CadetMahoney
Member
TTP said:
Hmmm. . . doesn't look good for Sony, I wonder if they'll drop the price at E3 since this is a rumor anyway.
Teetris said:
:lol
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Rumour: PSN+ premium service details
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Hmmm. . . doesn't look good for Sony, I wonder if they'll drop the price at E3 since this is a rumor anyway.
:lol
charlequin
Banned
Metalmurphy said:
I think the fact that if you look at cross-game invites and trophies, two features added into the SKU after the platform launched, and you notice how one is used in basically every game (and was even backported into some older games) while the other isn't used anywhere, "common sense" would dictate that one of these features is easy to implement relative to how valuable it is to developers and one is not.
Based on XBL, it would appear that the level of ease that devs feel makes cross-game invites worthwhile to implement is pretty close to "free" -- as in, having this feature "just work" once they've handled all the other network integration stuff. If you have to go out of your way to include it on PSN (beyond just adding a single call to turnOnCrossGameInvites() or whatever) then it's probably "too hard" to implement (assuming your goal is for the feature to actually be used.)
Like, ultimately, devs aren't going to sit there with a checklist of every obscure feature in the SDK to make sure they implement them; they're going to implement the ones that seem worthwhile and important to them even if those don't support the platform goals. If you're Sony, it doesn't really matter whose "fault" it is; if you want to be able to say you have cross-game invites, it is up to you to find a way to make sure that developers implement them -- whether that's requiring the feature, or having it automatically work when some other more desirable feature is implemented, or sending people memos explaining how games with cross-game invites sell 20% more on average so they start to budget in the feature, or whatever.
Vinterbird
Member
CadetMahoney said:
Representative from SCEE confirmed it, so it's far from a rumor. It's coming, and when they announce it at E3, it will have price and full feature list.
This hour long trial thing, do people really think that Sony are going to start uploading Blu-ray games to PSN (which they've already said they're not going to do) so that people can download anything up to 50GB for an hour's worth of play time? Not going to happen. It will be PSN games or nothing I reckon.
cRIPticon said:Go buy a telephone. Seriously.
This is the argument I hear so often, that people just want to talk across the network, nothing to do with the game. Just because Microsoft discovered that customers used XBL on the original XBox as a VoIP system 80% of the time, and exploited it this generation, does not mean that it is, or needs to be, a standard feature of consoles. When playing games, I prefer to pay attention to the GAME I am playing and chat with the people I am playing that game with. Everything else is just distraction.
That boat may not be as small as you think
this
AS long as everything free remains free it is okay for me if sony needs to make some money , i won't probably subscribe unless those features are really amazing.
CadetMahoney
Member
wasn't it PS3 users who demanded it in those Sony polls?
charlequin
Banned
Chrange said:
Which is exactly why cross-game invites won't become standard in games until PS4!
Meus Renaissance
Member
Metalmurphy said:
Read an interview a couple of months ago where a Sony rep (someone high up from what I remember) stating the obvious that in hindsight Sony should have made things like that for PSN mandatory instead of open/optional for developers. I was really disappointed by the lack of features of PSN, although ironically I had a better experience on PSN in terms of no lag than I did with the premium Xbox Live. GRAW games were infamously bad netcode wise. This is the paradox of this debate
crazygambit
Member
Domcorleone said:
If this were to become standard I fear games with slow paced beginnings would go extinct.
The incentive to create a God of War like beginning would be too great. I think it could end up hurting certain genres, namely RPGs.
Withnail said:
That's a very good point, but Sony could always change the TOS to make the developers make a smaller version of the game that only has enough content for that hour, though it seems farfetched.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
crazygambit said:
You're Sony.
You were a paralyzing distant third for a while. You got your shit together. You're now neck and neck on an ongoing basis with your competitor. Finally, developers are starting to come to you and say "What can we put on your system" instead of you having to beg them to put anything there at all. You've started to secure exclusive content. You've occasionally even ended up with the best performing best selling version of a game.
Okay.
Now you send out an edict to developers that they must supply a free demo of their game in order to be able to release it. Unlike XBLA, where the free demo has all of the content of the full game and it's just a matter of putting if(isLicensed()) { } around blocks of content, they've actually got to separately develop, compile, put through TRC, etc. this demo.
Also, even assuming that you were going to do the demo anyway or that making the demo is free, this demo is targeted at a limited audience (presumably PSN+ will take a while to take off and even at its peak not have quite the same adoption rate as XBL) so you don't even get the widespread word of mouth benefits that truly excellent demos like BioShock get.
Still want to implement that idea?
Lagspike_exe
Member
Chrange said:
IIRC, price of a GB was 19 cents.
charlequin
Banned
crazygambit said:
Honestly, I think a ton of RPGs could benefit from actually constructing a first hour of play that's gripping and action-packed rather than the usual langorous "you'll be playing this for 40 hours, so it doesn't matter if you're bored!" approach.
Lagspike_exe said:
So $190,000 for 1 million downloads of a 1GB demo.
$950,000 for 1 million downloads of a 5GB demo.
Jesus. :lol
Ninja Moomin
Banned
Dabanton said:
if they don't today then when?
...and it was in their fiscal briefing for this year so... i figure it must be today. info at the very least.
I just hope that, if they do launch something, it's not like some of the firmware updates that have been full of issues.
Zombie James
Banned
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Lagspike_exe
Member
Sin said:
CONFIRMED!
SolidSnakex
Member
TTP said:
That's really all that matters.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
InfiniteNine said:
That would be more like this for me, personally :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6WD7B_I_9c&feature=related
Loudninja said:2 hours and 43 minutes to be exact
You mean 4 hrs...
Loudninja said:Damn you sin and TTP!
Indeed.
And wouldn't you know it? I'm in the air during the actual conference so will go on spoiler alert until I can get home to watch it belatedly.
Bearing that in mind I think if anyone knows anything they should spill it now. Please. I'm getting tight across the chest. I need to know.
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Oni Jazar said:
It would be funny if its free to chat but you can only start or be invited by a premium member. Then as long as one of your friends is a premium it works.
I could see this applied to other stuff too like voice messages. Free to listen but pay to send.
Great way to lure more people into it too when they first hand experience some of the benefits.
SolidSnakex
Member
lupinko said:
Anna Kendrick