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Roger Stone found guilty on all 7 counts, including lying to congress and witness tampering. Begs Trump through Alex Jones to pardon him.

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Roger Stone guilty on all counts in federal trial of lying to Congress, witness tampering

Roger Stone as he arrived Friday at court with his wife Nydia

A federal jury has convicted longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone of lying to Congress and tampering with a witness about his efforts to learn about the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks release of hacked Democratic emails in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
The panel of nine women and three men deliberated for less than two days before finding Stone, 67, guilty on all seven counts resulting from his September 2017 testimony to a House intelligence committee investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election and the Kremlin’s efforts to damage Trump’s Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton.
Begging through Alex Jones:
ongtime Trump associate Roger Stone on Thursday reportedly begged President Donald Trump to pardon him through a message sent to InfoWars far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones as the jury deliberated his fate.

Stone, 68, a former Trump 2016 campaign adviser and longtime Republican operative, reportedly sent a message to Jones asking to be pardoned while being tried in federal court in Washington D.C. over seven charges of lying to Congress about his relationship with WikiLeaks.

"Roger Stone's message is this," Jones said during Thursday's broadcast of Infowars' The Alex Jones Show, "He expected to be convicted. He said, 'Only a miracle can save me now,' that was exact words to me last night and this morning."

"And he said to me, 'Alex, barring a miracle, I appeal to God and I appeal to your listeners for prayer, and I appeal to the president to pardon me because to do so would be an action that would show these corrupt courts that they're not going to get away with persecuting people for their free speech or for the crime of getting the president elected,'" Jones continued, adding that Stone asserted, "If we don't do that, it will embolden their criminal activity."


Stone is at the heart of the question of whether Trump's 2016 campaign worked with WikiLeaks or Russia to leak private emails from the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and 2016 Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's campaign during the election. Stone and Trump have been friends for over 30 years and if he is convicted, he faces up to 20 years in prison. However, Stone could serve a lesser sentence as he is a non-violent first time offender.
Trump wasn't part of Rogers background deals so it would be very touch to actually pardon Roger Stone unless Trump had a good reason to or found evidence the trial was unfair.

Im not sure Roger can get out of this one.
 

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So Eric is protected as if Trump is going to personally shank him because of a call where nothing happened. Stone is villified because he knew about emails that showed how the DNC and Hillary were acting in a corrupt manner to screw over Bernie.

I guess the moral here is leak/whistleblow on Trump and you are a hero whose identity needs protection. But when it comes to Hillary your ass is going to jail.
 

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No human being deserves 50 years of jail for lying to people who can lie with impunity.

Fuck off, fascist.
I didn't say he deserved 50 years. But he does deserve prison time. Stone is not some selfless hero protecting his country from oppression; he's a self-serving asshole who's only interested in greed and power.

Fascists excuse and defend corruption. Good people oppose it wherever it comes from. And at last check, you're the one making excuses...
 

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I didn't say he deserved 50 years. But he does deserve prison time. Stone is not some selfless hero protecting his country from oppression; he's a self-serving asshole who's only interested in greed and power.

Fascists excuse and defend corruption. Good people oppose it wherever it comes from. And at last check, you're the one making excuses...
Lying by itself is not corruption. What else was he convicted of?

Democrats leaked his raid (over a fucking lie) to the press so they could show up to humiliate him. This whole thing has been payback for him embarrassing Queenie.

That is Stalin tactics. That is Nazi tactics. You know that damn well.
 

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Lying by itself is not corruption. What else was he convicted of?

Democrats leaked his raid (over a fucking lie) to the press so they could show up to humiliate him. This whole thing has been payback for him embarrassing Queenie.

That is Stalin tactics. That is Nazi tactics. You know that damn well.
 

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Lying by itself is not corruption. What else was he convicted of?

Democrats leaked his raid (over a fucking lie) to the press so they could show up to humiliate him. This whole thing has been payback for him embarrassing Queenie.

That is Stalin tactics. That is Nazi tactics. You know that damn well.
The drama of the FBI raid was a bit much, but that doesn't change that Stone committed a crime by lying in his testimony and committing witness tampering. I have yet to see you try to challenge those.

And if you hadn't noticed, Stone was lying and witness tampering to run cover for Trump. That's political corruption in a nutshell.
 

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And if you hadn't noticed, Stone was lying and witness tampering to run cover for Trump. That's political corruption in a nutshell.
Run cover implies it was covering a crime. What crime?

And your first post implies he deserves this for other things he has done. What exactly has Stone done wrong, outside of speech?
 
