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Rumor: Lucas partially owns original Star Wars characters and because that Disney are pulling them out

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People threaten Rian johnson's life to this day. But JJ Abrams completely ruined Star Trek and gets away scot free 😭😢. That crime will never be forgiven. PS: I have no faith in rise of the skywalkers and believe these rumours about IP 100%.
 
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I'm pretty sure Rian got to make his own vision and it's not corporate meddling. That's why everyone hates him.
Yeah this in no way explains why Lucasfilms went out of their way to pick a some nobody director who stated he liked subverting expectations. Also a director of his caliber wouldn't sign a nondisclosure agreement for any corporate directives just to be able to get to write and direct the most popular sci fi franchise in existence. It's also highly possible that Disney was more concerned with new and fresh ideas instead of cashing in on the popularity of the old characters. Anything is possible but this rumor gives a motive for a lot of questionable decisions made around the sequels.
 
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Even the special effects looked on par with TV sci-fi.
the sets as well. almost think the running out of gas plot was in order to use a lot of tiny interior sets and save money. in the BTS he had to beg for the money for that Sea Cow.

worst of all was the first jedi island, a couple tiny huts, the "Jedi texts" is like five books on a tiny shelf, that hole in the ground was just a Game of Thrones tree set, with less artistic set design. very uninspiring. its like this everywhere.
 
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I just cancelled all of my Star Wars pre-orders. The reason are two fold. 1) I don't want to give that cunt of a mouse any more money & 2) I know they will be on clearance a few weeks after launch and I can pick them up for a fraction of the price.
 
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less artistic set design. very uninspiring. its like this everywhere.
I'm trying to remember a single cool & memorable thing from the designs in TFA, it was set on a sand planet (can't remember the name, Tatooine 2 essentially), and I'm wracking my brain here.

Tatooine had the sandcrawlers and jawas, the huts that Luke and his Aunt & Uncle lived in, Mos Eisley, the binary star system, so many memorable visuals and practical effects.

I can't think of 1 cool thing from that planet on TFA. Only thing I can think of that isn't CGI in some way is the market square or whatever they are in where Rey beats up the two guards for Finn. That must have taken an afternoon to put together I guess. Literally just a bunch of shoddily assembled huts and merchants, remember how interesting Mos Eisley looked?
 
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I'm trying to remember a single cool & memorable thing from the designs in TFA, it was set on a sand planet (can't remember the name, Tatooine 2 essentially), and I'm wracking my brain here.

Tatooine had the sandcrawlers and jawas, the huts that Luke and his Aunt & Uncle lived in, Mos Eisley, the binary star system, so many memorable visuals and practical effects.

I can't think of 1 cool thing from that planet on TFA. Only thing I can think of that isn't CGI in some way is the market square or whatever they are in where Rey beats up the two guards for Finn. That must have taken an afternoon to put together I guess. Literally just a bunch of shoddily assembled huts and merchants, remember how interesting Mos Eisley looked?
The spaceship graveyard was pretty much the only cool thing about it.
 
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the sets as well. almost think the running out of gas plot was in order to use a lot of tiny interior sets and save money. in the BTS he had to beg for the money for that Sea Cow.

worst of all was the first jedi island, a couple tiny huts, the "Jedi texts" is like five books on a tiny shelf, that hole in the ground was just a Game of Thrones tree set, with less artistic set design. very uninspiring. its like this everywhere.
So dull that they made me appreciate the prequels even more.
 
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The spaceship graveyard was pretty much the only cool thing about it.
And it was basically all CGI I'm sure. I just remember the one shot of the star destroyer used for the promos, and the scene with her looting it, and then the millenium falcon escape. None of it stands out in my mind as particularly memorable though, I just have a vague recollection of how those scenes looked.
 

