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Robert Mugabe, Veteran President Of Zimbabwe, Dead At 95

AfricanKing

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Zimbabwe's longtime president Robert Mugabe has died. He was 95. Mugabe's death was announced by the office of Zimbabwe's president.

Mugabe came to power at independence from Britain in 1980, after a guerrilla war ended white-minority rule in then-Rhodesia. He was heralded as a model leader — but that image steadily eroded over time as his leadership became more authoritarian. Democracy, the rule of law and the economy suffered.
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The world is a better place today than it was yesterday.
For sure. But he was a great leader that brought them independence.
For sure he got corrupted and later did horrible things, beyond imagination.

But right now, a statesman has died and he need respect. Flaws and all.

He will be dead forever. You don't have to smear him right now. He will still be as dead next month.
Smear him then. Even if he was bad, he was a statesman and deserves respect during his funeral.

I am not saying he was good or deserves praise. I am saying a person is dead. You don't celebrate that ever. No matter how bad the person was. Or you are a very very bad fucked up person.
 
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We are better than than. Let the body to cool and get into the ground before we start criticizing him.
He had faults for sure but this is not the time to parade them or celebrating.
No. He was no different from any other totalitarian dickhead. Dude murdered people and destroyed lives. This is not some political difference about low taxes or high taxes, this is about humanity. He was evil.
 
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We're better off without some people.
For fucks sake.
I am not saying you should celebrate him.

I am saying, he is fucking dead and deserves some respect until his body is buried.
Then you can hate him as much as you want.
How fucking hard is that concept to comprehend?

Just fucking basic civility. Let your worst enemy die and be buried in peace. You have a lifetime remaining to vilify him,
but just fucking let him be buried in peace.
 
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RIP but he was kinda like a modern day Ceaser wouldn’t give up his power whilst his Country suffered and took a thriving economy and stuffed it up.

He out stayed his welcome and became what he fought to over throw.
 

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Let Mugabe stand as proof of what happens when Marxist SJW's take power.





As a naive teenager, I once thought he was just your generic dictator who came to power because of "colonialism". Bwahaha. He was actually a crazy racist that was voted in over and over and let his country return to dust.

However, the even more chilling revelation is the U.S kept giving this guy money, FOR 30 YEARS.

 
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Let Mugabe stand as proof of what happens when Marxist SJW's take power.





As a naive teenager, I once thought he was just your generic dictator who came to power because of "colonialism". Bwahaha. He was actually a crazy racist that was voted in over and over and let his country return to dust.

However, the even more chilling revelation is the U.S kept giving this guy money, FOR 30 YEARS.

I always thought it was just his philtrum but upon closer inspection it’s a Hitler moustache...
 

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Also, I just learned he died in a hospital in SINGAPORE.


What does that tell you? You can give a country billions of dollars, yet there were no doctors good enough to look after your own President?
Either that, or he didn't trust his own population to look after him.
 
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Also, I just learned he died in a hospital in SINGAPORE.


What does that tell you? You can give a country billions of dollars, yet there were no doctors good enough to look after your own President?
Either that, or he didn't trust his own population to look after him.
He died at 95 years old, people aren't immortal.

Good riddance to his death
 
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Another "successful" Marxist/communist goes down in history. One who did exactly what Marxists and communists do.

I am sure he will be added to Marxist apologist list of:

"he wasn't really a Marxist!!11!"
"he didn't do it the right way!!"
"I would of done it the right way"
"herp derp"
 

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Mugabe = good
Betsy Ross flag = racist.

I am sure we will see Kap and his like rocking their Mugabe gear.
 

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Your aren't making judgments based on any kind of logical standard. Your post didn't make any sense because it is logically flawed.
Did you suffer brain damage recently?
Even if you answer "no", I'm still going to assume you did and are not in a right state of mind.
 
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Did you suffer brain damage recently?
Even if you answer "no", I'm still going to assume you did and are not in a right state of mind.
When you made that post, you let pointless reductionism get in the way of actually having a good point. I don't know why you did, but it didn't matter where he was, he was going to die somewhere. He's sick on his last legs and he's 95 dude. Not dying in his home country isn't indicative of anything.
 
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When you made that post, you let pointless reductionism get in the way of actually having a good point. I don't know why you did, but it didn't matter where he was, he was going to die somewhere. He's sick on his last legs and he's 95 dude. Not dying in his home country isn't indicative of anything.
Your low IQ is showing.

