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[Night.Ninja]

Since its open market the price will come down, especially when NVME 5.0 drives come out.

We can hope for the best but thats not how it always works

 

[Investor9872]

My beloved Vita didn't survive mainly because of Sony's stupid and outrageous price for the proprietary memory card. I hope the XSX can use existing HHD to transfer games back and forth, and not just lock everyone in to their proprietary hard drive expansion. That would be suicidal.

 

[Panajev2001a]

We can hope for the best but thats not how it always works

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[ghairat]

What, did people really expect it to be cheaper? Come on

 

[Night.Ninja]

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So what price are you expecting these PS5 certified drives to cost? considering they have to be 7GB+ speed and fit the PS5 bay?

 

[kuncol02]

Sony isn't having an official one made so it's hard to have one that costs double when you aren't making one to begin with.

I bet they will have official branded ones. Even if not then SSD with specs enough for PS5 could easily be >400$

 

[Kagey K]

So what price are you expecting these PS5 certified drives to cost? considering they have to be 7GB+ speed and fit the PS5 bay?

Stop with the FUD only MS will charge money for memory.

 

[fermcr]

I don't think Microsoft are this stupid... are they?

 

[kuncol02]

There is no Sony one... proprietary vs open market and all that jazz .

It's not open. Sony still need to certify them.

 

[HUELEN10]

1. I’d be surprised if it wasn’t at least 180 USD. This is a proprietary SSD with the same performance as an internal one, and the price is not out of line with other external offerings.

2.Nobody NEEDS this, not even S users. If you already have an Xbox then chances are you are invested in a lot of games by now, probably over 2TB, and have an external HDD. You probably even run everything off the external. Even an S user should be able to put no fewer than 3 games on the internal SSD for quick access, a favorite plus the ones you are currently working on, the rest on your HDD ready to be swapped out. Mild inconvenience? Yes, but no different than the SD card solution on Wii. It’s really a luxury item, only NEED it if you want dozens of games ready to be played immediately at any one time without having to wait to copy to the SSD.

3. If you’re NOT invested in Xbox already and are worried about bandwidth caps and have gamepass or buy a lot of games, an HDD is cheap and a smarter option anyways.

No reason to freak out. If price and capacity is that much of a concern, just get an external HDD like everyone else.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

How fast are NVME SSDs compared to SATA SSDs? Also, do they suffer from less latency? I have only a SATA SSD, which is a Samsung EVO 500GB unit; however, my motherboard (Asus X99 Deluxe) came with PCIe 3.0 expansion cards, one of which is for M.2. NVME devices. I've never used it and am thinking about finally doing so.

SATA 6 caps at about 750 MB/S, cheapo nvmes like the wd blue hit 2400 MB/S. Top of the line nvmes like Samsungs top at 3500MB/S.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

SATA 6 caps at about 750 MB/S, cheapo nvmes like the wd blue hit 2400 MB/S. Top of the line nvmes like Samsungs top at 3500MB/S.

Would I notice any real-world difference in boot time and program loading with an NVME ("cheapo" and top of the line) relative to my EVO?

 

[Panajev2001a]

So what price are you expecting these PS5 certified drives to cost? considering they have to be 7GB+ speed and fit the PS5 bay?

You made a broad statement about price behaviour of open market solutions and specifically flash based ones not consistent with the historic precedent of either... hence my “?”... it is > 5.5 GB/s not >= 7+ GB/s, why do you spread this misinformation?

 

[Panajev2001a]

It's not open. Sony still need to certify them.

You are really grasping at straws here .

 

[llien]

Expensive fast SSD memory is.

/dreams about optical drive accessory

 

[Boss Mog]

Wait until Sony's cost double that amount.

Sony will let you use off the shelf compliant SSDs so in theory they should be cheaper than proprietary solutions. Though to be compliant they will need to be very fast and those fast drives may cost a lot the first few years.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Would I notice any real-world difference in boot time and program loading with an NVME ("cheapo" and top of the line) relative to my EVO?

