Rumour: PS5 Devkits have released (UPDATE 25th April : 7nm chips moving to mass production)

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Seems we’re going to get PS5 teases all year long.



Further rumour of potential specs-

Quick Summary of Playstation 5 article:

-Uses AMD's Navi as its base architecture, not specifically using Navi.
-CPU is custom Zen
-Large amount of devkits have apparently gone out.
-Author suggests 2018 release of PS5 is not out of the question based on the amount of devkits released
-VR "goodies" baked in at the Silicon level.
More info, from digging all around:

  • Not simply Zen based, but still 8 core (!)
  • "Navi based microarchitecture" might be in line with how Pro has "Vega microarchitecture" a feature or two
  • Navi based GPUs poised to strike Q4/2018 (yeeehaaaa if true, very unexpected)
  • Speculates Q4/2018 or Q1/2019 PS5 launch

I think we can now speak with good certainty that PS5 devkits are indeed out.

Semiaccurate's history looks quite good on console front, nailed it with Switch, as well as final PS4 specs before the release.
https://semiaccurate.com/2018/04/03/semiacccurate-gets-playstation-5next-details/

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Kotaku article on this being unlikely to be soon.

7nm chips moving to mass production

The Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company has started high volume production of chips using the 7nm process technology.
The fact that these chips are now being created in ‘high volume’ suggests that they’ve got big buyer ready to snap them up!
There’s further clues that these are the chips being used for PS5. In a financial conference call, President of TMCS C. C. Wei mentions “gaming”
This may well be AMD’s next generation of graphics chips called Navi, and it’s rumoured that the PS4 CPU will be powered by AMD’s Zen 2.
https://www.psu.com/news/ps5-progress-may-be-boosted-with-top-news-from-chip-manufacturer/
 
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So, Sony is not waiting for 7nm (which is in one year)..
Very surprised.

What is Marcus Sellars known for?
 
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This seems twelve months ahead of schedule to me (at least). I would personally hope for a larger differential in performance from this gen than what will be available for a 2019 launch. Either way, I can't to see what the Sony team of engineers can do for the next iteration of the platform. Hopefully we'll begin to get some early spec leaks in the coming months. I always love hardware speculation threads.
 
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2019 release is looking more and more likely.
The next gen consoles coming already? Jeeze this Generation flew by. The Xbox 360/PS3 generation seemed to drag on and on.

How trustworthy is this guy. He seems like a random guy spouting things.
The seventh gen was the blacksheep of the gens it seems. Because the sixth gen only lasted about four or five years (360 came out 4 years after the og xbox for example) and the ps2 came out, what? Three years after the ps1?
8 years was too damn long for a generation.
 
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So, Sony is not waiting for 7nm (which is in one year)
Making idiotic business decisions is firmly in Sony DNA (and I say this as someone who has very much enjoyed PS4 this gen, updated to a Pro even), but surely even they are not that stupid?

Unless the dev kits are 14nm and the eventual consoles are 7nm, but I don't quite see that working either.
 
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I find this very hard to believe. With the X1 just dropped PS has no financial reason to rush out PS5, doing so would ensure they get annihilated specs wise when the next xbox comes out.
 
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I think that a new GPU and a decent not mobile garbage CPU like the current is enough for 4k/60fps even with checker.

Im no engineer but if its kind of close with the current setup I dont see why a 2019 console isnt capable of doing it.
And performance-wise thats all anyone needs.

Plus, Japan Olypmics 2020 would be great worldwide advertisement for Sony(so Novermber '19 makes even more sense)
 
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Guessing there’s no information on what spec the devkits are yet?

I’m curious, if they’re using AMD components again, what exactly are their options there? The X1X GPU is in the ballpark of a 580. A midrange (albeit heavily overpriced card in today’s market).
Besides that, they have the Vega 56 and Vega 64, both higher end cards and surely too expensive for a presumably $399 system.
And there’s the question of whether either of those will truly be enough to power 4K gaming and offer a large enough leap in visual fidelity over of current consoles.

Hell, even increasing the RAM from 8Gb to 12 or 16Gb will have a significant impact on price unless RAM production ramps up and prices drop in time for PS5’s to go into mass production.
 

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So, Sony is not waiting for 7nm (which is in one year)..
Very surprised.

What is Marcus Sellars known for?
Then again other people are taking about the first year or so of 7nm being quite expensive (and not exactly defect free ;)) so not exactly what you want to use to launch a brand new SoC (pushing the limits of the process quite a bit) with and relying on third party foundries.
 