Did I not just say he's dead? Where of where did you construct that I ever said a man who just died in Singapore is "immortal" is beyond me.
No, I said he's dead, and am mocking the fact that he had billions of dollars but still had to seek healthcare outside of his own country (much less, in a country that was also colonized but surprise, Singapore didn't run itself into the ground like Zimbabwe did).
 

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When you made that post, you let pointless reductionism get in the way of actually having a good point. I don't know why you did, but it didn't matter where he was, he was going to die somewhere. He's sick on his last legs and he's 95 dude. Not dying in his home country isn't indicative of anything.
He wasn't pointing out the Singapore hospital failing him. He was saying he didn't trust Africans to care for him, so he went to Singapore. I don't blame him for that one.
 
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He wasn't pointing out the Singapore hospital failing him. He was saying he didn't trust Africans to care for him, so he went to Singapore. I don't blame him for that one.
Traveling at 95 years old with frail health to Singapore made him probably worse
 

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For sure. But he was a great leader that brought them independence.
For sure he got corrupted and later did horrible things, beyond imagination.

But right now, a statesman has died and he need respect. Flaws and all.

He will be dead forever. You don't have to smear him right now. He will still be as dead next month.
Smear him then. Even if he was bad, he was a statesman and deserves respect during his funeral.

I am not saying he was good or deserves praise. I am saying a person is dead. You don't celebrate that ever. No matter how bad the person was. Or you are a very very bad fucked up person.
He was not a great leader. I find your logic interesting, and by interesting I mean ridiculous. He was a piece of shit person. You don’t have to celebrate his passing, but he gets zero respect in death from me.
 
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Your low IQ is showing.

Did I not just say he's dead? Where of where did you construct that I ever said a man who just died in Singapore is "immortal" is beyond me.
No, I said he's dead, and am mocking the fact that he had billions of dollars but still had to seek healthcare outside of his own country (much less, in a country that was also colonized but surprise, Singapore didn't run itself into the ground like Zimbabwe did).
You're mocking the fact, but as I said there is no logical basis for it. Your conclusion based on the one event is complete bullshit. It doesn't matter if he goes outside his country for medical, it happens all of the time including in the United States. It means absolutely nothing about that status of that countries healthcare.

It's a completely empty statement with no worth or value what so ever. That illogical bullshit is what I'm getting at.
 
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You're mocking the fact, but as I said there is no logical basis for it. Your conclusion based on the one event is complete bullshit. It doesn't matter if he goes outside his country for medical, it happens all of the time including in the United States. It means absolutely nothing about that status of that countries healthcare.
So you're saying Zimbabwe has healthcare comparable to other countries where people fly to when they're sick? Can you prove how that's the case?

Oh right, you can't.
 
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You're mocking the fact, but as I said there is no logical basis for it. Your conclusion based on the one event is complete bullshit. It doesn't matter if he goes outside his country for medical, it happens all of the time including in the United States. It means absolutely nothing about that status of that countries healthcare.

It's a completely empty statement with no worth or value what so ever. That illogical bullshit is what I'm getting at.
How is it illogical to believe that a third world country with hyperinflation has poor medical care?
 
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Because I'm a nice guy and I want others following along to have a similar understanding, I did take a look into what Zimbabwe's "healthcare" is actually like.

It seems like gloves, needles, painkillers and water should be standard stock in any hospital.

But they're not in Zimbabwe.
Doctors have been pressing the government for change — including through strikes — demanding better salaries, needed supplies and functioning medical equipment. In public hospitals, doctors are working in arduous conditions, forcing some to operate with their bare hands, at worst, and nonsterile gloves, at best, when essential supplies run out.
While the first strike dates back to the Mugabe era, in March 2017, the situation in public hospitals continues to worsen — and strike demands still haven't been met under Mnangagwa. The government is obligated to purchase supplies and equipment; foreign currency is needed to import these supplies, but the government says it doesn't have foreign currency due to the severity of the economic crisis.
The article is pretty long, but it's obvious the situation there is more than horrendous.


In Zimbabwe in 2008, 65% of health care services were provided by the public sector. The severe social and economic challenges since that time have resulted in an unprecedented deterioration of health care infrastructure, loss of experienced health sector personnel, and a drastic decline in the quality of health services available for the population (Human Resources for Health Profile, 2009).

Currently, there are 1.6 physicians and 7.2 nurses for every 10,000 people (Zimbabwe Ministry of Health and Child Welfare, Human Resources for Health information sheet, 2010). Lack of staff for medical education training, and high drop-out rates in public sector health care posts have resulted in vacancy rates of over 50% for doctors, midwives, laboratory, and environmental health staff (National Health Strategy for Zimbabwe 2009-2013). Some more recent data suggest a slight decrease for some of these categories (Human Resources for Health Profile, 2009), which may be a positive result of an Emergency Retention Scheme created in 2008.

