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Restera's thread on what to do about businesses impacted by COVID-19 is a horror show

Zangiefy360

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It's been awhile since I've made a thread about what our mentally deficient cousins think about something. This time the OP asked a very fair question, "What would you do about businesses about to collapse?" He references theme parks, movie theaters, and small businesses as being effected. Of course 88% of businesses employ less than 20 people, so these are the businesses that are most impacted by the deteriorating economy.

"Will somebody, PLEASE think of the corporations?"
-DGenerator, who clearly doesn't understand that the majority of businesses that are hurting most are owned by people like his neighbors, parents, or siblings.

"If they're essential to the function of the country, nationalize them. Since we're talking about places that were closed, this is basically none of them. If they're not essential to the function of the country, let them fail and provide cash payments to the workers who lost their jobs."
-LudicrousSpeed, who must have gotten his PHD after writing about the impact of nationalizing the Tex-Mex restaurant on the corner.

"Done and done."
-Zoggy, aggreeing with LudicrousSpeed, no word on if Zoggy has special needs or not, but it's a fair assumption.

"We bail them out. It's just that fucking simple. We're fooled into believe that money is tight and we're just scrapping by but the moment banks are in danger, the story changes. Small business would cost significantly less than what we've spent to save busted ass financial institutions."
- Video Games Are Dumb, who at least has some concept of reality, but attended one too many Occupy protests in his prime and keeps reliving those moments.

" The problem with the "let them collapse" model is that either way, the working class are getting screwed while the rich walk away with more money. What needs to happen is for the rich to be forced to be the ones to pay the price to sustain their business."
- Veelk, probably held Video Games Are Dumb's hand during the protests, but was too shy to make his own presence known.

"fuck businesses!!!!!!!!"
- Darth Walden, who probably still has his Flesh Light on while making this post.

"There are no easy answers going forward. But, we should be doing what saves the most lives."
- Hero_of_the_Day, who gives a cowardly reply, because what he really means is let business die and let people lose their livelihoods.

"Hmm. What's more important, a bunch of people dying or companies profiting? How many lives are worth sacrificing at the altar of capitalism op? 10 000? 50,000? Where's the cap?"
- Fiction, who is a shut in with terrible health issues doesn't understand that most people that own companies depend on them for their own survival. Not everyone can rely on disability you know.

I haven't found a single poster with a rational, level headed reply.

So GAF, the more responsible and far more grounded forum, what would YOU do about the business that are about to collapse?
 
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All Hail C-Webb

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Many businesses are going to fail because they're no longer viable in today's climate.
Not much you can do for them besides unemployment.

Many businesses are going to fail because they took PPP loans expecting that they'd rehire their employees by June 30th. The $600 weekly addition is going to make it impossible for them to comply. The federal government needs to correct their blunder or many of these businesses will be fucked.
 
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infinitys_7th

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Thanks for directly quoting them because I refuse to use any links that directs me there.

They don’t understand most businesses are owned by small mom and pop not your giant corp.
Oh, no, they do - they just want to pull everyone down to their level and those are the closest they can grab. There are plenty of retards on Twitter saying the same things, except they all think small businesses should just go under if they could not get the stimulus loans. There is a reason the MSM has not reported on what should be a nationwide scandal of banks doing the modern equivalent of voting literacy tests with small businesses applying for loans:
  • The left (neolibs and commies) wants small businesses to die because they are "inefficient" and more difficult to pseudonationalize by intermingling management with political leaders, in the traditional fascist way. This is also why they want unemployment to pay more than wages through 2021 while giving hazard pay to essential (and ever so coincidentally corporate) employees - small businesses will lose their employees and labor pool for years and not be able to start up again.
  • The neocons want to jerk off corporations some more, so morons like Hannity think its fine that corporations like Ruth's Chris took money meant for small mom and pop stores by colluding with banks to block actual small businesses from getting approved with illegal tactics (e.g. requiring audit-level tax documentation from businesses to make sure they are "legit").
 