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They need 2 models right from the start, if they don't they're stupid. A lot of people are willing to pay $799 or more for a PlayStation that will run all games at 60fps. Don't give me the "buy a PC" line; there's a lot of people who are heavily invested in the PlayStation ecosystem, that want physical games, that want to play multiplayer with a controller in a closed environment without rampant cheaters. Sony should look to Apple who has people lining up to buy $1000 phone every year. Don't neglect the high end, that's where the best profit margins are. People that don't wish to spend that much for a console can just get the $399 base model that will play games at 30fps for the most part.
 

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I find this very hard to believe. With the X1 just dropped PS has no financial reason to rush out PS5, doing so would ensure they get annihilated specs wise when the next xbox comes out.
A 2019 release does not say rushed out to me and waiting for your product to be cold is not a good business idea. PS3 to PS4 transition followed a similar pattern and proved to be successful both for PS4 and PS3 which enjoyed great late cycle releases and sold tons of software.
 
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uhhhh....what?

im going to assume by devkits he means just "expected specs" because if not wow...would actually kinda feel bad for Pro owners, you obviously jump in knowing you wont get THAT much time until a new gen but less than 2 years and people are already getting PS5 devkits? ouch. Wonder how the Xbox timeline is looking, something tells me its gonna be the year after.

Anyone know how far in advance devs got PS4 and Xbox One? Games take time so I imagine at the minimum 2 years in advance. 2020 dream lives on (maybe.)
 
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im going to assume by devkits he means just "expected specs" because if not wow...would actually kinda feel bad for Pro owners, you obviously jump in knowing you wont get THAT much time until a new gen but less than 2 years and people are already getting PS5 devkits? ouch.
Well the pro was always marketed as a mid-generation refresh, so if the PS5 releases 2-3 years after the Pro, it would still be consistent with that claim.
 

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They need 2 models right from the start, if they don't they're stupid. A lot of people are willing to pay $799 or more for a PlayStation that will run all games at 60fps. Don't give me the "buy a PC" line; there's a lot of people who are heavily invested in the PlayStation ecosystem, that want physical games, that want to play multiplayer with a controller in a closed environment without rampant cheaters. Sony should look to Apple who has people lining up to buy $1000 phone every year. Don't neglect the high end, that's where the best profit margins are. People that don't wish to spend that much for a console can just get the $399 base model that will play games at 30fps for the most part.
It took a lot more time and a product in demand that not even the Wii and PS2 combined could touch to do what Apple is doing. Thinking you can do what they did and achieve the same success easily is naive IMHO and likely a recipe for business disaster :/.

I think people would fill headlines with “(the real) PS5 is $799” and it would be worse than their two SKU’s at the PS3’s launch.
 
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A 2019 release does not say rushed out to me and waiting for your product to be cold is not a good business idea. PS3 to PS4 transition followed a similar pattern and proved to be successful both for PS4 and PS3 which enjoyed great late cycle releases and sold tons of software.
Putting out a new product when your rival is in no position to, when you are in the lead is not good business.
 
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Well the pro was always marketed as a mid-generation refresh, so if the PS5 releases 2-3 years after the Pro, it would still be consistent with that claim.
True which is why i said buying into it you more than likely knew it was going to be replaced soonish. taking it back tho I shouldnt have said that because like you said 2-3 makes sense when thats what the idea they pushed was. What im curious is about is the Xbox timeline.
 
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True which is why i said buying into it you more than likely knew it was going to be replaced soonish. taking it back tho I shouldnt have said that because like you said 2-3 makes sense when thats what the idea they pushed was. What im curious is about is the Xbox timeline.
Sony should launch after Microsoft launches its next Xbox. It's still unseen however if MS will treat the X like a next generation machine at some point. I doubt it since CPU's still hold thes mid-gen hardware back.

They are market leader by a fair margin and with a ton of momentum and exclusive software to carry it thru the tail end of its lifecycle which leads me to believe this momentum will continue or improve once it hits a standard $199'pricepoint, which it hasn't yet.

I still foresee a 2021 release at the earliest. But who knows; if more rumors pop up I'll probably change my tune but I'll be disappointed if Sony doesn't launch with superior hardware over its competitors for next gen.
 
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Sony should launch after Microsoft launches its next Xbox. It's still unseen however if MS will treat the X like a next generation machine at some point. I doubt it since CPU's still hold thes mid-gen hardware back.

