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Retro Gamer magazine reader's top 150 games
- Thread starter Sir_Crocodile
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75) Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Really? Sonic 1 rated higher. Really?
But other than thinking Sonic 3 & Knuckles should have been way higher, or at least higher than Sonic 1, and Yoshi's Island not showing up at all it's a pretty good list. It's actually one of the better of these type of lists.
Super Mario 3 and Super Mario World have long battled for my favorite 2D Mario game.
NSMBU+NSLU surpassed those, for my personal favorite. It's a shame it had to be on the Wii U with it's tiny install base, and have the "New" prefix attached to it which basically killed most the would be hype for it.
Really? Sonic 1 rated higher. Really?
But other than thinking Sonic 3 & Knuckles should have been way higher, or at least higher than Sonic 1, and Yoshi's Island not showing up at all it's a pretty good list. It's actually one of the better of these type of lists.
Super Mario 3 and Super Mario World have long battled for my favorite 2D Mario game.
NSMBU+NSLU surpassed those, for my personal favorite. It's a shame it had to be on the Wii U with it's tiny install base, and have the "New" prefix attached to it which basically killed most the would be hype for it.
FriedConsole
Banned
Yeah the one 10 years ago is very British. I imagine their readership is more worldwide now.
TerryLee81
Member
What counts as "retro"?
Anything up to and including last generation but the look of it (Fallout 3, GTA V, etc.)
TerryLee81
Member
entremet
Member
lol.
Just as FYI, while Retro Gamer does focus on retro game and features, they do review new games.
This list isn't a Retro only list it's a best of all time list, according to their readers.
Pac-Man is a sentimental favorite of mine, with its unforgettable maze (which I can still draw by heart), cast of characters, timeless music/sound effects, intermissions, and steady, ramped-up difficulty.
However, if given the choice, I'll generally go with Ms. Pac-Man for the variety. Unless there's a speed hacked Pac-Man at the arcade. That's tons of fun.
Super Wario
Banned
Unbelievable.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
PC gaming is pretty underrepresented, especially from a retro gaming viewpoint, beyond obvious choices like Half-Life, Doom and Elite.
Edit: Eh, two Civ games and Quake are on there too. It's still pretty console-heavy, which probably reflects the writers and editors backgrounds. I would have expected something like, say, Ultima VII on there, it being a retro gaming mag. For all platforms it seems to be more of a list of "popular old games" than most GOAT lists which tend to be a bit more diverse in terms of selection.
Edit: Eh, two Civ games and Quake are on there too. It's still pretty console-heavy, which probably reflects the writers and editors backgrounds. I would have expected something like, say, Ultima VII on there, it being a retro gaming mag. For all platforms it seems to be more of a list of "popular old games" than most GOAT lists which tend to be a bit more diverse in terms of selection.
pushingrocks
Banned
I have a really hard time believing that many people even played the original Shenmue. I think theirs some bangdwaggon jumping going on with that. Otherwise cool list tho nice to see some things I've never heard of.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
You're looking for the wrong kind of PC game I think
144) Another World
138) Frontier: Elite II
136) Duke Nukem 3D
135) The Lords of Midnight
126) Flashback
123) Head over Heels
121) Civilization II
120) Cannon Fodder
119) System Shock
118) Command and Conquer Red Alert
114) Kick Off 2
112) Chaos
107) 3D Deathchase
106) Elder Scrolls III : Morrowind
105) Syndicate
104) Impossible Mission
102) Jetpac
98) Civilization IV
96) Portal 2
90) World of Warcraft
88) Quake
81) Turrican II
80) Command & Conquer
73) Elder Scrolls IV : Oblivion
65) UFO : Enemy Unknown (XCOM UFO Defence)
62) Civilization
61) Portal
59) Paradroid
56) Dungeon Master
55) Jet Set Willy
52) Star Wars : Knights of the Old Republic
51) Sensible Soccer
50) Doom II
49) Deus Ex
46) Lemmings
45) Speedball 2 : Brutal Deluxe
44) Sensible World of Soccer
39) Half Life
35) Monkey Island 2 : Lechuck's Revenge
30) Manic Miner
29) Fallout 3
21) Elite
20) Half-Life 2
19) Secret of Monkey Island
17) Elder Scrolls V : Skyrim
8) Doom
There are quite a few, but a lot are uk-centric stuff from the speccy/amiga days.
Black Mantis
Member
Digging the high placement of the Shenmue games.
I think he is meaning IBM PC (DOS, Windows) not generally personal computer. Many of the listed games are Amiga, C64 or Spectrum games.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Yeah. The IBM-PC wasn't too big in the UK until the pentium hit. Before then Amiga was much more prevalent then the pc, hence the way computer games are skewed in the poll. Stuff like Monkey Island/Monkey Island 2 are probably only on the list because they had amiga ports.
CollectedDust
Member
I love Shemnue, but common man. They are way too high in these lists likely because of Shemnue 3 (which I backed at over $100). Not hating on Shemnue, but this poll was clearly skewed.
Edit: just read the old list, very different Shemnue representation... And a very different list... Oh Internet.
Edit: just read the old list, very different Shemnue representation... And a very different list... Oh Internet.
Good to see gaffers figuring out the reasoning behind many of the inclusions/omissions. Yoshi's Island finished just outside the top 150, sadly.
Interestingly, most of the Shenmue votes came before the third game was announced. We reckon a fan group probably organised to boost the game, but couldn't find any evidence to support that theory when we looked for it.
Trust me, I counted every single one of the bloody things.
