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Rime Creative Director: "Reading Neogaf made me cry for two days"
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3 of the best games of the past number of years (Zelda, Nier, Persona 5) just came out from studios that had absolutely 0 interaction with this forum or the majority of the English language video game internet
Again, ton of times they were asked to answer these rumors or at least explain why the game disappeared for two years, and they always dodged the question. It pretty much confirms these rumors.
This has to be sarcasm. We are not even nice to each other.
Regardless of whether they were rumors or fact, they painted the game and developers in very bad light which is what everyone responded to. If Rime releases, and it turns out to be a great game, then egg on our face and egg on Sony's face for not managing the project correctly. Otherwise we don't have much else to go on for why this went in development hell for a while, and became a multi plat. They dodged all questions related to this over the last few years so I'm not sure what's people are supposed to take for the whole thing.
I agree, just pointing it was not about the price thing, neither a thing about GAF really. Shit started at Vandal forums, then spread everywhere: GAF, Reddit, FAQs... etc.
Not excusing driveby shitposting.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
If I was an employee at Gearbox and read GAF I would probably be an alcoholic.
Context added to the OP.
It was not, and as the game exists and plays and it's being previewed and it's releasing like next month, it was probably just conjecture.
I believe this all came out, followed by Sony dropping the game. It wasn't exactly a leap in logic
piratepwnsninja
Member
As a dev, yeah, it can be tough reading about something you've worked on, especially when you can't get into everything that happens over the course of development on a game, why certain decisions were made, etc. So if I do go into threads about games I've worked on, it can be frustrating when people make assumptions like they know or understand what happens in AAA dev all the times. Not liking something is totally fine. Saying what would have made something better for you is totally fine. But drive-by shitposting (which I actually think is curbed very well by the mod group here) or uninformed opinions are a bit disheartening at times. And for the record, I don't share CliffyB's opinion of GAF, either.
moltonasty
Member
"Rime [OT] The Metacritic Score Will Make You Cry for Two Days"
I hope it ends up being a good game
You dont even need latter part.
Cornbread78
Member
Everytime something/anything comes up that has anything questionable or could be perceived as questionable, NeoGAF answers the call; warrented or not...
Crankshaft
Member
Because the internet/social media age has birth a generation that has access to technology that let's you say whatever comes into your head without having any consequences.
In a face to face conversation you know basic human empathy to not be a complete dick to another person. Take that face away and replace it with a computer or phone screen, then empathy goes out the window. People don't think or don't care about what they are saying and how it will affect others.
I don't think Gaf is any better or any worse than anything else out there.
In a face to face conversation you know basic human empathy to not be a complete dick to another person. Take that face away and replace it with a computer or phone screen, then empathy goes out the window. People don't think or don't care about what they are saying and how it will affect others.
I don't think Gaf is any better or any worse than anything else out there.
I think it's just the natural balance to the unreasonable hype games get, including RIME. Level-headed discussion is bounded by unearned praise and undeserved condemnation, I just feel like the former is ignored more often.
If I think of RIME, No Man's Sky, Might yNo. 9 - the pendulum was pushed a ton on the side of positivity, and when disappointments occured it swung back on the side of negativity to a similar degree. I think people just get invested in things, and so postivity and negativity is covered in hyperbole.
Most other sites are filled with GG/MRA/transphobic/homophobic/racist/etc nonsense so I'd say Gaf has earned a little bit of "entitlement" to feel better about themselves than the other gaming communities out there. Yes, Gaf often gets a bit hyperbolic and has plenty of its own stupid shit, but most of the internet is a much worse, much more disgusting cesspool in ways that are more important and more damaging to the world than hurting some game developer's feelings because a game's future was shady.
MrS
Banned
Apart from Hello Games, which continued a scam post-launch
All that shows is that we shitted on the entire team without confirmation other than "A source told me".
Like, if the game comes out, what is going to be the excuse?
Not exactly, no. There were rumors going around that the trailers were all smoke and mirrors and a proper game never existed in the first place, then Sony suddenly stopped supporting it and going as far to give the IP to Tequila, which has never happened before.
