CA for 6 months to take a 62-38 margin to 75-25 with heavy turnout than work on eking out votes from skeptical folks in a bunch of random PA counties.
Hell Trump was in strong support of getting rid of it aswell.You have confused the EC for the Senate. The EC only favors swing states, it doesn't favor rural or urban populations inherently.
This silly "Founding fathers designed the EC to protect the rural vote from the big bad cities" is literally a talking point made up in 2016 and emailed to conservative pundits to repeat ad nauseum, but that's 100% fictional. The EC was designed as a safeguard against the dumb plebs electing a huckster, and then over time evolved into a vestigal procedural formality.
Until 2000 eliminating it was popular on both sides of the aisle, but since it tilted two elections in the Republicans favor, they've all become convinced that it's there to help them, despite the fact that it favored Obama twice.
They don't have the votes for neither
Nobody, if they think it is worth their time until 2022, go for it.How is that going to stop them from attempting it regardless?
Nobody, if they think it is worth their time until 2022, go for it.
The people who think there shouldn't be an electoral college would think there does need to be one if their preferred political party didn't have a deathgrip on New York and California. That's what makes these kinds of people pointless to pay attention to.
What political statement would be making though?They probably think food magically appears at the supermarkets too.
I was talking to a friend of mine who is a farmer about the possibility of destroying crops as a political statement to disrupt food supply. I don't think people realize how delicate our food supply chain really is and you wouldn't need all farmers. Just enough and the supply chain will be overwhelmed.
I wonder what kind of chaos would occur in these wonderful cities.![]()
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You do realize California, Texas and Florida produce the most in agriculture all could be turning blue in the near future.They probably think food magically appears at the supermarkets too.
I was talking to a friend of mine who is a farmer about the possibility of destroying crops as a political statement to disrupt food supply. I don't think people realize how delicate our food supply chain really is and you wouldn't need all farmers. Just enough and the supply chain will be overwhelmed.
I wonder what kind of chaos would occur in these wonderful cities.![]()
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You do realize California, Texas and Florida produce the most in agriculture all could be turning blue in the near future.
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California ranks No. 1 in agricultural sales with $45.2B - Vegetable Growers News
In U.S. agriculture, California is clearly the MVP in sales. According to the 2017 Census of Agriculture, California’s 70,521 farms ranked No. 1 in agricultural sales with $45.2 billion; this accounted for nearly 12 percent of the U.S. total and was over $16 billion more than the No. 2 state. In...vegetablegrowersnews.com
Rule by majority is just another word for rule by tyranny and dystopia
Slightly weighting the votes in favor of less populous states incentivizes those states to stay in the Union.
Campaigning looks very different without EC. With ~70% of America living in areas classified as urban, it’s a straightforward turn ‘em out game; the smart strategy will be to cater your platform entirely to the 70% and efficiently spend all your time where all the votes are concentrated. Just go to all the high-density deep blue areas and turn ‘em out. Candidates who waste time and resources and platform space feigning interest in rural populations will be beaten every time by the candidate who simply does the smart and efficient thing.
EC moving power to swing states is a feature, not a bug. EC means that candidates spend less time doubling down on preaching to the choir with unbalanced messaging, and more time on working on a platform inclusive enough to capture “purple” states. It leads to more balanced candidates that need to speak and appeal to a more diverse audience. Candidates selling states that are already sold to drive up the margins will lead to agendas that leave a lot of regions out. If PA’s purple, Biden would do better to hang out in NY and CA for 6 months to take a 62-38 margin to 75-25 with heavy turnout than work on eking out votes from skeptical folks in a bunch of random PA counties.
Ummm...you do realize that the EC was formed precisely to avoid the "focusing on a few states" scenario you mentioned, right? Without the EC, candidates could focus strictly on the large cities (which usually are democratic anyway) and win an election, without ever addressing the needs/concerns of folks in other states.
What the US needs IMHO is more than 2 party. 4 would be a start. And remove the president direct election and make them a coalition representative (like Germany for example)
No Electoral College = California always wins.
Democrats will hold power forever. Anyone with eyes should see this.
Pretty easy to see why they want to eliminate the electoral college, how else would the blue be able to dominate the red. It was put in place specifically so small centers of power wouldn't decide everything for such a vast country.
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