Senate has uncovered no evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia

[HagglesworthMD]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...nce-conspiracy-between-trump-campaign-n970536

WASHINGTON — After two years and 200 interviews, the Senate Intelligence Committee is approaching the end of its investigation into the 2016 election, having uncovered no direct evidence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, according to both Democrats and Republicans on the committee.

What will the narrative shift to once the investigation concludes? There's no evidence he did but there's also no evidence he didn't seems to be the line the media is going with currently..

 

[matt404au]

Anyone who isn’t a braindead NPC will remember that the Russian collusion story was around fourth in the priority list of excuses for the Dems losing the election. They started with it being a woman thing, but then they realised that a lot of people just hate Clinton. Then they tried the white supremacy angle, but nobody was buying it after Obama just served two terms. Then they pushed the fake news angle for about two weeks, including Facebook, Twitter, etc. collaborating on an anti-fake news campaign, until Trump co-opted it and started using it against them. Then they tried the Russia angle, which finally stuck to the wall, but it looks it has just lost all cohesion and splattered on the floor. I wonder what the next excuse will be. Farting cows, perhaps?

 

[HagglesworthMD]

Anyone who isn’t a braindead NPC will remember that the Russian collusion story was around fourth in the priority list of excuses for the Dems losing the election. They started with it being a woman thing, but then they realised that a lot of people just hate Clinton. Then they tried the white supremacy angle, but nobody was buying it after Obama just served two terms. Then they pushed the fake news angle for about two weeks, including Facebook, Twitter, etc. collaborating on an anti-fake news campaign, until Trump co-opted it and started using it against them. Then they tried the Russia angle, which finally stuck to the wall, but it looks it has just lost all cohesion and splattered on the floor. I wonder what the next excuse will be. Farting cows, perhaps?

/r/the_mueller right now in particular is a great laugh, responses to this latest news range from “Mueller leaked this to throw Trump off so he can surprise raid and arrest him” to completely ignoring it and focusing on Trump’s finances and tax returns.

There's also a few "DRUMPF OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE!" thrown in for good measure.

 

[danielberg]

The one things that stands out its that both agreed otherwise you could just hand wave it away with "of course republicans didnt find anything lolol" but it wont change anything
every tribe will pick his side regardless. Now its basically "well of course we wont find direct evidence, they are just too smart for that lololol" after screaming for two years that trump is a imbecile.

 

[Rentahamster]

Too bad that most of the people whom I'd say "I told ya so" to have left for other pastures.

I did tell 'em though.

 

[weltalldx]

Allow me to quote the end of a movie which I think is most apt to describe Trump's predicament with the mainstream media.

Mainstream media : Because we have to discredit "Trump". Because he's the hero "America" deserves, but not the one "the radical left wants" right now, so we'll "spin stories to make him look bad". Because he can take it, because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a Dark Knight.

I think their next attack will be how ineffective Trump's policies(tax cuts, tariff, military strategies, border wall) are and how he's a lame duck. If he doesn't win back the House in 2020, I think his second term will be equally unproductive as is today and may set the political pendulum swinging liberal in 2024.

 

[sahlberg]

Too bad that most of the people whom I'd say "I told ya so" to have left for other pastures.

I don't think you know what the word "left" means in this context.

You referring to unbearably partisan people that are aggressive, confrontational and just very unpleasant to be around?

Left, as in leaving/changing a location, kind of implies that it was a voluntary conscious choice they themselves made. Not that it was a change that was forced upon them. I submit the theory that for the people you want to tell "told ya so" another word like banned, expunged or ejected would be more appropriate.

(I miss PhoenixRising though. That was another level.)

 

[JordanN]

I stopped following the Russia story after Colbert or Bill Maher said Trump would be arrested by Christmas 2017, and it didn't happen.

It's now just people pushing a Russiaphobic agenda. They hate Russia and see this as an excuse to lump Trump with Putin, perhaps because they're both anti-globalism.

 

[betrayal]

What a suprising result....

 

[matt404au]

/r/the_mueller right now in particular is a great laugh, responses to this latest news range from “Mueller leaked this to throw Trump off so he can surprise raid and arrest him” to completely ignoring it and focusing on Trump’s finances and tax returns.