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So dull that they made me appreciate the prequel sequels film even more.
indeed. tbf i never hated the prequels. i did enjoy the RLM videos, and they were a great Video Crit 101 for the modern era, by some guys that obviously enjoyed b-movie schlock, but just because some scenes are overly cheesy doesn't ruin the whole series for me and never did. i gave it a few years and those things didn't really matter much. there was so much there, so much unique, these crazy baroque landscapes, this science fiction that took SW's initial junkers-spaceships-in-dirt style and brought it back to a 20s Flash Gordon art deco Futurist thing. nobody was doing this in the 90s or 2000s or even today. this is something that they didn't buy when they purchased the rights to all these old characters and stories. you can't sell that kind of creative vision.

it also helped that they started playing playing them on TV. they are perfectly designed to be serialized entertainment, Lucas put cheesy cliffhangers all over the place, which go naturally against commercials, and on a Saturday afternoon lazing around on a couch, maybe around winter break, Attack of the Clones is the most amazing thing to watch.

IMO it is SW at it's most pulp, the name is so pulp it embarrasses most people. that's ok, most people wouldn't write SW. they couldn't. would you ever imagine writing a film script with a giant walking dog called Chewbacca? no. GL is SW. no questions.

the theories are interesting but kind of simplistic. licensing is not simple, it is very complex, and he could maybe have a chunk of specific merchandise rights, i mean, the contract must be hundreds of pages long. i'd imagine they own all existing movies and properties. not sure about they also purchasing his research material & unused film concepts, since that has been well publicized already, they don't really need to buy it, as it was never produced. i don't see "he owns a sizeable chunk of the OT/PT" being true, for they are already ripping off the OT, if this were true he could do a massive lawsuit against TFA alone for breach of contract. but who knows at this point we aren't even talking outer space we are talking legal fan fiction.
 
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The last Jedi is in all ways superior to any of the prequels. If you don’t like it that’s fine but objectively it’s superior in any measurable way. Action pacing plot dialogue. The only thing the prequels have better is the memes making fun of them are better.


I tried rewatching the prequels with my wife and we couldn’t even get half way. They are a dumpster fire and what made them somewhat ok (the cgi) has aged poorly especially the first two. They are terrible and reviewed badly for good reason. Revenge is the best and even that is laughably terrible. I have the high ground has to be the stupidest way to end a supposed to be monumental fight I’ve ever seen probably in my entire life. Ridiculously stupid.
Episode I and III destroyed Episode VII and VIII.
 
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Here is the problem, Disney forgot Star Wars was a series for kids. TFA relied on member berries but still had some adventure in it that it could attract some kid audiences, but there was still a bit of darkness/grittness to it. But then Rogue One, Solo and TLJ went full on YA/Adult. I just can't imagine what would be attractive to young male children in those movies. They aren't really lighthearted fun adventures for the whole family.
Funny thing is that the most loved Star Wars movie is the grittiest one; TESB is everything except a lighthearted fun adventure for the whole family.

RO is a spy/heist movie with a bunch of asshole/shade of grey characters lead by a girl whose family was murdered in front of her. The whole movie is kinda dark and gritty and none of the worlds or people are something kids would be in awe of.
Well, the movie was well receveid, by the same people who think TESB is the best SW.

TLJ, movie is too gritty. One plot deals with a casino, we are talking kids, not James Bond fans. The other plot line is a slow boring chase where WOMANZ show that men are stupid dummies. And you can contrast Luke/Rey witih Yoda/Luke. Yoda was this cool funny looking puppet that spout wisdom to Luke that lived on this weird strange but kinda cool planet. Luke lives in NZ drinking green milk and he is an asshole who doesn't train Rey, who acts like an annoying toddler.
Lots of wrong here.
1) TLJ isn't "too gritty", TESB and ROTS are far more.
2) The casino planet is cool and exotic, my inner kid loved it. I want to see more things like that in Star Wars and less boring deserts.
3) The Holdo/Poe/Leia dynamic isn't about WOMANZ, it's about Poe learning to stop being selfish. He then is rewarded with leardership. You're diminishing character development.
4) About the 'contrast' between Yoda/Luke and Luke/Rey. You forgot to say that Luke acted like a hothead all the time (part of his character development tho) and even abandoned his training to fall in an obvious trap despite Yoda's warning (but again, part of his character development). Rey acted in a similar way. Luke in TLJ is far more complex than your description of him. Again, you're dimishing character development. Also he was never supposed to train Rey, what are you talking about?
(btw there's nothing strange/cool about Dagobah, it looks too much like an Earth's swamp)

