the original rogue is being remade by an unknown japanese company
http://www.compileheart.com/rogue/main.html
http://www.compileheart.com/rogue/main.html
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Roguelike Fans Rejoice! (or not?)
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Forgotten Ancient
Banned
What is this "roguelike" you speak of? I only started hearing this term recently, but I don't know what it means exactly.
Forgotten Ancient
Banned
kiryogi said:
Oh.
Would PMD be considered one of the "lesser" of roguelikes? I've been hearing a lot about this sub-genre lately, but I couldn't get into that game. I bought it and stopped playing after about 30 minutes. Maybe something else in this category could pique my interest.
kiryogi said:
I love how the answer to what is a roguelike is to describe a list of jrpgs... and oh, it's from some pc game.
The rogue linked in the OP looks like a reworked, upgraded version to Rogue or Moria or the still live and kicking Nethack
Background here: http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2006/08/_play_introduction_1.php#more
See Rogue here: http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2006/09/_play_the_first_two_roguelikes.php
Even TJ&E is described as a roguelike: http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2006/10/_play_toejam_earl_the_roguelik_1.php#more
Sheesh, roguelike almost never refers to anything besides ascii/tile graphic pc games, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roguelike
I hate these threads because you always get three or four people who have never played a real roguelike talking about some totally unrelated games that are bad representations of the genre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roguelike
This is a really good article actually. The best roguelikes like Nethack and IVAN tend to not have any real story or characters because you can die so randomly. Series like Mystery Dungeon tend to be awful in comparison because they remove all of the stuff that can happen to you. For example, in most roguelikes you can pick up your severed arm and use it as a weapon. Not so in a game where the main character is too pretty and important to have such horrific and hilarious events occur to them.
There are exceptions of course, but the further the game strays from the formula, the less of a roguelike it is.
If you want to try one out, I suggest starting with graphical or ascii Nethack. The former is a bit more accessible if you've never tried a roguelike before, since you won't have to remember what all of the letters mean.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roguelike
This is a really good article actually. The best roguelikes like Nethack and IVAN tend to not have any real story or characters because you can die so randomly. Series like Mystery Dungeon tend to be awful in comparison because they remove all of the stuff that can happen to you. For example, in most roguelikes you can pick up your severed arm and use it as a weapon. Not so in a game where the main character is too pretty and important to have such horrific and hilarious events occur to them.
There are exceptions of course, but the further the game strays from the formula, the less of a roguelike it is.
If you want to try one out, I suggest starting with graphical or ascii Nethack. The former is a bit more accessible if you've never tried a roguelike before, since you won't have to remember what all of the letters mean.
This is being published by Compile Hearts, a company set up by Idea Factory to publish shit like Astonishia Story and Valcanus.
It is being developed by Plophet, a tiny developer best known for the D3 published Simple series games The Maze and The Dungeon RPG.
The only light at the end of the tunnel is that the "supervisor" is the Japanese guy that originally translated Rogue and all support docs into Japanese.
Honestly, I wouldn't expect much.
Edit: Also, many many more pics here: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20070112/rogue.htm
It is being developed by Plophet, a tiny developer best known for the D3 published Simple series games The Maze and The Dungeon RPG.
The only light at the end of the tunnel is that the "supervisor" is the Japanese guy that originally translated Rogue and all support docs into Japanese.
Honestly, I wouldn't expect much.
Edit: Also, many many more pics here: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20070112/rogue.htm
grenadeguru
Member
I prefer my roguelikes in Ascii. Anything else hampers the imagination.
I guess it's to be expected, but it looks pretty much just like every Mysterious Dungeon game. I remember playing Rogue on my dad's PC as a kid.. that game kicked my butt more times than I can count. I actually prefer the more streamlined graphical updates that we get these days. The ascii games always seemed overly-complicated to me.
Kevar said:
Um. No.
Kevar said:
Good lord, no. Nethack is a horrible place to start with roguelikes. A game that's crammed full of inside jokes and full of arbitrary and nasty ways to die from the very start? No. You're better off starting with either a more modern game like ADOM or ToME, or possibly one of the simpler and purer roguelikes - vanilla Angband or even Moria. Ragnarok might be a possibility if you want something with slightly prettier graphics, though it's a bit closer to Nethack in its potential to be incredibly brutal to the player.
uh? there is a version of nethack with a graphical interface meaning i don't have to remember more than 40 buttons? link me please! the interface is the only reason i can't get into nethackKevar said:
yes PMD just plain sucks! it's an easy game,it has terrible treasures and most pokemon acts always in the same way,if you want to try a true fushigi no dungeon game pick the fantranslated version of shiren the wanderer for snesForgotten Ancient said:
SpoonyBard
Banned
Larn was my favourite Roguelike on Atari ST, it was simpler and more straightforward than NetHack. I tried to find a PC build a couple of years ago, but didn't find one. Just some unix sources that didn't compile even on a Solaris so I gave up
SpoonyBard said:Larn was my favourite Roguelike on Atari ST, it was simpler and more straightforward than NetHack. I tried to find a PC build a couple of years ago, but didn't find one. Just some unix sources that didn't compile even on a Solaris so I gave up
http://www.ularn.org/
http://www.cordier.com/ularn/
http://www.users.bigpond.com/jolds/ularn.htm
http://roguelikes.sauceforge.net/pub/larn/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larn
I recommended NetHack because that's the game I've had the most success with in recommending to other people. /shrug They usually like all of the random stuff that can happen, and then try out other roguelikes. It also takes three seconds to download and runs in the most minimal window ever, which is another plus, although not one exclusive to Nethack.iapetus said:
Well, you still have to remember like 40 buttons for entering commands, you just don't have to remember what the letters representing the characters and items mean. It's on the official site, I think.
http://www.nethack.org/v343/downloads.html
Dungeon Crawl tile graphic version is a good place to start. Easy to get into and yet one of the most enjoyable roguelikes around.