Historically, Zimbabwe boasted a thriving teaching hospital network, a strong primary healthcare system installed in the 1980s by the Mugabe regime [2], and a motivated, highly trained health workforce [3]. However, during his reign, Mugabe also undermined this health system through human rights abuses and economic mismanagement, among other actions. In order to maintain his grip on power, Mugabe incited horrific violence against members of the opposition, inflicting psychological and physical trauma on Zimbabweans [46]. His party harassed doctors and nurses who cared for the victims [6]. The former president further politicized health by denying the existence of a severe cholera epidemic in 2008, despite the death of 4000 people [79].

So we can come to the conclusion that, despite the world giving billions in foreign aid to Zimbabwe, the same country could still barely look after itself.


But hey, it's all Socialism and Colonialism's fault right?That's the reason Mugabe had to run away from Zimbabwe. Right?




When even the Castros are doing a better job despite being blockaded for decades, Zimbabwe has no excuse.
 
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How is it illogical to believe that a third world country with hyperinflation has poor medical care?
I didn't say that, I just didn't like him being reductionist.

Because I'm a nice guy and I want others following along to have a similar understanding, I did take a look into what Zimbabwe's "healthcare" is actually like.




The article is pretty long, but it's obvious the situation there is more than horrendous.








So we can come to the conclusion that, despite the world giving billions in foreign aid to Zimbabwe, the same country could still barely look after itself.


But hey, it's all Socialism and Colonialism's fault right?That's the reason Mugabe had to run away from Zimbabwe. Right?




When even the Castros are doing a better job despite being blockaded for decades, Zimbabwe has no excuse.
If you had lead with more solid information like this, I probably wouldn't have quoted you. You probably shouldn't compare Cuba to Zimbabwe though, their nationalized healthcare is Cuba's best advantage, and they spend 10% of their GDP on it. All of their health statistics compare well with countries like sweden. Their doctors are known for flying around the world to get paid to help everyone else. Last I heard they make more money for exporting doctors than they do from tourism.
 

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If you had lead with more solid information like this, I probably wouldn't have quoted you. You probably shouldn't compare Cuba to Zimbabwe though, their nationalized healthcare is Cuba's best advantage, and they spend 10% of their GDP on it. All of their health statistics compare well with countries like sweden. Their doctors are known for flying around the world to get paid to help everyone else. Last I heard they make more money for exporting doctors than they do from tourism.
Pssst, both countries are dirt poor. Just because Cuba at least manages to get something right, doesn't give Zimbabwe a pass for doing nothing right at all.

It actually proves another point I made earlier about African dictators vs the rest of the world. Cuba, USSR, China all have a history of being ruled by tyrants, yet they still manage to create a culture that prioritizes some form of academics and the sciences.
 
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I didn't say that, I just didn't like him being reductionist.



If you had lead with more solid information like this, I probably wouldn't have quoted you. You probably shouldn't compare Cuba to Zimbabwe though, their nationalized healthcare is Cuba's best advantage, and they spend 10% of their GDP on it. All of their health statistics compare well with countries like sweden. Their doctors are known for flying around the world to get paid to help everyone else. Last I heard they make more money for exporting doctors than they do from tourism.
You're mocking the fact, but as I said there is no logical basis for it. Your conclusion based on the one event is complete bullshit. It doesn't matter if he goes outside his country for medical, it happens all of the time including in the United States. It means absolutely nothing about that status of that countries healthcare.

It's a completely empty statement with no worth or value what so ever. That illogical bullshit is what I'm getting at.
Yeah he’s really coming home it of left field suggesting health care in Zimbabwe is less than stellar 🙄
 

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I didn't say that, I just didn't like him being reductionist.



If you had lead with more solid information like this, I probably wouldn't have quoted you. You probably shouldn't compare Cuba to Zimbabwe though, their nationalized healthcare is Cuba's best advantage, and they spend 10% of their GDP on it. All of their health statistics compare well with countries like sweden. Their doctors are known for flying around the world to get paid to help everyone else. Last I heard they make more money for exporting doctors than they do from tourism.
You implied it whether you realise it or not.
 

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Nothing of value was lost. He lead his people to famine and rigged the election. Glad he was caught and thrown out of power. It will take a long rebuild to get Zimbabwe back where they were before 1980.
 

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Robert Mugabe brought misery, death and corruption. Too bad he lived as long as he did standing on the necks of others.
 
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