Interestingly, most of the Shenmue votes came before the third game was announced. We reckon a fan group probably organised to boost the game, but couldn't find any evidence to support that theory when we looked for it.
You know what really upset me? Shining Force made the top 100 in 2004, and didn't receive even a single vote this time.
Trust me, I counted every single one of the bloody things.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Yikes. At least not seeing Shining Force 3 S1 or Panzer Dragoon Saga making the list was understandable given I could swear they were only on shop shelves for like two weeks before they disappeared along with the saturn. But SF was released at the height of the MD glory days. :/
Btw, did you make the decision to combine the Sonic 3/S&K votes yourselves, or did people actually write in for "Sonic 3 & Knuckles"? Curious about how many people regard them as one game.
The Xtortionist
Member
Having DKC instead of DKC2 is like having Uncharted instead of Uncharted 2
why
why
Sir_Crocodile
Member
The vote wasn't limited to retro games.
SiegfriedFM
Member
Pretty good list overall. Of course, anyone can list games that should have been on there (Suikoden II and Third Strike are two of mine) but overall a bunch of great stuff.
I've played 119 of those games, including all but Streets of Rage II of the top 25. It feels like I should correct that one of these days. Defender is also a game I should play - it looked great in a Cinemassacre video.
I've played 119 of those games, including all but Streets of Rage II of the top 25. It feels like I should correct that one of these days. Defender is also a game I should play - it looked great in a Cinemassacre video.
SMW has far more imagination and better control than NSMBU. Also, nothing at all rose-colored about SMK. That game remains amazing to this day. At least you were right about one game, FFVI.
facetheslayer92
Member
Mass Effect at 149 and GTA 3 at 122. Da fuq? Pretty seminal games IMO
facetheslayer92
Member
Given the readership, I'm surprised some series were notably omitted. Possibly due to a fragmented userbase over separate consoles, see Super/Mega/Saturn Bomberman. Rock Band 3 is a funny one, too.
Also, the wrong Outrun sequel was included. Should've had Outrun 2, not C2C IMO
But it's a widespread and inclusive list, though. There's a lot on there I should add to my "must play" games list.
And no Star Control 2? That's actually a weird one.
Also, the wrong Outrun sequel was included. Should've had Outrun 2, not C2C IMO
IMO!
But it's a widespread and inclusive list, though. There's a lot on there I should add to my "must play" games list.
And no Star Control 2? That's actually a weird one.
"Retro Gamer Magazine". Multiplayer hasn't really been a significant thing except for the last 10-15 years or so. So the userbase would be a lot greater than gamers who have strictly been playing in the 2000s.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Shenmue at 3 and Shenmue II at 16? Hell yes!
no lies detected. g/s is the inferior game.
Corvo Jensen
Banned
{immediately scrolls down to the top 5 and sees Mario 64 and OOT}
They're off to a great start. Let's see what the other 145 games are.
They're off to a great start. Let's see what the other 145 games are.
This. I feel like Euro gaming history gets forgotten about. For instance, I don't know anyone who had a NES, but loads who owned a C64 or Speccy, even BBC Micros and Amstrads.. but not a NES. I knew someone who had a Master System though. Again, Mega Drive seemed to dominate in the 16 bit console wars here, but even then Amiga was a much bigger force to be reckoned with. Amiga was irresistible at the time, it did more than just play games, but the games were a fifth of the price of their console counterparts (and you could always copy them from your mates too.. naughty), but that was the era. And if you weren't gaming on your Amiga you were making music with OctaMED or drawing amazingly detailed and colourful cocks with Deluxe Paint.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
GTAV is way too high. Also, Double Dragon makes the list, but no River City Ransom?
Third Strike was edged out of the list shortly before voting closed. It's a real shame, everyone on the team loves it. Likewise, Ultra Street Fighter IV was a narrow miss.
We received votes for Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles and Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and I counted each of those three as unique entries. Neither of the individual games came close to making the top 150 but the combined game obviously did make it.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Controls? I could see an argument.
Imagination? Surely you jest.
I stand by my SMK statements. The AI completely ruins the game. "Hey, you know what would be a good idea? Let each CPU player only have one item--AND THEY CAN USE IT WHENEVER THEY WANT!!!"
I'm disappointed in my apparent lack of knowledge on pre-DOS PC games. Never even heard of Chuckie Egg, Lords of Midnight, Head over Heels, 3D Deathchase, and Paradroid. Great list though. You guys also sold me on buying some of the older copies of the magazine, that SNES/Genesis issue is mine!
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Ah, thanks.
LOM was ported to windows not long ago if you wanted to try it.
http://www.gog.com/game/the_lords_of_midnight
Nice to see Lords of Midnight and Bomb Jack in there, although advance scoring techniques makes Bomb Jack kinda shit. Shame New Zealand Story isn't on the list given Bubble Bobble and Rainbow Islands are.
Pls be a joke post
(fake) EDIT
I notice that Contra & Gradius (and possibly Rayforce) are missing which is odd considering RType is so highly placed. Likely it's to do with changing the names and rebranding of Japanese games for different regions.
Pls be a joke post
(fake) EDIT
I notice that Contra & Gradius (and possibly Rayforce) are missing which is odd considering RType is so highly placed. Likely it's to do with changing the names and rebranding of Japanese games for different regions.
dampflokfreund
Banned
Woah, there are so many Nintendo games on this list.
Of course, only OLD Nintendo games. That really shows Nintendos reputation today.
Of course, only OLD Nintendo games. That really shows Nintendos reputation today.
SliceSabre
Banned
I'm okay with Mass Effect 2 being there because Mass Effect is there.