Self-professed neo-Nazi James A. Fields Jr. convicted of first-degree murder in car-ramming that killed one, injured dozens

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/jury-set-to-begin-deliberations-in-james-a-fields-jr-car-ramming-trial/2018/12/06/65d38748-f9b3-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html?utm_term=.0f5deb1fbee3

An avowed supporter of neo-Nazi beliefs who took part in the violent and chaotic white supremacist “Unite the Right” rally in this city last year was found guilty Friday of first-degree murder for killing a woman by ramming his car through a crowd of counterprotesters.

A jury of seven women and five men began deliberating Friday morning and took just over seven hours to reach its decision that James Alex Fields Jr., 21, of Maumee, Ohio, acted with premeditation when he backed up his 2010 Dodge Challenger and then roared it down a narrow downtown street crowded with counterprotesters, slamming into them and another car. Heather D. Heyer, 32, was killed and 35 others injured, many grievously.

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For both prosecutors and Fields’s defense lawyers, the case was always about intent. Defense attorneys Denise Lunsford and John Hill did not deny Fields drove the car that killed Heyer and injured dozens. But they said it was not out of malice, rather out of fear for his own safety and confusion. They said he regretted his actions immediately, and pointed the jury to his repeated professions of sorrow shortly after his arrest and his uncontrollable sobbing when he learned of the injuries and death he had caused.

“He wasn’t angry, he was scared,” Lunsford told the jury in her closing argument.

Early in the trial the defense said there would be testimony from witnesses concerning Fields’s mental health, but those witnesses were never brought forward.

Prosecutors, though, said Fields was enraged when he drove more than 500 miles from his apartment in Ohio to take part in the rally — and later chose to act on that anger by ramming his two-door muscle car into the crowd. They described Fields “idling, watching” in his Challenger on Fourth Street and surveying a diverse and joyous crowd of marchers a block and a half away that was celebrating the cancellation of the planned rally.

They showed video and presented witnesses testifying that there was no one around Fields’s car when he slowly backed it up the street and then raced it forward down the hill into the unsuspecting crowd. In her final address to the jury Thursday, Senior-Assistant Commonwealth’s Attorney Nina-Alice Antony showed a close-up of Fields in his car to rebut the idea that he was frightened when he acted.

“This is not the face of someone who is scared,” Antony said. “This is the face of anger, of hatred. It’s the face of malice.”


Emphasize mine.
 

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One of the most righteous things to occur in the past 12 months.

Also I wanna reiterate that this guy ran his car into a crowd of people because he was too afraid to take a few punches from antifa. He is going to spend life in jail because he couldn't handle getting into a fist fight he instigated.
 
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Justice served? Idk guys what about black supremacy? That’s an actual problem. Priorities, come on!
 

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It was supposed to be Unite The RIght's big coming out. A way to rile up other white supremacists and sympathizers in the wake of Trump's election. Then Alex Jr fucked up. Their momentum stuttered, blew out and energized progressives, socialists and caused centrists liberals to lean more left. Social media started banning right wing platforms, public events would be dwarfed by counterprotestors 10-15 times their size, alt-righters arrested.
In a weird way, James Alex Jr not only murdered Heather Heyer, but he murdered the alt-right's platform.

May he never set foot outside prison walls again, the piece of filth.
 
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I don't know. The guy deserves severe punishment, but it feels more like manslaughter than first degree murder to me. I haven't seen the evidence the jury did, but it felt like he was aiming to cause injury due to being irritated by the protesters, not necessarily aiming to murder them. They not-so-veiled threat and instagram picture of the car running into protestors definitely indicates an inclination towards violence, but I think it is a stretch to say it proves that his intent was to kill anyone.

Also, he's facing federal hate crime charges too? This wasn't a hate crime. It was indiscriminate. He ran into them because they were protesters and that's not a protected class. If I remember correctly, the woman who died was white. Someone will have to explain to me how a white supremacist killing a white person is a hate crime.
 

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I don't know. The guy deserves severe punishment, but it feels more like manslaughter than first degree murder to me. I haven't seen the evidence the jury did, but it felt like he was aiming to cause injury due to being irritated by the protesters, not necessarily aiming to murder them. They not-so-veiled threat and instagram picture of the car running into protestors definitely indicates an inclination towards violence, but I think it is a stretch to say it proves that his intent was to kill anyone.

Also, he's facing federal hate crime charges too? This wasn't a hate crime. It was indiscriminate. He ran into them because they were protesters and that's not a protected class. If I remember correctly, the woman who died was white. Someone will have to explain to me how a white supremacist killing a white person is a hate crime.
driving a car into a crowd of people...

