huh. so this may be because they want to keep shipping a game of the franchise every 2 years?
Bold move, hope they can pull it
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Rumor: Shadow of the Tomb Raider leaked [Up: Kotaku says real, by Eidos Montreal]
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huh. so this may be because they want to keep shipping a game of the franchise every 2 years?
Bold move, hope they can pull it
I love those games, but controlled well they did not. Camera wasn't great, jumps were hard to judge, and there was too much combat in Underworld given how basic the gunplay was. They were bloody amazing games though, I just think the new games brought a much needed overhaul to the gameplay, although it lost some of the series identity (RoTR brought some of it back).
When people think back to the old Tomb Raider games I still can't believe people focus on the 1997 games and not the amazing trilogy we got last gen. Those games seem to be forgotten :'(
MisterR
Member
Not even close. With the shit lag Uncharted 4 runs circles around it gameplay wise.
The perfect Dark
Banned
I hope it's better than ROTTR because the pacing of this game was awful.
pretty done
Member
Maybe he played the PC version, which has no lag and better controls via mouse/keyboard. Uncharted at 60fps on mouse/keyboard would probably blow it away, but we'll never know!
WickedLaharl
Member
i managed to finish rottr even with the input lag but uc4 bored me to tears and will probably never get beaten ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
They fixed the input lag and the tools you have at your disposal for the combat arenas really run circles around uncharted. ND promoted stealth gameplay yet provided literally one way to quietly dispose of enemies and thanks to the focus on the story over player agency you only ever have the set of tools that ND want you to have, I mean, in TR you're a straight up predator.
They only need to make some small adjustments, like not using cinematic camera angles for stealth kills.
Jimmyfenix
Member
Ah yes the team that couldn't finish mankind divided
NightShift
Member
Jesus Christ, and I thought Rise of the Tomb Raider was the worst title they could come up with. But Eidos Montreal makes this look fake.
grosvenor_92
Member
It being something else is most likely the case if its actually a thing and the name to me suggests its some sort of stealth game.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
The stealth in the game is a joke. Even that little clip highlights it.
Gavin Darklighter
Banned
dear eidos,
rhianna pratchett? this woman?:
you don't want her writing the script. trust me
I respect her since she's Terry Prachetts daughter and all that but the script for Tomb Raider 2013 was terrible and I really don't want her to come back. Why do they even need a big name writer just so it old school style and let the dev team build a story around the game they want to make?
The fact that Crystal Dynamics sold Square on Xbone exclusivity and flushed hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of sales down the toilet may have had repercussions though.
Mr. Smiley
Member
with a title like that, i hope new lara goes full psycho
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
If the stealth in Rise of A Tomb Raider is a joke what does that mean for UC4's barebones stealth mechanics, (literally no silenced weapons or distraction options whatsoever), which isn't anywhere near as complex and way more forgiving than the stealth in TR? ND did stealth better in their last game ffs. Try using an actual argument instead of short phrases like "joke" which mean literally nothing in the context of game critique because you're too lazy to do anything but use a catch all phrase for a game that was xbox exclusive.
texhnolyze
Banned
With that title, she's gonna deal with her past, perhaps? Or maybe an assassin who is after her?
Yup. This is my take on this as well.
Yup. This is my take on this as well.
brandonh83
Banned
Titles don't mean a whole lot, but I thought Rise of the Tomb Raider was a lame title as well. At least it's consistent?
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
For the most part, agreed (though not as far as greatest all time anything).
Modernly, they are at the top of the action adventure genre in my book.
It's only big weakness has really been it's story and characters. They've done a very solid job with Lara, but everyone else has been very cliche and paper thin. Hard to get emotionally invested in them.
After 4 Uncharted games, that series needs a real shake up. It has superior characters and settings but the gameplay feels really steeped in the past so kind of falling behind there
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Stealth is a joke. Not GOAT in gameplay in any way. Get off Uncharted's nuts.
PinkCrayon
Member
I thought ROTTR was a lame name when first announced, but it really grew on me. This sounds like a pretty good title to me.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
So you literally can't say anything besides joke? Wow ok, thanks for proving my point. Also, in your haste to shitpost, you misread my post, which specifically said:
I didn't call it the GOAT, I said it's fantastic. In terms of gameplay, UC4 doesnt' even come close, hell, even the first tomb raider had small moments of game design brilliance that most players wouldn't notice since it's such a passive and clever way to teach players about a mechanic they'd encounter later in the game. Also what's with the nuts thing? I'm not vehemently defending uncharted and outlining what makes Tomb Raider good pretty succinctly. I dont' even know why we're having this discussion when I know that the issue that you have isn't with ROTR's gameplay at all, but the fact that it was an xb1 exclusive. In fact, in your own words, you aren't even playing it until it's used and less than $20. So please duck out and stop wasting my time with your nonsense unless you're actually interested in discussing the gameplay.
wonderfuldays
Member
PC day 1 for sure
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I never said Uncharted 4 was the greatest in gameplay(it's great game though and rated quite higher than Rise) so why you are comparing them why? Because of the same reason you accuse me of hating on it? If you think it can be the GOAT with few tweaks that obviously means you think it is pretty close now. Disagree.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I didn't bring up the comparison in the first place. Someone else did, with a post that didn't really say anything about the underlying systems of either game. I responded with a short post explaining why I disagree and what the advantages TR has over UC in the gameplay department and how it could be even better, you responded with a post that says nothing about a game that you haven't actually played or have any interest in buying.