As much shit as the PT's get, Lucas knew what buttered his bread. He at least made attempts to keep it fun for kids and famalies. Sure he added in stupid I hate Geroge Bush BS into it, but there was a sense of adventure and cool worlds with good guys and bad guys. Heck even the EWOKS that everyone shat on was something for little kids to be attracted to in Star Wars. It lead to 2 spin off movies and a cartoon show.
Interesting how suddenly the zeitgeist about Star Wars is that the prequels were okayish and Lucas was fine, when 10-15 years ago fans were merciless shitting on both. "Jar Jar Binks is the worst character ever made " > 15 years later > "Star Wars is supposed to be for kids!" Lol.
Also one very important thing about the prequels is that they dilute the meaning of 'good guys' and 'bad guys'. Which btw was something that fans criticized a lot. A lot of revisionism is happening.

IMO the biggest problem for Disney is that Star Wars have no audience anymore. Kids are into Marvel and the old fans stopped caring about the series decades ago, while pretending not to. It's why TFA and Rogue One were well received (they are basically a bunch of fanservice wrapped in 2+ hours of footage) while Rian Johnson suffered a backlash when he decided to push the series forwards. The same will happen with Episode IX, if what Abrams said about the movie is true.

Disney only have one option: turn the Star Wars series into a bunch of fanservice-y movies that make fans pretend they are 10 years old again. Which is exactly what TFA did.

Compare that to something like GOG. You have Racoon and Groot. You have funny comedy and a cool guy like StarLord. You have funky (but old ) music. Colorful planets and ships. Even Yando with his hair and arrow is really cool. Drax is the strong but silent type. Gamora is a bad ass hotty. I would eat that shit up as an 8 year old. I would want a Groot toy, StarLords helmet. I would want their ship. I would quote Chris Pratt constantly and probably say I am Groot 10 million times.
GOG isn't for kids, it's for nostalgia-obsessed adults (like every successful blockbuster today). Kids like it purely for cultural osmosis, in fact nobody makes things for children anymore. Kids today have zero imagination and grow up being conditioned by Youtubers and "pop-culture enthusiasts":

"I AM GROOT!". Hehe did you guys catch the reference? We are such nerds xDD
 

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Johnson implied that he was going to push the story in interesting directions (Kylo wanting to join with Rey to make something new and Snoke being offed early doors) but then fell back into the same boring tropes as usual. When Kylo raged out and went all bad Sith again I rolled my eyes, Johnson ultimately didn’t have the balls to go all the way. His subversion was wrapped in a by the numbers quilt of familiarity, which might have been at the behest of Lucasfilm to not change the status quo too much.

Ultimately Star Wars is creatively bankrupt and if they want to carry on making Star Wars stories then they have to lose their collective hard on’s for the Skywalkers. Make a story about something else other than the Jedi, Sith and blue milk. But they won’t and maybe that’s why it’s for the best to just let Star Wars lie. The franchise only really resonated back in the 70s and 80s and that’s where it should have stayed.
 
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The last Jedi is in all ways superior to any of the prequels. If you don’t like it that’s fine but objectively it’s superior in any measurable way. Action pacing plot dialogue. The only thing the prequels have better is the memes making fun of them are better...
Cool. Kindly quantify the quality of all films in discussion in an objective, inarguable manner, and provide a comparison of the qualitative data points demonstrating the objective superiority of the film in question. These results will, of course, need to be divorced from all subjective measures, and contain a bias-focused control sample to ensure objectivity can be demonstrated. If you could kindly present this in graph format, I'll add it alongside the other objective review once you're done. Take your time. I'll wait.
 