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Ya there on a whole different level over there, I’ll give you that. It’s like they want to stay locked down for a couple years or something. They really don’t take into account smaller businesses and the impact it has on them. I feel like I sit somewhere in the middle between GAF an era when it comes to most topics.
 
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Oh, no, they do - they just want to pull everyone down to their level and those are the closest they can grab. There are plenty of retards on Twitter saying the same things, except they all think small businesses should just go under if they could not get the stimulus loans. There is a reason the MSM has not reported on what should be a nationwide scandal of banks doing the modern equivalent of voting literacy tests with small businesses applying for loans:
  • The left (neolibs and commies) wants small businesses to die because they are "inefficient" and more difficult to pseudonationalize by intermingling management with political leaders, in the traditional fascist way. This is also why they want unemployment to pay more than wages through 2021 while giving hazard pay to essential (and ever so coincidentally corporate) employees - small businesses will lose their employees and labor pool for years and not be able to start up again.
  • The neocons want to jerk off corporations some more, so morons like Hannity think its fine that corporations like Ruth's Chris took money meant for small mom and pop stores by colluding with banks to block actual small businesses from getting approved with illegal tactics (e.g. requiring audit-level tax documentation from businesses to make sure they are "legit").
 

infinitys_7th

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Surely that’s not a real quote
To be fair, that is in context of him talking about how roads and public infrastructure help the public.

Which, of course, taxpayers - individual and business - paid for. So they still built it. He just continues the old lie that government just comes out of no where and gives people stuff and we should be grateful for it rather than it just being something we pay for. It makes them seem more benevolent.
 

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To be fair, that is in context of him talking about how roads and public infrastructure help the public.

Which, of course, taxpayers - individual and business - paid for. So they still built it. He just continues the old lie that government just comes out of no where and gives people stuff and we should be grateful for it rather than it just being something we pay for. It makes them seem more benevolent.
I was doing construction at the time. So I built it. You're fucking welcome.
 

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To be fair, that is in context of him talking about how roads and public infrastructure help the public.

Which, of course, taxpayers - individual and business - paid for. So they still built it. He just continues the old lie that government just comes out of no where and gives people stuff and we should be grateful for it rather than it just being something we pay for. It makes them seem more benevolent.
Assuming they've paid their taxes, they did build the public infrastructure. The idea that Obama is putting forth in the full context seems to be that the public built the infrastructure, but somehow the rich aren't part of the public...?
 

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Man, there is an awful lot of brave people on the right side of history over there.

They have been trying to destroy small businesses like fascist, racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, acephobic, panphobic(?) developers and content creators on nothing more than whims for years before Covid.

They were ahead of the curve of killing small businesses. And they are experts too. Who knows unemployment better than the unemployable?

We should only bail out and reward ones that agrees with the values of Era which are...

Okay, I don't know exactly what are consistent values of Era are but whatever, only bigots hold onto values and they should be rendered destitute based on internet heresay of their crimes. Good riddance. Add a fucking disclaimer infront of your review videos, you fucks.
 
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infinitys_7th

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Assuming they've paid their taxes, they did build the public infrastructure. The idea that Obama is putting forth in the full context seems to be that the public built the infrastructure, but somehow the rich aren't part of the public...?
With the "rich" being businesses and independent people in general. Yes, he meant they aren't part of the public and they owe it all to everyone else.

I was doing construction at the time. So I built it. You're fucking welcome.
Thanks!
 

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Assuming they've paid their taxes, they did build the public infrastructure. The idea that Obama is putting forth in the full context seems to be that the public built the infrastructure, but somehow the rich aren't part of the public...?
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Here might be saying that the rich, or any one business or person didnt built it by themselves. That would be a "no shit Obama". Everyone contributes and benefits from society yadda yadda.
 

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the thread justifying paying the unskilled workers staying home $600 unemployment weekly bonuses is a hoot as well
 

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Here might be saying that the rich, or any one business or person didnt built it by themselves. That would be a "no shit Obama". Everyone contributes and benefits from society yadda yadda.
But that we pay our part is the point. It's like telling people they didn't build Wal-Mart and implying that they should be bowing down towards their greatness. We give them money for a product. Government is the same way, except they can unaccountably waste money on useless shit like the Iraq War in addition to using our money along the "contract" we have with them.
 