ForkNetwork
Banned
dear eidos,
rhianna pratchett? this woman?:
you don't want her writing the script. trust me
Yep, agree 100%, I've got nothing about a woman writing a videogame script, but Pratchett cant do likeable characters, interesting plots, or believable dialogue to save her life.
The title of an unannounced game isn't necessarily indicative of what they'll finally go with. Plenty of products have a working title that's finally replaced leading up to the public announcement.
I think there was some improvement for sure, or maybe the supporting cast just delivered the lines better in Rise. Either way, whoever is writing needs to tighten up what they want to do with the game's tone and Lara's character.
wesleyshark
Banned
I really don't see what's wrong with this title.
There is that one DLC pack for Tomb Raider Underworld that most people didn't play since it was a 360 exclusive called Lara's Shadow, so I guess this isn't too far off from that.
Eidos Montreal working on this while CD mostly focuses on a new IP is something I could get behind if true. CD has been on TR for far too long, it would be nice for them to move on to something new.
Eidos Montreal working on this while CD mostly focuses on a new IP is something I could get behind if true. CD has been on TR for far too long, it would be nice for them to move on to something new.
Lion Heart
Banned
Can we stop with the collecting shit? Its tedious and annoying and just adds fluff to the core game. Also they really need to work on the gunplay, the AK is the worst shooting AK I've ever felt. Hit reaction is poor, stealth is too easy (literally run behind everyone at a very fast pace and choke them to death), throw a bottle to kill two guys in seconds. The game does nothing great, some things ok (environments) and a lot of things poor.
I haven't even mentioned the writing and story.
I haven't even mentioned the writing and story.
Wait Eidos Montreal? Now this is news. Just depends on Deus Ex team or Thief team.
I couldn't have said this better myself.
I couldn't have said this better myself.
Yeah, they've got their issues but they should be remembered more fondly :s
Bioshocker
Member
Gosh, all this anger. Just let it out.
There is no longer a "Thief Team". A lot of them have moved to the Deus Ex team.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
After the first two? Day 1 baby!
I'm sure he realises that the Thief team stopped working on Thief after Thief was released and is simply using the moniker to refer to the people who worked on Thief.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Now, I know it's just a rumor but still, why on earth they've outsourced the new game to Eidos Montreal? I really don't think that it's a good idea at all.
Cave Johnson
Member
How to name Nu - tomb Raider titles:
"(Insert noun/verb/adj) of the Tomb Raider"
"(Insert noun/verb/adj) of the Tomb Raider"
According to Jason, now two teams are working on two games? So...this is confirmed a franchise now ala COD? I hope they know what they are doing...
I was expecting a definitive trilogy by CD and then giving the IP a rest, but i guess that wasn't in the plans..
I was expecting a definitive trilogy by CD and then giving the IP a rest, but i guess that wasn't in the plans..
Gamer @ Heart
Member
CD sold SE on the idea? What the fuck.
That's not how the power in this industy flows and works. The check Microsoft was willing to write and the developer who was more than happy to only have to develop a single version of a sequel in 18 months were both part of the deal.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Still so funny to me that people are like "Lara has no personality anymore"
Lara Croft never had a personality, she had big breasts which a lot of people seemed to confuse for a personality. There was literally nothing to her before, she would just spout witty quips as she went around killing everything and people got tired of it by the time Underworld came around which is why it flopped. The nostalgia vision is strong.
Lara Croft never had a personality, she had big breasts which a lot of people seemed to confuse for a personality. There was literally nothing to her before, she would just spout witty quips as she went around killing everything and people got tired of it by the time Underworld came around which is why it flopped. The nostalgia vision is strong.
Bioshocker
Member
It certainy is. Tomb Raider was an amazing game back in 1996 (and long after), but it had nothing do to with Laras "personality". It had to do with 3D graphics, puzzles, level design, soundtrack etc.
For me ROTTR is a game with a modern Lara, a game that both feels "Tomb Raider" and up to date at the same time.
(Sorry, you haters out there.)
That's true. The game's entire draw point was the gameplay, which was essentially tank controls and poorly designed platforming(which was still novel at the time)
BluenoseGames
Member
You could probably come up with a better story too.