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3) The Holdo/Poe/Leia dynamic isn't about WOMANZ, it's about Poe learning to stop being selfish. He then is rewarded with leardership. You're diminishing character development.
Selfish? Where was he selfish? He expresses great concern of state of the fleet and how it's deteriorating. He gets flack from Leia and Holdo for helping destroy the dreadnaught which strange because if he hadn't, they probably would've been in much bigger trouble with a dreadnaught also chasing them. The things he did was to help the survival of the fleet. Holdo's plan to withhold information about the plan to evac to a nearby planet doesn't make much sense either, unless she thought Poe was a spy or something. What Poe said about being defenseless in the transport ships was spot on.

4) About the 'contrast' between Yoda/Luke and Luke/Rey. You forgot to say that Luke acted like a hothead all the time (part of his character development tho) and even abandoned his training to fall in an obvious trap despite Yoda's warning (but again, part of his character development). Rey acted in a similar way. Luke in TLJ is far more complex than your description of him. Again, you're dimishing character development. Also he was never supposed to train Rey, what are you talking about?
(btw there's nothing strange/cool about Dagobah, it looks too much like an Earth's swamp)
Problem is all that character "development" of Luke becoming a hermit happened off-screen.
 
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Problem is all that character "development" of Luke becoming a hermit happened off-screen.
this is one of the most frustrating things about TLJ, it tells us "all this dramatic stuff happened offscreen, trust us" and we are supposed to just take it. Luke giving up on his friends and family. Luke "shutting himself off from the force" (until the plot needs him to do otherwise). Luke losing Kylo. all this happened off screen, years before the movie, and we are given very little primary information on what exactly happened. in fact we have two conflicting depictions of a single 5 minute scene. that's all we have to go on. it's poor world building. it's lazy. it wants the audience to do all the heavy lifting. no surprise when a lot of people aren't in the mood for that.
3) The Holdo/Poe/Leia dynamic isn't about WOMANZ, it's about Poe learning to stop being selfish. He then is rewarded with leardership. You're diminishing character development.
Leia/Holdo/Poe i get what they were going for, but outside of that very limited "character arc" it ruins the characters.
first off the whole teaching Poe a lesson thing rings false cos he gets people killed, causes a mutiny, and at the end of the movie is still yelling orders at people. he is never confined to the brig or punished with anything harder than a slap. he'll have a face to face argument with the admiral, who throws him off the bridge, then he's right back again like a scene later, where the hell is security? he is "demoted" yet this hardly matters when his own actions killed most of the fleet, to the point that by the end of the film he's one of the last people left. he basically killed off his competition. as for his grand lesson learning scene of realizing Luke is stalling, it's the same "lesson" Han Solo learned in A New Hope when he realized Obi Wan was stalling for time. only this was 3/4 of the way through Han Solo's character arc. so often these new directors try to call back and all they do is remind us how much better it was.

the Resistance conflict was really disheartening. all it really does it show Leia and Holdo to be extremely incompetent military leaders. they let morale utterly collapse on their ship, purposelessly withholding information in a series that has always shown transparent leadership. they let lower rank people go AWOL and steal a ship and go on a secret mission that led the enemy right to them. they let thousands of people die. they let a mutiny happen. 5 minute after Poe threatens a violent takeover of their ship the two are giggling over how cute he is, which seriously undercuts the film's "First time women are in the lead" branding. the movie is actually depicts that women leaders are terrible at their jobs.
 
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Seen these? Odd choices no i’m Not bothered because of Barbie, oh no Star Wars dolls, I have seen Star Wars dolls before they already did a line of them last year non barbie though, my niece has some.


They chose 3 original icons from Star Wars from A New Hope but they chose R2D2 instead? Huh!


Hmmm they on a mission to say fuck Luke since TFA aren’t they?
 

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People don't randomly love the prequels. It's because The Last Jedi wasn't a thing 20 years ago. Now they see the OT was flawed for sure but the lesser evil in comparison.
TLG is still better than the prequels. But this is really stupid of Disney. Who cares if George Lucas makes $10 million a year off of those characters.
 

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TLG is still better than the prequels. But this is really stupid of Disney. Who cares if George Lucas makes $10 million a year off of those characters.
Lets agree to disagree because Rian was the wrong choice to have been given the reins especially when he didn't want to play ball with what was setup by JJ Abrams in TFA.
 
