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[Rumour] MS France: 36.2 Millions of Xbox One sold worldwide
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I actually wonder about China. China is the second biggest market for Surface. MS has had a presence there for like 25 years. I have no idea what Sony or MS does there for consoles. I imaged nothing compared to PC.
LordRaptor
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Almost 20% of your LTD sales being stock sat on shelves is pretty insane levels of channel stuffing
Nope, we get the occassional numbers from big European markets like Spain, France, Germany and Italy. In those markets the Xbox One is performing very badly compared to PS4, +5:1. There's really nowhere that Xbox One can gain so high numbers from.
Retailers will not buy that many consoles into the channels.
LukasTaves
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No, people use the 30m estimation to gauge if the numbers of hours Ms gave matched that study.
From the looks of those slides this is a presentation for investors/developers, so they are announcing it to the folks that needs those numbers.
MisterR
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This is such extreme ignorance of sales both last and this generation. Impressive.
Majmun
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A $499 console is totally going to close the gap
Sony can stop selling the Ps4 and MS will still have trouble reaching 60mln consoles sold.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Without a doubt, Microsoft has never released sold-through data. Should put them at 34 million sold through. Which is possible (nine million a year plus One S boost).
Wow, some people are delusional. So MS must sell 25 million in a year and Sony 0 consoles in order for that to happen.
Their Halo 2 and Kinect Adventures numbers add up exactly to chartz numbers. Kinect Adventures also seems to have the official number of 24 million while they use 21.9 million which is chartz' number. The Halo 2 number definitely seems off too but I'm struggling to find something more official.
I swear this 30 million figure has been thrown around for like the last two years
Surely it has to go up from that some time? They aren't selling 0 consoles per month.
McMoneyman
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To be honest the second the PS4 Slim becomes $199, it's over. I mean it's virtually over already.
Agreed. From the data that salesgaf has compiled and tracked over the last several years, these numbers are significantly higher than most worldwide estimates. They are either incorrect or shipped. It's incredibly unlikely they are sold-through.
It ain't gonna hurt it by any means.
Microsoft is going to sell at least 30 million $499 consoles in one year. Yes. Definitely.
Salty Rice
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No way.
Especially with their lacking first party games and the fact that its still the Xbone brand does not help either.
The shit from 2013 haunts them to this day.
Banjo-Kazooie
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You don't have to believe their financial reports if you don't want to I guess
ClosingADoor
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Interesting. So is this companies just not upgrading their Windows anymore, or consumers buying less PCs/laptops so there are less Windows licenses sold through hardware vendors?
Ryu Hayabusa
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Congrats MS
What's over? The console warz sales?
If you mean Xbox will ever catch Sony this generation you are correct. No fucking way.
MaulerX
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Believe it or not they make a ton from Android with all the royalty deals they struck with a ton of companies that use their patents etc...
hanspampel
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McMoneyman
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Yeah sales-wise.
Yeah because Ms never tried to spin the numbers
InsaneTiger
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Patent licensing! Of course.
Primethius
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For peoples estimates of Xbox One sales to be off, the console would have to be less than 50% share in the US vs. the world. That seems almost impossible.
Nope. The last official figure we had was 84 million in June 2014 so these numbers don't seem off base at all.
Also worth noting the last official figure Microsoft gave on OG Xbox was just 24m so these are slightly higher. This looks legit imo.
Through June 30, 2009 Xbox 360 was at 31.5m so Xbox One is still ahead. Of course in 2010 360 had it's casual boom with the Kinect and Netflix combo driving sales so we'll have to see if One can keep it's lead or not. My guess is no unless One X is an unexpectedly significant driver.
Dee Dah Dave
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Whatever happens they should get out of this gen with a very healthy install base to push on with to the next. From the disaster of the launch period I think that shows Xbox is very alive and well and not closing shop any minute now!
Gotdatmoney
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Are we assumning that MS is just lying about the number of consoles they have shipped?
LukasTaves
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Don't know about numbers, but xbone is relatively big here in Brazil.
Sony prices, for both console and games are higher, and IIRC, it was said a few years ago that Brazil even surpassed UK.
I wouldn't doubt if there is at least 1 million xbones in brazil alone.
Well the thing is people have npd numbers for Sony, and Sony is ahead of microsoft in the US by around 2 million, not only that, they have the number of consoles sold in Europe, and if you combine the data the estimate is around 28 to 31 million. MS is dead in Japan, they have sold like 50k consoles there, this report claims they have sold 36, so either they mean shipped, which is still a bit too high or MS has a secret market which is bigger than the UK one which was(is) considered their second biggest market.
wapplew
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Don't forget New Zealand.