There's also a few "DRUMPF OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE!" thrown in for good measure.

blonald drumpfffffthhh is mean old caca head

 

[oagboghi2]

The one things that stands out its that both agreed otherwise you could just hand wave it away with "of course republicans didnt find anything lolol" but it wont change anything
every tribe will pick his side regardless. Now its basically "well of course we wont find direct evidence, they are just too smart for that lololol" after screaming for two years that trump is a imbecile.

It's 9/11 trutherism all over again.

 

[Rentahamster]

I don't think you know what the word "left" means in this context.

You referring to unbearably partisan people that are aggressive, confrontational and just very unpleasant to be around?

Left, as in leaving/changing a location, kind of implies that it was a voluntary conscious choice they themselves made. Not that it was a change that was forced upon them. I submit the theory that for the people you want to tell "told ya so" another word like banned, expunged or ejected would be more appropriate.

(I miss PhoenixRising though. That was another level.)

I would disagree about that characterization. I found the debate for the most part entertaining and enjoyable. They just had faulty analysis. Most of them aren't even banned. They just don't post here anymore.

 

[LMJ]

So the real question is...now what do Trumps detractors latch onto? This has been their lottery for the longest time lol

"this time they got him for su... "
"okay, now this time there's no doubt he is guil... oh"
"Well surely he can't get away this ti...damn"

 

[danielberg]

Nothing is for sure who knows what mueller has but no matter if the russia trump collusion conspiracy thing ends up being false or true it will probably divide the far end of each side just more no matter the result.

 

[Husky]

wow so Russia's got their hands on the senate too. Next they'll take over the media, and they'll dismiss the issue too! Then they'll take over me, and I'll dismiss the issue!

 

[Airola]

People are going to latch onto the "no direct evidence" part of it.

 

[John Lee Packard]

Let's not let them pull the wool over our eyes and sweep this one under the rug like they pulled with 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Today 9/11 conspiracy theories are associated with right wing types like Alex Jones, but it started as a left wing, anti-Bush movement and they very sneakily want everyone to forget that fact.

Well let's not let them forget this time that they can spin a ridiculous conspiracy theory with the best of your Jones types.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Yep. Huge rotten ostrich egg all over the face of Democrats and many mainstream news outlets.

You'd think that we would be celebrating as a nation -- horray, we can finally lay this to rest now that we've confirmed our President isn't a "Putin puppet" like the newsanchor millionaires have been telling me -- but there will be nutcases who insist this still isn't good enough.

I'm hoping that it can be laid to rest and we can get back to improving this country. Y'know, like approving Trump's appointments and pointing our news organizations toward issues that actually matter.

 

[JORMBO]

I thought it was pretty obvious that Trump is not smart enough to evade all US Intelligence agencies to collude with the Russians to become a puppet president. If he was working with the Russians they wouldn’t let him remain in office for most of his presidency. Relations with Russia haven’t even gotten any better since he has become president.

Democrats on cable news hand waved this story away yesterday and are waiting for Mueller to save them. I don’t think the Mueller report is going to be anything explosive.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Mueller's investigation is the only investigation that matters. He has power and resources that the Senate doesn't when it comes to who and what he can investigate.

 

[transformer]

Some of us have been waiting for evidence prior to jumping to conclusions. The whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing. I see there is still nothing. I don't expect there will be anything at this point. The longer this goes on with no evidence at all, the more this looks like it is nothing but a con to discredit our elected president. Normally, we assume innocent before guilt. Normally we need to see actual evidence or have reason for suspicion prior to opening investigations. I guess that has become politically incorrect.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Mueller's investigation is the only investigation that matters. He has power and resources that the Senate doesn't when it comes to who and what he can investigate.

And yet, we've been told repeatedly that Mueller's investigation will be disappointing.

What will you base your conspiracies on once both the Senate and Mueller have exonerated Trump?

 

[John Lee Packard]

Yep. Huge rotten ostrich egg all over the face of Democrats and many mainstream news outlets

That is one thing that's bizarre about this conspiracy theory is how it's been pushed by mainstream media.

I compare it to the "9/11 was an inside job!" thing but that was mostly a grassroots movement and an online thing, the only times the mainstream media covered it was when Popular Mechanics debunked it, South Park mocked it and the only pro thing was Rosie O'Donnell mentioned it on The View I guess.