Nethack is still the best I've played.
Also try Ancient Domains Of Mystery if you're getting into RLs or are into them but haven't tried it, it's pretty epic. IVAN is great (and pretty funny) but sadly has been abandoned.
Castlevania and Metroid Roguelikes
DOOM Roguelike
Dwarf Fortress - this one's pretty odd, you play a party of dwarves mining into a mountain. Kind of like Dungeon Keeper in RL form. Also takes an age to generate the world, and there's a standard Roguelike portion of the game too, complete with wrasslin'.
Also try Ancient Domains Of Mystery if you're getting into RLs or are into them but haven't tried it, it's pretty epic. IVAN is great (and pretty funny) but sadly has been abandoned.
Castlevania and Metroid Roguelikes
DOOM Roguelike
Dwarf Fortress - this one's pretty odd, you play a party of dwarves mining into a mountain. Kind of like Dungeon Keeper in RL form. Also takes an age to generate the world, and there's a standard Roguelike portion of the game too, complete with wrasslin'.
Ah my favorite genre. I appreciate the Japanese attempts to duplicate it, they seem to like the genre, but never really got it. I think some imports could change my mind, but I don't understand the smallest fraction of Kanji.
I grew up with Angband and never really got into Nethack. It's just too crazy with more of an emphasis on weird rules and amazingly deep interactions between items and monsters than just straight up combat and item collection. Not a nice game to newbies.
I highly recommend T.O.M.E if you get the chance, it's like Angband on crack, with multiple dungeons and an overworld. Chances are you will never run out of things to do, and if you ever did then you still have mods to go on. If you have a 1.5 homebrew compatible PSP you can try it on it, along with the original Angband.
One common theme to roguelikes is permenant death. You can always turn on wizard mode though if you want to "cheat," or for the rest of us, those that want to see more of the game with out having to play so anally.
I grew up with Angband and never really got into Nethack. It's just too crazy with more of an emphasis on weird rules and amazingly deep interactions between items and monsters than just straight up combat and item collection. Not a nice game to newbies.
I highly recommend T.O.M.E if you get the chance, it's like Angband on crack, with multiple dungeons and an overworld. Chances are you will never run out of things to do, and if you ever did then you still have mods to go on. If you have a 1.5 homebrew compatible PSP you can try it on it, along with the original Angband.
One common theme to roguelikes is permenant death. You can always turn on wizard mode though if you want to "cheat," or for the rest of us, those that want to see more of the game with out having to play so anally.
SpoonyBard
Banned
Mejilan said:
Yeah I quickly googled those too, but the best bet would still be running ST or Amiga version under emulator, as I don't have home access for Unix machines any longer. It's not really a big deal, I can just play NetHack if I feel like playing that kind of game, or start learning ADOM if I'm really bored.
SpoonyBard
Banned
Uh, how the heck did I miss that. Downloading, will try later.
So, did anyone buy Rogue Hearts Dungeon on PS2?
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-43-49-en-70-1uk8.html
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-43-49-en-70-1uk8.html
Tyrannical
Banned
NetHack is pretty much impossible to win with out the in dephth FAQS.
With the FAQS, it's only "almost" impossible unless you cheat and back up your save file.
With the FAQS, it's only "almost" impossible unless you cheat and back up your save file.
Nethack is impossible if you expect to kill everything in your path. I've come to confirm this using the better wizard cheat. It really seems like the only way to win is to only fight the battles you can assuredly finish. Or you can be like Patito and never fight at all.
If you haven't read about Patito the Gnomish Priest, give that a look. It's a good read.
As for the new game, it looks interesting, but not $60 interesting. NCS made it seem pretty neat though.
If you haven't read about Patito the Gnomish Priest, give that a look. It's a good read.
As for the new game, it looks interesting, but not $60 interesting. NCS made it seem pretty neat though.
syllogism said:
nethack is a savage beating if you play it without savescumming and spoilers. i've played almost 300 games since i (re-)picked it up a couple of years ago and i'm still don't think i'm particularly close to winning. you do get *way* better at it though - which is part of the appeal of these games for me - i've got a little book where i keep notes when i figure stuff out.
being good at nethack is largely about managing danger (keeping escape routes open, knowing what the scary situations are, and not being cocky. ever.), and managing inventory (knowing what to keep, and when). having some good luck never hurts either.
POWDER is a nice simple Roguelike that's playable on any GBA emulator:
http://www.zincland.com/powder/index.php?pagename=about
Download: http://www.zincland.com/powder/release/powder084.tar.gz (winzip will open this)
any person that explains a roguelike by listing *any* japanese game is a moron, IMO
http://www.zincland.com/powder/index.php?pagename=about
Download: http://www.zincland.com/powder/release/powder084.tar.gz (winzip will open this)
any person that explains a roguelike by listing *any* japanese game is a moron, IMO
BobJustBob
Member
Pfft, roguelike snobs. The Mysterious Dungeon games are great.
birdchili said:
Nethack is easily beatable if you get lucky with an early /oW (wand of wishing). You definitely need spoilers though, the game is way too complex to figure out everything by yourself (outside of reading the source code), and the guidebook that comes with the game purposely give very little information outside of the importance of Elbereth.
flammie said:
i doubt it would be half as much fun with spoilers though.
i shall make loud whooping noises when i beat it, but it's about so much more than winning (i celebrate the little victories, really - whenever you manage to cleverly dodge certain death is cause for minor victory celebrations).
i've been playing it a lot less of late since i'm good enough that an average game is quite long and dying is so much more painful than it was when i was green.