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Trump's bribery and extortion. The things he's being tried for in Congress, and the same things that make his supporters look dumb.
Are you seriously implying that Stone's actions relate to the Ukraine matter?

It's all the same circular logic with you. Rather like fascists, actually. You connect random bits of unrelated information to go after people, then harass them until they lie, then claim victory and to have "found corruption".
 
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The issue is that he lied about having advanced knowledge of Wikileaks, which then throws a wrench in the Russiagate conspiracy if that's determined to be a lie by the courts. (Which it is a lie.)

However, sending someone to prison for boasting and being full of hot air when you have people who violate the constitution, spy on Americans, start wars under false pretenses and drone strike innocents sitting around in luxurious homes and getting cable news spots? I feel that's the sort of messaging that starts up the tinder of civil war.
 

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The issue is that he lied about having advanced knowledge of Wikileaks, which then throws a wrench in the Russiagate conspiracy if that's determined to be a lie by the courts. (Which it is a lie.)

However, sending someone to prison for boasting and being full of hot air when you have people who violate the constitution, spy on Americans, start wars under false pretenses and drone strike innocents sitting around in luxurious homes and getting cable news spots? I feel that's the sort of messaging that starts up the tinder of civil war.
No, I think if we're going to pursue justice then it doesn't matter with whom it starts.

If he was guilty, then he was guilty. I guess for people who feel that other worse criminals should go to jail too, doesn't this pave the way for that to happen?
 

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No, I think if we're going to pursue justice then it doesn't matter with whom it starts.

If he was guilty, then he was guilty. I guess for people who feel that other worse criminals should go to jail too, doesn't this pave the way for that to happen?
No. It does not. This act doesn't by its nature lead to any other acts.
 
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No. It does not. This act doesn't by its nature lead to any other acts.
I disagree, I think it does.

For starters, unless Trump is expertly pulling some kind of Yagami Light trick (where he willingly suffers under investigation, knowing he can rig it to look innocent) then we should be happy to prosecute people close to Trump, because when Trump himself isn't caught up in it then it demonstrates he is not guilty by association.

Beyond that, it shows that our system is impartial. Imperfect, sure, but impartial. Any whiff of Trump associates being protected from prosecution and conviction could be used to strengthen the accusations thrown at the President since he was elected.

I'm not saying it is right/fair. But there is value to letting the plodding gears of justice do their thing.
 
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Going after Stone and not any of the real heinous criminal acts does not lend itself to being impartial.

Look, this is the end of the last charade and not the start of anything new. The russiagate investigation which found nothing it sought to find and caught people up in process crimes. Process crimes are what swallows Stone up here. None of that reads as justice or impartiality to the public.
 

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Going after Stone and not any of the real heinous criminal acts does not lend itself to being impartial.

Look, this is the end of the last charade and not the start of anything new. The russiagate investigation which found nothing it sought to find and caught people up in process crimes. Process crimes are what swallows Stone up here. None of that reads as justice or impartiality to the public.
The last charade is not over. We have yet to hear about the potential FISA abuse. We have yet to hear about the potential conspiracy to smear a presidential candidate via foreign agents.

If we are willing to prosecute on process crime, it would shine a bright light on the fairness of our government if they were to fail to prosecute based on treasonous behavior. Ultimately, it is swaying the public's opinion that matters most here. Stone should've played the game better, but his conviction sets the bar very very low for what constitutes a prosecutable offense in this situation.
 
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For starters, unless Trump is expertly pulling some kind of Yagami Light trick (where he willingly suffers under investigation, knowing he can rig it to look innocent) then we should be happy to prosecute people close to Trump, because when Trump himself isn't caught up in it then it demonstrates he is not guilty by association.
That is not what happens, though. Even though Stone was not charged with any crime relating to the Russia hoax, this is already being used to embolden that conspiracy theory again.
 

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That is not what happens, though. Even though Stone was not charged with any crime relating to the Russia hoax, this is already being used to embolden that conspiracy theory again.
Good, I hope they drum it up again. It will only make their destruction more complete.

Unlike the Democrats, I don't believe accusations are evidence. The truth will bear out.
 
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Good, I hope they drum it up again. It will only make their destruction more complete.

Unlike the Democrats, I don't believe accusations are evidence. The truth will bear out.
After another 3-4 years?

The Russia hoax damaged this country considerably. Since the Mueller report itsfuckingnothing.gif'd the hoax, the stock market has skyrocketed, there have been a string of foreign policy successes, and a general improvement in mood.