They are market leader by a fair margin and with a ton of momentum and exclusive software to carry it thru the tail end of its lifecycle which leads me to believe this momentum will continue or improve once it hits a standard $199'pricepoint, which it hasn't yet.

I still foresee a 2021 release at the earliest. But who knows; if more rumors pop up I'll probably change my tune but I'll be disappointed if Sony doesn't launch with superior hardware over its competitors for next gen.
MS imo currently has the hand up regarding launching with newer hardware just because there last release has been the most recent. Also dont think MS is interested in being the lower part of the power stuff which floods everything the first couple years.
 
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They need 2 models right from the start, if they don't they're stupid. A lot of people are willing to pay $799 or more for a PlayStation that will run all games at 60fps. Don't give me the "buy a PC" line; there's a lot of people who are heavily invested in the PlayStation ecosystem, that want physical games, that want to play multiplayer with a controller in a closed environment without rampant cheaters. Sony should look to Apple who has people lining up to buy $1000 phone every year. Don't neglect the high end, that's where the best profit margins are. People that don't wish to spend that much for a console can just get the $399 base model that will play games at 30fps for the most part.
Does this business model work for sony and gaming in general?

Isn't apple more of an outlier in this regard? I surely wouldnt buy the "normal" PS5 if both are introduced at the same time. Imho im not sure if "splitting" your userbase is a good way to go in the gaming sector. But maybe im wrong :)
 
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People that is normal the devkits will change a lot they are only testing stuff with it.Sony is not that stupid to not go with 7 nm.That would mean the end for PlayStation 5 when the next Xbox would come after a year or so there would be a major difference way more than x one and pro every gamer would choose Xbox for all 3rd Partie games.Playstation 4 got stuff in the graphiccard befor AMDs mainstream cards Sony is testing when 7 nm is ready they will change the devkits maybe they have early 7 nm samples only trusted big 3 parties got them probably.They will also change the cpu and graphiccard because it’s all AMD.Like I said not being on 7 nm means the death for PlayStation 5 early in next gen because it wont be a small difference.Power is king in console gaming when you are not Nintendo and the biggest and most wanted games are allways 3rd Partie.
 
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Aren't the 1st model of dev kits just a PC with approximate specs made with off the shelf parts?
About BC, is it possible (theoretically, at least) that a Ps4 game can receive a patch on ps5 to run natively with improvements (because of having x86 architecture too) , instead of just being emulated?
(like "old" pc games sometimes get patches like this)
I would expect only 1st party studios to bother with this, but it would allow any other studio to get more familiar with the hardware.
 
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Aren't the 1st model of dev kits just a PC with approximate specs made with off the shelf parts?
Yup. Devkits keep getting iterated until they resemble final hardware.

Some of the first PS4 devkits got shipped in 2011 so if Sony plans to launch late 2019/early 2020 it's "reasonable" to expect kits will ship this year.
 
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About BC, is it possible (theoretically, at least) that a Ps4 game can receive a patch on ps5 to run natively with improvements (because of having x86 architecture too) , instead of just being emulated?
That should be perfectly possible (assuming Sony will continue to use AMD APUs, and why would they not).

How common will that be, I'd wager not very, not even with first-party titles.
 

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Do people not know how dev kits work? The first round of devkits are never anything close to final hardware.

The first Xbox One dev kits came out 2 years before the Xbox’s release and were running off of an Intel i7 cpu.

Dev kits likely mean a 2019/2020 release on 7nm or less on final hardware that is nothing like the hardware in the dev kits. If I were to guess, these dev kits are not on any APU, they pack the most powerful cpu and the most powerful gpu that amd currently makes.

Nextgen wont be about hardware, it will defined by VR.

My dream would be a Vapor Cooled PS5 launching in 3 years using a 3nm Zen 3+ 3Ghz 3x3 core CPU, 30GBs of 3D Stacked HBM3, a 3TB SSHD and 30 TFs of GPU Horsepower.

I want it to launch alongside an optional 4k per each eye with eye tracking, foveated rendering, OLED, 120fps wireless VR headset with a 180 degree FOV along with haptic gloves and haptic underwear for Ready Player One’s OASIS levels of gaming immersion and market domination. They could simply buy Pimax since they already have a 8k VR headset with these specs (including a 200 degree fov) in the beta testing phase.

Here is a great article on haptic underwear... https://www.futuristspeaker.com/bus...-when-our-technologies-become-truly-wearable/


Lets include eye tracking (and foveated rendering) as a next gen goal as well
 
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