“Yeah but I didn’t want to KILL anyone!”

Lmao.

I wonder if I could think of any other circumstances in the world where this idea could be tested....
 
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I don't know. The guy deserves severe punishment, but it feels more like manslaughter than first degree murder to me. I haven't seen the evidence the jury did, but it felt like he was aiming to cause injury due to being irritated by the protesters, not necessarily aiming to murder them. They not-so-veiled threat and instagram picture of the car running into protestors definitely indicates an inclination towards violence, but I think it is a stretch to say it proves that his intent was to kill anyone.

Also, he's facing federal hate crime charges too? This wasn't a hate crime. It was indiscriminate. He ran into them because they were protesters and that's not a protected class. If I remember correctly, the woman who died was white. Someone will have to explain to me how a white supremacist killing a white person is a hate crime.
Honest question, what legitimate expectation other than murder can be expected from flooring it, in a van, into a crowd of people? Its not like he put it in neutral and idled down the street.
 
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Glad to see the court system works. Maybe we can stop being judge and jury on the internet.
 

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I don't know. The guy deserves severe punishment, but it feels more like manslaughter than first degree murder to me. I haven't seen the evidence the jury did, but it felt like he was aiming to cause injury due to being irritated by the protesters, not necessarily aiming to murder them. They not-so-veiled threat and instagram picture of the car running into protestors definitely indicates an inclination towards violence, but I think it is a stretch to say it proves that his intent was to kill anyone.

Also, he's facing federal hate crime charges too? This wasn't a hate crime. It was indiscriminate. He ran into them because they were protesters and that's not a protected class. If I remember correctly, the woman who died was white. Someone will have to explain to me how a white supremacist killing a white person is a hate crime.
I don’t know if it was a hate crime or not but fuck this person who runs people over. I will admit I’m not sure about hate crime part I would need to read more before making a call on it but it was a court that proved this and can we ask for more than that? He can appeal charges I believe?
 
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Honest question, what legitimate expectation other than murder can be expected from flooring it, in a van, into a crowd of people? Its not like he put it in neutral and idled down the street.
Grievous harm. He managed to seriously injure quite a few people, but only managed to kill one. If his intent was to kill and not just harm, then he was bad at it. Still an asshole, but there is a legal distinction between trying to put someone in a wheelchair and trying to put someone in a coffin.

Edit: There's also the fact that he was surprised and remorseful when he learned that his actions resulted in a death.
 
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Glad to see the court system works. Maybe we can stop being judge and jury on the internet.
There was never any scenario where he wasn't going to face life behind bars. He's on video surrounded by witnesses, and absolutely intended to harm (if not kill) a bunch of people. The fact that he plead not-guilty is astounding to me.
 
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I had to google this case since I don't remember this 2010 story. I must have missed it because I don't recognize the name or face of the driver. Or maybe because there's been so many stupid stories over the years, I just forgot about it.

Never the less, you can't be mowing down people for the hell of it. Case closed.
 
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There was never any scenario where he wasn't going to face life behind bars. He's on video surrounded by witnesses, and absolutely intended to harm (if not kill) a bunch of people. The fact that he plead not-guilty is astounding to me.
Not arguing that at all. Just we need to let this flow through a court system and justice be served. Glad it worked out that way.
 

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Good riddance. Asshole involved bystanders in that stupid gang war with Antifa.

I don't know. The guy deserves severe punishment, but it feels more like manslaughter than first degree murder to me. I haven't seen the evidence the jury did, but it felt like he was aiming to cause injury due to being irritated by the protesters, not necessarily aiming to murder them. They not-so-veiled threat and instagram picture of the car running into protestors definitely indicates an inclination towards violence, but I think it is a stretch to say it proves that his intent was to kill anyone.

Also, he's facing federal hate crime charges too? This wasn't a hate crime. It was indiscriminate. He ran into them because they were protesters and that's not a protected class. If I remember correctly, the woman who died was white. Someone will have to explain to me how a white supremacist killing a white person is a hate crime.
From what I remember, there are two images of his car - one in which he just got in, and there are a bunch of Antifa beating on the door after assaulting him, and one after he backed away, then revved and ran into a crowd of general protestors.

I'll be honest - I wouldn't shed a tear if he had backed over some Antifa thug who was just attacking him, and he would almost certainly be let off/have charges reduced to manslaughter if that was the case. But he purposefully targeted bystanders after removing himself from the Antifa assault.
 