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TLG is still better than the prequels. But this is really stupid of Disney. Who cares if George Lucas makes $10 million a year off of those characters.
No. The Last Jedi is shit. It follows moments after the end of TFA and immediately proceeds to let us know that the story we had just watched was a waste of time.

And then it gets worse.
 

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Going into TFA I was under the impression that everything was planned out for the three movies, a beginning (VII), middle (VIII), and end (IX). I then come to find out after TLJ that wasn't the case, which was pretty fucking obvious after all the questions left unanswered in TFA either weren't answered or were garbage in TLJ. I can't understand how such a big studio, that also planned out years of movies with the MCU, could go into such a huge franchise and just wing it with the story. TLJ killed my enthusiasm for the franchise, to the point that I didn't go to Solo at the theatre when I was there opening day for every other Star Wars movie.
 

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Lets agree to disagree because Rian was the wrong choice to have been given the reins especially when he didn't want to play ball with what was setup by JJ Abrams in TFA.
That's the one thing I did hate. That Rian just didn't care about the setup on TFA. But watched as an individual movie, I LOVED it. I can't say the same thing about Episode I or II.

Going into TFA I was under the impression that everything was planned out for the three movies, a beginning (VII), middle (VIII), and end (IX). I then come to find out after TLJ that wasn't the case, which was pretty fucking obvious after all the questions left unanswered in TFA either weren't answered or were garbage in TLJ. I can't understand how such a big studio, that also planned out years of movies with the MCU, could go into such a huge franchise and just wing it with the story. TLJ killed my enthusiasm for the franchise, to the point that I didn't go to Solo at the theatre when I was there opening day for every other Star Wars movie.
Solo actually is a good movie too. It's more fun, than good if that makes sense. And it's shot beautifully.
 

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That's the one thing I did hate. That Rian just didn't care about the setup on TFA. But watched as an individual movie, I LOVED it. I can't say the same thing about Episode I or II.
TFA has the brilliant, quiet Rey intro sequence, and as soon as they meet Han Solo it goes downhill from there.

for some reason she thinks Luke Skywalker may be a myth, even though that was only 30 years earlier, and even though she is speaking to Han Solo, another legendary person she knows about. this also makes you think about earlier, when she didn't know what the Millennium Falcon was, despite knowing all about Luke Skywalker and Han Solo. what? "the Jedi, the Force, all of it was real?" this would be like if i was surprised that Return of the Jedi was a movie that actually came out, and not just some propoganda Disney made in the last year of two. of that the Cold War is a thing that happened and Ronald Reagan was not a mythical person. it is not believable.

it is that way because there isn't a story there. there is no world. her reaction to these characters is based on what is best for each scene, rather than the way any real people would know about events that happened a generation ago. that isn't a consideration. there is no background outside of selling this brand through these characters. what is good for the scene, the tease, the mystery box. there is no larger world, and it is clear that no thought was put into it. when you revisit the prequels, you are unindated with a galaxy of ideas. ST's is just "Buy More Star Wars"
 
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TLG is still better than the prequels. But this is really stupid of Disney. Who cares if George Lucas makes $10 million a year off of those characters.
What? Absolutely no way, Revenge of the Sith shits upon TLJ with mighty fury. Nothing is going to beat that fight at the volcano, the only thing TLJ has that is in any way shape or form similar is the cool red sand thing and even then it's cooler to try and impress random ladies with talk about how that was a metaphor for blood. Weirdly enough, that's also a good metaphor for why the Disney movies suck ass: just like in the case of that random pickup line, the woman/audience can see right through the shit spectacle and deduce that it was done by and for manlets.
 
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It's why TFA and Rogue One were well received (they are basically a bunch of fanservice wrapped in 2+ hours of footage) while Rian Johnson suffered a backlash when he decided to push the series forwards. The same will happen with Episode IX, if what Abrams said about the movie is true.
RJ received backlash for mishandling the set ups in the first arc of the story (TFA), for screwing up with estabilished characters and for some poorly-written scenes. it has nothing to do with "pushing the series forward".