I went from spinners to nvmes so I don't have hands on experience...

 

[Allandor]

PS5 games quite possibly will be more/better compressed since we now know it will be using oodle kracken and oodle texture kraken.

well ... there it is again. The Kraken thing. Kraken would be much better if the comparison format would be uncompressed. But kraken is only a small margin better (if you're lucky maybe 10% overall). Oddle also works with every other loseless compression format (not just kraken). There are also other texture-compression formats (like oodle) that reduce the quality of the texture but make it better "compressable". Oddle & kraken are currently one of the best combinations you can have, but only by a small margin better than others. We talk about really small percentages here. It is not like oodle & kraken reduces the textuers in half why the other formats just get the original sizes. This is not how that how that works.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

I went from spinners to nvmes so I don't have hands on experience...

Well, damn. That's one hell of a transition. In addition to my Samsung EVO SSD, I'm still using three spinners: Western Digital Blue 4TBs and 6TBs, and Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB.

 

[Three]

I hope that’s either fake or a placeholder because that’s a bit too expensive for a single gig.



Actually it kind of is proprietary since you really can’t put just any kind of SSD(or HDD obviously) inside the PS5, and there really aren’t many if any at all that’s PCiE 4 on the market.

There is no such thing as kind of proprietary. It's a standard nvme x4 slot. If it meets the min spec or not doesn’t make it proprietary.

 

[kuncol02]

You are really grasping at straws here .

Nah. You think all SSDs will be tested? That Sonys certificate will not give them +10% to price (or even more)?

 

[INC]

So consumer friendly

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Well, damn. That's one hell of a transition. In addition to my Samsung EVO SSD, I'm still using three spinners: Western Digital Blue 4TBs and 6TBs, and Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB.

It was magical.

I use laptops and it was like ooooh aaaah!

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Nah. You think all SSDs will be tested? That Sonys certificate will not give them +10% to price (or even more)?

They won't be sold with a Sony stamp. What will happen most likely is that Sony will have a list of drives they've tested on their website and that they certify that barring manufacturer defect comply with ps5 drive specifications.

The way things are looking, you'll be charged double market price for this proprietary Xbox expansion drives, which was to be expected.

 

[Topfuel]

Sony w

So what price are you expecting these PS5 certified drives to cost? considering they have to be 7GB+ speed and fit the PS5 bay?

69.99 USD for 4 TB.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Yikes.

1.5tb xss is 520$ and 1tb xsx is 500$ with 3 x power and much more ram

 

[Tiamat2san]

In my mind it would between $ 149 and $199.
I hope it’s $149 max.

 

[INC]

They won't be sold with a Sony stamp. What will happen most likely is that Sony will have a list of drives they've tested on their website and that they certify that barring manufacturer defect comply with ps5 drive specifications.

The way things are looking, you'll be charged double market price for this proprietary Xbox expansion drives, which was to be expected.

Xbx s vita edition

 

[kuncol02]

They won't be sold with a Sony stamp. What will happen most likely is that Sony will have a list of drives they've tested on their website and that they certify that barring manufacturer defect comply with ps5 drive specifications.

The way things are looking, you'll be charged double market price for this proprietary Xbox expansion drives, which was to be expected.

They will be branded, or at least have information on box about being PS5 compatible. No sane company would omit that information.
For now Xbox expansion card is not twice as expensive as SSD.

Yikes.

1.5tb xss is 520$ and 1tb xsx is 500$ with 3 x power and much more ram

And 2tb XSX with additional gamepad is 790$. What stupid comparision is that?

 

[VN1X]

I like how people are reacting to this like its a confirmed price. Remain calm.

Nonsense. We must be outraged right this instance!

 

[LazyParrot]

I don't know what people expected. 1 TB PCIe 4.0 SSDs are around $175-200 as it is, $220 is a realistic price for a proprietary solution.

 

[sendit]

I don't know what people expected. 1 TB PCIe 4.0 SSDs are around $175-200 as it is, $220 is a realistic price for a proprietary solution.