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Good. Had he gotten away with this it would be riots in the street over that. Rightfully so. It is good to see justice prevail.
 

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I guess the jury didn’t buy the theory that poor Jimmy was fleeing Antifa that @TheGreatYosh and @pramod were selling.
I have been paying attention to the trial. It was poisoned from the start. It should never have taken place in Virginia. There was no way to get a fair trial there. No trial lawyer in Virginia would even take the case. The appointed defense was lackluster at best. The Judge allowed frickin memes to be presented as evidence of premeditated murder. This was a show trial, and the outcome was inevitable.
 

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I have been paying attention to the trial. It was poisoned from the start. It should never have taken place in Virginia. There was no way to get a fair trial there. No trial lawyer in Virginia would even take the case. The appointed defense was lackluster at best. The Judge allowed frickin memes to be presented as evidence of premeditated murder. This was a show trial, and the outcome was inevitable.
Keep on defending a murderer lol
 
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I have been paying attention to the trial. It was poisoned from the start. It should never have taken place in Virginia. There was no way to get a fair trial there. No trial lawyer in Virginia would even take the case. The appointed defense was lackluster at best. The Judge allowed frickin memes to be presented as evidence of premeditated murder. This was a show trial, and the outcome was inevitable.
Oh so now we have gone from "He isn't guilty! The evidence is obvious!" to "IT WAS RIGGED! I'M STILL RIGHT!"


Okay lol
 

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It was supposed to be Unite The RIght's big coming out. A way to rile up other white supremacists and sympathizers in the wake of Trump's election. Then Alex Jr fucked up. Their momentum stuttered, blew out and energized progressives, socialists and caused centrists liberals to lean more left. Social media started banning right wing platforms, public events would be dwarfed by counterprotestors 10-15 times their size, alt-righters arrested.
In a weird way, James Alex Jr not only murdered Heather Heyer, but he murdered the alt-right's platform.

May he never set foot outside prison walls again, the piece of filth.
He also exposed Trumps apathy/empathy to white supremacy quite brilliantly.

The President of the United States of America had to be forced by people around him to even mention that a person was killed, let alone their name, or the fact that he was interested at all about the fact that people were chanting "jews will not replace us" during a copy cat KKK march in the name of unification of the right wing.

Heather's death definitely wasn't in vain and her name will always be linked with the global exposure of Trumps nastier sides.
 

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I have been paying attention to the trial. It was poisoned from the start. It should never have taken place in Virginia. There was no way to get a fair trial there. No trial lawyer in Virginia would even take the case. The appointed defense was lackluster at best. The Judge allowed frickin memes to be presented as evidence of premeditated murder. This was a show trial, and the outcome was inevitable.
Why the fuck are you stanning for a proven white supremacist and murderer?
 

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It was supposed to be Unite The RIght's big coming out. A way to rile up other white supremacists and sympathizers in the wake of Trump's election. Then Alex Jr fucked up. Their momentum stuttered, blew out and energized progressives, socialists and caused centrists liberals to lean more left. Social media started banning right wing platforms, public events would be dwarfed by counterprotestors 10-15 times their size, alt-righters arrested.
In a weird way, James Alex Jr not only murdered Heather Heyer, but he murdered the alt-right's platform.

May he never set foot outside prison walls again, the piece of filth.
This post is so good I just needed to quote it.
The nazi movement would have found other ways to fail, as that's just what nazis do. But at their coming out party? That's low, even for nazis.
 
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Oh so now we have gone from "He isn't guilty! The evidence is obvious!" to "IT WAS RIGGED! I'M STILL RIGHT!"


Okay lol

Are you actually suprised ? They think there clever with grade school roundabouts its just been non stop goal post moving . There not actually nazi they regurgitate as there a bunch of Nazi flags ? There not racist as they come to protest the removal of confederate statue chanting you will not replace us ?
 

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The justice system works for once.

Great way to throw your life away. Hopefully his Nazi buddies take care of him in prison and make sure he don't drop the soap.
 

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He also exposed Trumps apathy/empathy to white supremacy quite brilliantly.

The President of the United States of America had to be forced by people around him to even mention that a person was killed, let alone their name, or the fact that he was interested at all about the fact that people were chanting "jews will not replace us" during a copy cat KKK march in the name of unification of the right wing.