From the dev team themselves, not from Aonuma sitting around and reading neogaf to figure out how to make Zelda
Lionel Richie
Member
This so much. The mods do the best really, but this being the internet and shit where every opinion must be dialed up to idiotic levels in order to be heard and with a lot of people being eager to show how witty and awesome they are, it's kind of a hard place to be at times. I tend to avoid Switch threads because I know most of them would frankly not be enjoyable at all.
I would still browse here anyway if I was a dev, mainly because I love videogames and I love the culture around it and also the cavemen nerds who like it as much as I do. It's all awesome. I would not go to any threads about any game I'm working on though.
UnemployedVillain
Member
As someone who use to frequent Gamefaqs YEARS ago, the discussions here aren't really much better. Sometimes they're worse than on /v/ in fact. I think what Neogaf does much better is with moderation, and the highs being much higher than those boards, but average discussion can definitely get out of hand here too. I think part of the issue is the fact that we actually do have gaming devs, journalists and insiders on here, so some posters get into their heads that we're above the normal console war BS and that any old poster spouting nonsense is qualified and is speaking factually.
But what of the Japanese community?
esmith08734
Member
This thread hit me hard, honestly.
Version 3.0
Member
I have no idea what RIME is. I hope that statement doesn't make anyone involved with it cry.
Not doubting what you say because I have absolutely no idea, but cant you read the forums here without being a member?
You dont have to interact to see the criticism.
Exactly.
Doesn't shock me at all. I've fallen into this trap too.
I think this forum can be great for having discussion.
BUT I have noticed in like the past 2 years. It can be taken too far. Something is either the greatest of all time or absolute shit. No middle ground and that's not good for discussion.
Look at what happened to Shinobi. Just because he happened to like a game.
I think this forum can be great for having discussion.
BUT I have noticed in like the past 2 years. It can be taken too far. Something is either the greatest of all time or absolute shit. No middle ground and that's not good for discussion.
Look at what happened to Shinobi. Just because he happened to like a game.
darkistheway
Member
Um, which NeoGAF are you reading? Tongue-in-cheek? Not when it comes to the hype cycle. There are a lot of true believers here and they pull the collective IQ of the site way down.
Neogaf is no less negative than any other forum on the internet. I sympathize with what devs have to go through. Not saying some criticism isn't warranted but people tend to be very hyperbolic on the internet.
I will say that I think the mods here do a generally good job but even then, there is only so much you can do.
I will say that I think the mods here do a generally good job but even then, there is only so much you can do.
I find your profile image of bald Arya Stark very disturbing
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
demosthenes
Member
Ehhhhh.
Every only community especially the video gaming can be quite toxic. I love GAF, I tell friends when I find something from here or a cool thread that they might like but some topics I click and I just bounce out of sometimes. A news story breaks and a TON of people assume the worst without any information other than a headline. I loved the thread a few years back when it was a pretty long OT and in like the 5th paragraph at the end the creator asked you to post only a certain response if you had read it. The % was super low. If you read a lot of threads you will see a lot of shit but the mods do a pretty good job curtailing the snowball from getting out of control.
The excuse would be they had 4 years after that reveal trailer to actually make a game
This is how I feel.
But also GAF might have its moments - but at least it's usually mature. Try reading gamefaqs etc
This was NEVER the case? Lol
MrS
Banned
Or, a joke? Must everything be doom and gloom, Boxy?
Yes, Nier Automata was a result of Square not listening to any critiques about the first game.
Correlation vs Causation yadda yadda yadda.
Take out your specific reference to Gaf and do you not think thay those pubs/devs don't have internal testing/criticisms? Hell there are books written about how tough Nintendo is internally. We even have stories on how the BOTW dev team play tested for a full week after making changes to make sure the game still fet good/played well with the changes.
Many studios do this. Not all of them have access to that kind of work flow, but I can tell you that many of the most successful creatives value good criticism and do not take it personally. They also have avenues and methods for valuable constructive criticism. The argument can be made that the majority of critical posts on gaf/the internet are shitposts and should be ignored. Thats hard to do when you're personally vested in a project, but it is possible to separate the wheat from the chafff even here and determine good well thought criticism from the worthless stuff.
Why though
Wait... what happened to Shinobi? Haven't heard about this...