Rey's/ Kylo's force skype was generally well-received, and a lot of people were rooting for a Rey/ Kylo team up after the throne room. Both of those were unique ideas that would help "push the series forward". It just happens that the second one was completely backtracked by RJ himself, and Rey/ Kylo story arc was worth just 1/3 of screentime in favor of less interesting and less original subplots with less interesting characters.

RJ failed at 'pushing the series forward'. TLJ is, mostly, an exercise at subverting the franchise while offering very little new and ending at a spot that is as generic and safe as possible.

Ultimately Star Wars is creatively bankrupt and if they want to carry on making Star Wars stories then they have to lose their collective hard on’s for the Skywalkers. Make a story about something else other than the Jedi, Sith and blue milk. But they won’t and maybe that’s why it’s for the best to just let Star Wars lie.
Lucasfilm has actually expressed their intention multiple times of moving the story off Skywalker. That's why D&D and RJ's trilogies are (allegadly) going in completely different directions.
 

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Rey's/ Kylo's force skype was generally well-received, and a lot of people were rooting for a Rey/ Kylo team up after the throne room. Both of those were unique ideas that would help "push the series forward"
Force Skype was not a unique idea. Vader, Luke, and Leia all use it in Empire.

Cross Planet Force Projection is also not a new thing, Obi Wan is seen on two different planets in Empire.

many of the "unique" things TLJ does are just old things reframed as "new".
 
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Force Skype was not a unique idea. Vader, Luke, and Leia all use it in Empire.

Force Projection is also not a new thing, Obi Wan is seen on two different planets in Empire.

many of the "unique" things TLJ does are just old things reframed as "new".
I'm not saying the magical power itself is unique, just the story that was built around it.
 
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TFA has the brilliant, quiet Rey intro sequence, and as soon as they meet Han Solo it goes downhill from there.

for some reason she thinks Luke Skywalker may be a myth, even though that was only 30 years earlier, and even though she is speaking to Han Solo, another legendary person she knows about. this also makes you think about earlier, when she didn't know what the Millennium Falcon was, despite knowing all about Luke Skywalker and Han Solo. what? "the Jedi, the Force, all of it was real?" this would be like if i was surprised that Return of the Jedi was a movie that actually came out, and not just some propoganda Disney made in the last year of two. of that the Cold War is a thing that happened and Ronald Reagan was not a mythical person. it is not believable.

it is that way because there isn't a story there. there is no world. her reaction to these characters is based on what is best for each scene, rather than the way any real people would know about events that happened a generation ago. that isn't a consideration. there is no background outside of selling this brand through these characters. what is good for the scene, the tease, the mystery box. there is no larger world, and it is clear that no thought was put into it. when you revisit the prequels, you are unindated with a galaxy of ideas. ST's is just "Buy More Star Wars"
Very well written. I agree with the bolded completely. Which is why to me TLG is a good movie as a standalone movie. But yes, since it's part of a larger universe of movies it falls apart there.

What? Absolutely no way, Revenge of the Sith shits upon TLJ with mighty fury. Nothing is going to beat that fight at the volcano, the only thing TLJ has that is in any way shape or form similar is the cool red sand thing and even then it's cooler to try and impress random ladies with talk about how that was a metaphor for blood. Weirdly enough, that's also a good metaphor for why the Disney movies suck ass: just like in the case of that random pickup line, the woman/audience can see right through the shit spectacle and deduce that it was done by and for manlets.
I do like Episode III more than TLG. I meant TLG is better than Ep 1 and 2.
 

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Am i crazy when i say they should have went with George Lucas's outlines for the sequel trilogy? the Rey, Finn and Poe thing feels like a lie and not real Star Wars.
 

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But what is the Indiana Jones situation ?

Thanks to Paramount, Disney they can't get their dirty hands on the original movies, but I'm worried about future stuff.
 

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Episode I and III destroyed Episode VII and VIII.
Episode 1 and 3 are junk. Episode 8 was a major let down, a completely uninspired poorly paced schizophrenic mess but no where near the cringe worthy toy commercials that were the prequels. Episodes 7, Solo, and Rogue One were good to great movies that kicked the pants off the prequels and stand up to the original trilogy.
 
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