Heather's death definitely wasn't in vain and her name will always be linked with the global exposure of Trumps nastier sides.
This is factually wrong. Trump has essentially said without knowing anything about the case that he’s guilty, and lock him up and throw away the key. Jeff Sessions’ DOJ added 30 hate crime enhancements. But you know Trump, Sessions they are all white supremacists. Even though they are aligned perfectly with everyone here celebrating this injustice. If there was insurmountable evidence of first degree premeditated murder I would be saying lock him up too. Anybody that has honestly payed attention to this case can see he is getting convicted solely because of his beliefs not the evidence.
 

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It was a tragic accident based off of all the evidence.
One of the worst hills to make your grave on .

This is some quality bullshit , a course of months ago you where preaching his innocence and saying his going to be let go.. now his guilty and your just doubling down on your bullshit. His a murder and a white supremacist but keep on defending
 

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One of the worst hills to make your grave on .

This is some quality bullshit , a course of months ago you where preaching his innocence and saying his going to be let go.. now his guilty and your just doubling down on your bullshit. His a murder and a white supremacist but keep on defending
I was talking only based on the evidence, and I was not aware the trial would be in Virginia. I also didn’t know the Judge would reject the first public defender because he was a conservative.
 

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I was talking only based on the evidence, and I was not aware the trial would be in Virginia. I also didn’t know the Judge would reject the first public defender because he was a conservative.
You mean the public defender who has a lawsuit pending against the state for removing the statue from the park that the riot started in. That's a clear conflict of interest.
 
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You mean the public defender who has a lawsuit pending against the state for removing the statue from the park that the riot started in. That's a clear conflict of interest.
Yep and no. There is no conflict of interest. That’s a convergence of interest. It would only be a conflict of interest if he was the prosecutor. The Judge didn’t want anyone that would actually try.
 
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Yep and no. There is no conflict of interest. That’s a convergence of interest. It would only be a conflict of interest if he was the prosecutor. The Judge didn’t want anyone that would actually try.
No it's a conflict of interest regardless , he would have had access to information he might not have had in the first place through this legal case that was already pending.
 

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No it's a conflict of interest regardless , he would have had access to information he might not have had in the first place through this legal case that was already pending.
Haha okay. You just regurgitated what you read from the judges reasoning without thinking about what you were actually saying. Now you’re grasping for imaginary straws.
 

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Haha okay. You just regurgitated what you read from the judges reasoning without thinking about what you were actually saying. Now you’re grasping for imaginary straws.
No I think the judges point is pretty common in most cases , it's not rare for public defender's to be removed or they remove them selfs from cases that show a clear level of conflict of interest, it works both ways. Your argument might make sense of his new attorneys threw the case but that's far from it.
 

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No I think the judges point is pretty common in most cases , it's not rare for public defender's to be removed or they remove them selfs from cases that show a clear level of conflict of interest, it works both ways. Your argument might make sense of his new attorneys threw the case but that's far from it.
Regardless there is no conflict of interest in this instance. The Judge used a bs excuse to remove someone that might actually fight hard for their client. Which is what everyone should want.
 

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The left loves when an actual Nazi, or white Supremacist comes out of their mancaves and do something stupid so that they can create a thread about how evil Nazis are EVERYWHERE.
See guys?! They're real!! And because of that we can justify our violence against everybody we don't like!

Now, if only they would realize that we on the right have nothing to do with the people at the "Unite the Right" event. This was more of an attempt from actual Neo-nazis to get recognition from the right among their ranks. And no, we don't want you here. Get the fuck out.
 
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Of all the hills to die on you are seriously gonna choose to defend the admitted white supremacist that is convicted of murder.



All of this because you just don't want to admit you were wrong.


I can't even begin to imagine how someone arrives at that conclusion.
 
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Have you actually followed the trial? Do you think no innocent person has ever been convicted?
Are you saying he's innocent? I know the lot of you scream "fake news" a lot but mate are you saying the videos of him sending people flying over the bonnet of his vehicle are like fake??
 

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I was talking only based on the evidence, and I was not aware the trial would be in Virginia. I also didn’t know the Judge would reject the first public defender because he was a conservative.
You weren’t aware that a trial for committing a murder in Virginia would take place in Virginia?
 

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The left loves when an actual Nazi, or white Supremacist comes out of their mancaves and do something stupid so that they can create a thread about how evil Nazis are EVERYWHERE.
See guys?! They're real!! And because of that we can justify our violence against everybody we don't like!

Now, if only they would realize that we on the right have nothing to do with the people at the "Unite the Right" event. This was more of an attempt from actual Neo-nazis to get recognition from the right among their ranks. And no, we don't want you here. Get the fuck out.
Actually, the leader of the American right thinks the people at the Unite the Right rally were very fine, so it appears that the right does indeed want such types here.