LukasTaves
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I honestly have no idea about the first part, but the second part definitely happened, and still is.
Likely it's both, with some business moving to linux, schools to chromebooks etc.
LelouchZero
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I can believe this number and it's unfortunately really low in comparison to the PS4.
The Xbox console franchise has struggled quite a lot this gen, they screwed really bad at the start which still has left it's mark on the Xbox console franchise.
It's significantly different compared to what happened in the last console generation where the 360 led out of the two, and Nintendo was on top, but I dont think the 360 lead by an amount as significant as the PS4 is doing now.
The Xbox console franchise has struggled quite a lot this gen, they screwed really bad at the start which still has left it's mark on the Xbox console franchise.
It's significantly different compared to what happened in the last console generation where the 360 led out of the two, and Nintendo was on top, but I dont think the 360 lead by an amount as significant as the PS4 is doing now.
Yeah because Ms never tried to spin the numbers
You can't spin a sales number like this. It must be either true or it is an error.
And those are still shipped numbers, so "sold through" probably would be at 32m or so. That's better than expected but not too much away from the 2:1 for PS4 in sold through sales.
gundamkyoukai
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Brazil surpassed the UK in what ?
Can't be consoles sold cause PS4 and XB1 have sold way over 1 million there.
https://jogos.uol.com.br/ultimas-no...al-videogame-e-mais-popular-no-brasil.amp.htm
PS4 - 19%
XBO - 12%
Here in Brazil, PS4 is bigger than XBO
Rumblebones
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The 360 still outsold the PS3 by the time next gen started.
Regardless, Microsoft can't replicate what Sony did because they're simply not equipped for it.
Last gen, they had a product that launched a year earlyier, that was cheaper and was better for third party games. They also had the benefit of a strong brand name with 360 and were aggressively pushing their first party lineups.
Sony managed to comeback because they made it all about what people really cared about: games. They adopted better policies and services and gave a tremendous first party output that remained consistent. While the 360 was a beast, first party did ramp down on Microsoft's end, whereas Sony did not stop pushing until the very end, utilising every resource to offer gamers the best experiences they could offer.
Xbox does not have the benefit of being a beloved brand worldwide. It does not have the benefit of a stellar and diverse first party stable supporting the platform. It does not have the benefit of being run by people that understand the market - I mean really understand beyond allaying fears and concerns with insincere lip service, and know what it'll really take to earn back the trust of consumers.
This generation was lost to Microsoft before it even started, and I don't think they ever deserved to win it back, despite Sony making some frustrating decisions.
Next generation might be a different question but I still expect Sony to win so long as Microsoft refuses to learn all the lessons it needs to learn and sticks to them.
hanspampel
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Yeah because Ms never tried to spin the numbers
the difference is non GAAP and GAAP numbers
$6.6bn deferred revenue associated with Windows 10 in 2016
those numbers are from a survey and include imported consoles
that are no sales numbers
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Yes, that was known since the last quarterly report. Windows has become really small, Office, Cloud, then Xbox are the main drivers.
So I guess we underestimated how well Xbox was doing outside of North America, I guess places like South America are maybe doing well for them? It seems they are official numbers that come from Microsofts website apparently, only MS would know all those sales numbers. It seems the ps3 did eventually outsell the 360 going by those numbers.
Edit: people saying one could outsell ps4, how would that be possible even 360 that was the dominate console last gen was outsold by ps3. One doesn't have anywhere near the market hold of 360, especially compared to ps4s gained market hold compared to last gen. It's impossible, could they have a far smaller gap then we thought by the end of this gen? maybe.
Edit: people saying one could outsell ps4, how would that be possible even 360 that was the dominate console last gen was outsold by ps3. One doesn't have anywhere near the market hold of 360, especially compared to ps4s gained market hold compared to last gen. It's impossible, could they have a far smaller gap then we thought by the end of this gen? maybe.
Eh. I'd argue they kind of already have the past couple of years with growing XBL, One S, One X, BC and it's overall eco-system.
MaulerX
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But why would they be comparing shipped numbers (XBO) with the sale thru numbers of OG Xbox and 360? We definitely need more clarification on this.
Seems to me that the system is just doing a little better than people thought and there's definitely more parts of the world that we are not accounting for.
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