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Resetera in general has a high number of people living off the government, whether it be SS disabilty, unemployment insurance, student loans and financial aid, etc.

Before they intentionally kill the golden goose they need to ask themselves the following questions:
1. Who funds the government that funds them?
2. What happens to the value of money when the economy produces significantly less but the supply of money grows significantly?
 
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Small business owners are not only among the hardest working people in America, but they take on some of the most personal risk, and take on personal responsibility for success and failure on a far larger scale than most.

These shit-eaters don't know anything about work, or responsibility, or sacrifice, or risk.
 

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Isn't it ironic that anti-capitalists like those in ResetEra are the biggest beneficiaries of a capitalist state? Oh I'm sure the socialist state they dream of will give them their high speed internet access, food, and right to free speech (for their side only of course) when all is said and done.

This is why I despise leftist armchair revolutionaries. They don't realize how lucky they are to be living in their safespace.
 

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Many businesses are going to fail because they're no longer viable in today's climate.
Not much you can do for them besides unemployment.

Many businesses are going to fail because they took PPP loans expecting that they'd rehire their employees by June 30th. The $600 weekly addition is going to make it impossible for them to comply. The federal government needs to correct their blunder or many of these businesses will be fucked.
I still don’t understand how it became 600 per week addition. If someone was on minimum wage wouldn’t that amount more than double their previous income? (7 x 40=280 per week) I can’t blame workers for wanting to keep that boost but hopefully there will be a modification to the boost such as just giving everyone below 60000 a round of 600 trump bucks or so. In fact it would be even more helpful to just convert that boost to trump bucks and give everyone around 5000 for two months. That will make a v shaped recovery and it should be roughly proportionate.
 
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Surely that’s not a real quote
In context he is saying that you are able to make your business thrive due to the hard work of other people in the country that provide resources or infrastructure on which you build your business. And that the beauty of the US is exactly that, hard working people that can expand and thrive on each others work, so that the country as a whole moves forward.
 
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Resetera in general has a high number of people living off the government, whether it be SS disabilty, unemployment insurance, student loans and financial aid, etc.
Amen.
Some threads there, it seems like a lot of them are disabled, 35 years old, unemployed and are very lonely because they have severe anxiety problems.
They should disconnect from the internet and join some real life community or church to get more human contacts.
They don't human well and that is very obvious sometimes.

I think they feel some safety in those kind of forums where they can engage with other broken people but it is not helping them.
Instead it is turning them further and further away from normal society and they unlearn more and more of the skills you need to interact with normal people.
I mean seriously. Should a 40 year old man drop to the floor in safeway and throw tantrums and scream because he saw a cereal box that had a picture of Trump or an american flag on it? Made up example but that is how disconnected from real life a lot of these people are and how fragile their minds are.

They don't need forums to reinforce their debilitating neurosis. They need to go out and meet with normal people. Join a church or salvation army or anything. There are lots of groups out there that will love you and help you and not judge you.
There are lots of places where people unconditionally help broken and damaged people to find a way back to normality.

Do a good deed. Bring a resetera poster to your local church group and give them support to recover.
 
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I don't want to see any businesses collapse nor any workers laid off. Bailouts are needed.
Does anyone ever get the feeling that ResetEra is enjoying this because lots of them never worked in the first place?
I agree in part. But bailouts are difficult.
A lot of the smaller businesses will be lost for a long long time because consumer confidence is down the drain.
Months ago, when confidence was high, even nieche businesses like "hand crafted scented candles" was still viable
just because confidence was high and people were not afraid of spending their discretionary income on things like that.
Those days will take decades to come back. And no amount of bailouts will make those businesses viable within the next decade(s).