I think people underestimated how much the whole thing dragged down the country when every week Mueller's team leaked (often false) things to the press, or Democrats screamed about traitors, or the media kept claiming all of the Trump administration would be thrown in jail.

I don't want the country damaged like that again.
 

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Of course Stone is guilty. This was almost a guaranteed outcome. Now it gives weight to the fact that the Trump campaign, and very very likely Trump himself, knew of the release of the emails by Wikileaks. Trump's trial is coming after 1/20/21.
 

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"We were lied totold the democrats were going to jail, but all we see is trump people going to jail. Am I a moron or believing what they said?"

Yep.

The Russia hoax damaged this country considerably. Since the Mueller report itsfuckingnothing.gif'd the hoax, the stock market has skyrocketed, there have been a string of foreign policy successes, and a general improvement in mood.
Stone just going to prison for obstructing justice in the Mueller probe and you're still calling it a hoax? What more has to be shown for you to realize that you fell for the con?

Future headline:
TRUMP FOUND GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS

Cons: bu bu........ Hillary bu bu.....Obama
 
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Of course Stone is guilty. This was almost a guaranteed outcome. Now it gives weight to the fact that the Trump campaign, and very very likely Trump himself, knew of the release of the emails by Wikileaks. Trump's trial is coming after 1/20/21.
Suppose they knew the emails would be released. How is that a crime?

Stone just going to prison for obstructing justice in the Mueller probe and you're still calling it a hoax?
So where are the charges for colluding with the 2016 election?
 

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Trump really hates corruption, I hear, so it must really surprise him that everyone he surrounded himself with these past few years is turning out to be felon.
 
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Michael Flynn, Roger Stone, Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, and Rick Gates. These are all people the president no longer knows but who have had direct contact with him and worked for him. Are all these convictions the results of a liberal plot? Are these deep state resulted prosecutions? Why are so many of the presidents associates going to prison? Michael Cohen is in prison right now for a crime in which he personally got no benefit! Unless you feel like him paying off porn stars for the president helped him sleep better at night. What is it about Trump that makes so many of you on GAF support him so completely? Why do you have no problems with his behavior when clearly something is wrong. Maybe this is all Obama's fault right?
 

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Michael Flynn, Roger Stone, Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, and Rick Gates. These are all people the president no longer knows but who have had direct contact with him and worked for him. Are all these convictions the results of a liberal plot? Are these deep state resulted prosecutions? Why are so many of the presidents associates going to prison? Michael Cohen is in prison right now for a crime in which he personally got no benefit! Unless you feel like him paying off porn stars for the president helped him sleep better at night. What is it about Trump that makes so many of you on GAF support him so completely? Why do you have no problems with his behavior when clearly something is wrong. Maybe this is all Obama's fault right?
What's funny is that when you cheer for procedural crimes like this, you're only paving the road to indict and imprison Democrats for far more overt corruption before, during, and after the 2016 election.

Live by the pedantry, die by the pedantry.
 

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When was the last time so many people associated with a President were convicted and/or pleaded guilty to crimes? My guess is Nixon.
Not Obama? We all know that democrats are the only people who commit crimes right GAF? I'm just glad Trump is there to deliver truth and justice to the people. Clean that swamp sir!
 

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When was the last time guilty by association was the rule of law in the USA? My guess is when Democrats were lynching blacks who supposedly slept with white women.
These the dixiecrats that joined the republican party during Nixons southern strategy campaign? Good riddance.
 
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The jurors on Stones case are interesting people. Reeks of leftist corruption.
Muellers entire investigation was over Russia collusion and wikileaks!
They couldn't even hit Trump with this shit.
A complete farce like Trumps impeachment hearings.
 
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I don’t know much about the Stone case but if this guy is getting 50 years Schiff needs 25 at least. his lie/s were far more destructive.
 

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9 years for a minor process crime with no previous criminal record is insane, and the attempt should be criminal in itself. This is all about humiliating someone who was mean to Hillary.
There were seven (7) counts, not just one. I'd almost buy that argument if he literally only did one thing in isolation and nothing else, but nope.

Furthermore, the DOJ suddenly flip-flopping on this after Trump talked trash is pretty crass...and hilarious too, given it's the opposite stance of what the DOJ usually argues.

I believe the prosecutors are totally right to protest. It's too transparent, honestly, what Trump is doing here.

Which means now you'll have many defense lawyers trying to use the DOJ's shift as precedent in favor of their own clients. That should be amusing.

Either way, the judge probably isn't going to entirely buy the DOJ's last minute change of opinion.
 
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