Given that the speed of XSX’s SSD is lower than PCIe 3.0 spec, the pricing makes zero sense.

 

[LazyParrot]

Given that the speed of XSX’s SSD is lower than PCIe 3.0 spec, the pricing makes zero sense.

Wow, I had no idea it was that shitty.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

For now Xbox expansion card is not twice as expensive as SSD.

1tb 2400mb nvmes go for 100 bucks, if that price is final, we're talking over twice as expensive.

 

[vito_don_corleone_]

1TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 drives cost at least $190. Don't understand why this price would be impossible then?

 

[Pallas]

There is no such thing as kind of proprietary. It's a standard nvme x4 slot. If it meets the min spec or not doesn’t make it proprietary.

You completely missed the entire point. I know “kind of” proprietary doesn’t exist but it doesn’t mean one cannot act like one. These devices aren’t going to be cheap nor will they be flooding the market anytime soon.

 

[M1chl]

1TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 drives cost at least $190. Don't understand why this price would be impossible then?

Yeah well exactly, however they are falling fast, this is not going to fall so quickly and that's why it's a problem...

 

[Lestat Phoenix]

I am sure we have dozens of GameStop employees on these forums. This legit (if possibly placeholder) or not?

It's going to be 149.00

 

[Panajev2001a]

Nah. You think all SSDs will be tested? That Sonys certificate will not give them +10% to price (or even more)?

No, I do not think Sony will certify all units and this is more like “SonyToo” F.U.D. than anything, I think you know that too.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

1TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 drives cost at least $190. Don't understand why this price would be impossible then?

Xbox SSD doesn't even fully saturate PCI 3.

 

[FranXico]

Wait for the Sony one....those vita memory cards sure were value

Sony cards won't be proprietary. There will be competing manufacturers.

 

[vito_don_corleone_]

Xbox SSD doesn't even fully saturate PCI 3.

Yes but it's also a small factor one which requires higher density chips. Which is more like this:

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Yes but it's also a small factor one which requires higher density chips. Which is more like this:

You can find them for less, Sabrent Rocket os a premium brand of fast SSDs.

But sure, they're a bit more expensive than standard size. You're still looking at double the price instead of more than double...

 

[Birdo]

It will be £90 at most.

It would be much cheaper to use an external HDD and just swap in whatever games you are currently playing.

 

[M1chl]

You can find them for less, Sabrent Rocket os a premium brand of fast SSDs.

But sure, they're a bit more expensive than standard size. You're still looking at double the price instead of more than double...

Couldn't be that fast when DRAM-less. Even with that Host Memory Buffer, it adds latency. Well it could be as fast with sequential read, however in random, that's where they start to show problems.

 

[baphomet]

Xbox SSD doesn't even fully saturate PCI 3.

Doesn't mean anything since it's pcie 4.0

Sony w


69.99 USD for 4 TB.

What are you even talking about?
No, there are not 4TB PS5 compatible drives, let alone for $70.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Doesn't mean anything since it's pcie 4.0

The console motherboard might support PCI 4 but the standard supports PCI 3 peripherals. I looked around and saw no controller specs for the Xbox drive and since the specified bandwidth doesn't require PCI 4, I think it's likely it will be a PCI 3 drive as a cost saving measure.

If you have sources that indicate that the drive is indeed PCI 4, please share them.

 

[pawel86ck]

This expansion SSD is not necessary. People who dont want re-download games can use standard and cheap HDDs to store their games there.

 

[baphomet]

The console motherboard might support PCI 4 but the standard supports PCI 3 peripherals. I looked around and saw no controller specs for the Xbox drive and since the specified bandwidth doesn't require PCI 4, I think it's likely it will be a PCI 3 drive as a cost saving measure.

If you have sources that indicate that the drive is indeed PCI 4, please share them.

Its literally on the Seagate website and was known since it was announced.

Flash Memory

Custom PCIe Gen4x2 NVMe

 

[MightySquirrel]

Console gamers will lap this up. It's only half the console price .