What I think we do need is big programs to bring manufacturing back and the manufacturing jobs.
Get factories running, get people into them. Jobs. Produce important and strategic things domestically instead of in a hostile enemy country.

The five eye countries can start. We all share the same language, culture and value-systems. We can start and bring things back and trade with eachothers. Then over time more countries can join. But NEVER again allow strategic products like electronics, medicines, ... to be outsources to an unreliable hostile nation.
 
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I still don’t understand how it became 600 per week addition. If someone was on minimum wage wouldn’t that amount more than double their previous income? (7 x 40=280 per week) I can’t blame workers for wanting to keep that boost but hopefully there will be a modification to the boost such as just giving everyone below 60000 a round of 600 trump bucks or so. In fact it would be even more helpful to just convert that boost to trump bucks and give everyone around 5000 for two months. That will make a v shaped recovery and it should be roughly proportionate.
They're also getting regular uninsurance, so it could be more than double. There's no going back and changing that, but they need to extend the deadline for businesses to rehire their employees until after the addition runs out.

Unfortunately there's no possibility of a V recovery without a vaccine, and a vaccine can't be ready in time for a V recovery to happen. Maybe we can get a modified U recovery if there's a vaccine ready by October, but even then we won't get all the way back to where we were.
 
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In context he is saying that you are able to make your business thrive due to the hard work of other people in the country that provide resources or infrastructure on which you build your business. And that the beauty of the US is exactly that, hard working people that can expand and thrive on each others work, so that the country as a whole moves forward.
Commie undertones.
 
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I agree in part. But bailouts are difficult.
A lot of the smaller businesses will be lost for a long long time because consumer confidence is down the drain.
Months ago, when confidence was high, even nieche businesses like "hand crafted scented candles" was still viable
just because confidence was high and people were not afraid of spending their discretionary income on things like that.
Those days will take decades to come back. And no amount of bailouts will make those businesses viable within the next decade(s).

What I think we do need is big programs to bring manufacturing back and the manufacturing jobs.
Get factories running, get people into them. Jobs. Produce important and strategic things domestically instead of in a hostile enemy country.

The five eye countries can start. We all share the same language, culture and value-systems. We can start and bring things back and trade with eachothers. Then over time more countries can join. But NEVER again allow strategic products like electronics, medicines, ... to be outsources to an unreliable hostile nation.
I agree with a lot of what you've said here, but I think we can be more hopeful for the future.
If we get a vaccine this year, I think that consumer confidence will be soaring in no time. If the vaccine us developed here, we're going to be more confident than we've ever been.

I don't think that manufacturing brings back viable, long term jobs though. If we bring back manufacturing, it's got to be setup to move to automation as quickly as possible.
 
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Two places that I know of near me closed permanently, one a sandwich shop and another a little burger joint. Those are just places I went to for lunch so I would imagine that isn't even close to the amount of businesses that actually closed for good.

I really wonder if the people over at reeeee, reddit and even a few posters here and elsewhere that just give the "what's more important saving lives or businesses" argument about this sort of thing really just think of a business, especially small business, as literally just a physical building or something. "Save this building, or save this human?". It's like they completely fail to grasp that humans own these businesses and directly suffer from their failure as well as employees. Most of these people need the money from said business to survive.
 
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How about provide people with facts from experts, and provide guidance in accordance with said facts and that's it. Should've never unconstitutionally "shut down" any thing except for certain travel restrictions. I hate how much power has been handed to mayors and governors
 
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Small business owners are not only among the hardest working people in America, but they take on some of the most personal risk, and take on personal responsibility for success and failure on a far larger scale than most.

These shit-eaters don't know anything about work, or responsibility, or sacrifice, or risk.
My mom runs a business. She works pretty much all day, rarely takes a day off, and is busy from the moment she wakes up until when she falls asleep, usually with around 6 hours of sleep in between. I get tired just watching her. She's successful because she carries this business, she started it, she does the physical and mental work, she spends the money and signs the paychecks.
Sure, Obama, I'm sure she had a pretty cool algebra teacher at some point but to say she didn't build that herself is insulting.