Imagine if instead CNN and MSNBC or whatever told people that 9/11 was an inside job back then, that's basically what's been going with the Russia thing, surreal times we live in.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Once the Mueller probe comes out, I expect things to come crashing down rather quickly. You'll notice they've already opened yet another investigation into "the possibility of any collusion with any foreign powers" against Trump now.

I just hope they're prepared for equal treatment. We're already seeing that Democrats cannot stand up against their own brand of accusations (Northram blackface controversy and Ilhan Omar antisemitism, most recently) so I'm curious if we will see such vigorous and "patriotric" investigation of all Democrat candidates now

 

[Mihos]

I am sure they will just keep randomly investigating things either way.

 

[dolabla]

And yet, we've been told repeatedly that Mueller's investigation will be disappointing.

What will you base your conspiracies on once both the Senate and Mueller have exonerated Trump?

Heck, it might not even get released to the public, lol.

Anybody who is banking on the Mueller probe to prove collusion has already been warned to be in for disappointment. Not to mention if Trump was working on behalf of the Russians (is he a nationalist or foreign puppet? Make your minds up), with as much leaking that's gone on, it would more than likely have already leaked.

 

[danielberg]

If nothing else trumps seems to have a laugh

 

[old]

“Republican controlled entity finds no evidence republicans did anything wrong.”

 

[gunslikewhoa]

“Republican controlled entity finds no evidence republicans did anything wrong.”

Reading is difficult and time consuming, apparently.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

Clinton primarily blamed the emails on her losing. her supporters even parrot that line to this day with "But her emails."

the emails were triggered by the investigation of Anthony Weiner & Clinton's relationship with Weiner's wife. this is why Comey released his letter. not the Russians.

it really is the ultimate slap in the face. her career has been ruined twice by dudes who couldn't keep it in their pants.

 

[azz0r]

lol the senate...

“Republican controlled entity finds no evidence republicans did anything wrong.”

Shocker!

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Wow, the NPCs are out in full force with this one.

Didn't happen to read that this was a bipartisan investigation after complaints regarding the 2017 Republican-driven one?

"lol but Republicans control the Senate" is either intentional stupidity or something for which you should sue your biological parents for neglecting you so bad.

 

[TrainedRage]

B-b-but Russia!!!!

 

[Teletraan1]

When Mueller comes back with nothing we can shift to "Adam Shitts investigation is the only one that matters."

 

[voidenberg]

Impeachment any time now.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

Of course there's no direct evidence the president of the US is a Russian agent. It's a wild conspiracy theory and a fishing expedition.

It's an excuse.

Folks pushed for Trump to represent Republicans because they thought he'd get blown out by Clinton. NeverTrumpers and Clinton supporters dismissed what people like Trump and Bernie Sanders were mad about. Waved their supporters off as hot air.

 

[infinitys_7th]

I can't wait for the left to inevitably turn on Mueller when his investigation turns up nothing. It already has - no crimes by Americans related to the 2016 election have been found, only vague "lies" and decade-old financial crimes committed by Manafort and the Podesta Group (which, strangely, has never been brought up by the media). Crimes which had already been partly investigated, btw, meaning Mueller's only victory was lapping up table scraps.

 

[odd_hatch]

The only thing dems did in the last couple of years was destroy any shred of credibility they once were so proud of. I don't understand how can anyone still side with them when they clearly show to not represent what some of their voters believe they are.

 

[Schrödinger's cat]

And yet, we've been told repeatedly that Mueller's investigation will be disappointing.

What will you base your conspiracies on once both the Senate and Mueller have exonerated Trump?

I expect the tune will change to "The TMZ report and anything that supports an already established narrative is the only one that matters" soon.

 

[desertdroog]

The lack of the "Pee-Pee tape" sure must leave a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

 

[oagboghi2]

“Republican controlled entity finds no evidence republicans did anything wrong.”

🙄😂

Well folks, we can already see the talking points for when Mueller comes up with nothing." He is a republican."

 

[Zangiefy360]

Feels like all the momentum is on President Trump's side these days.

Oh, and Van Jones is finally vindicated!

 

[Acerac]

That is one thing that's bizarre about this conspiracy theory is how it's been pushed by mainstream media.

I compare it to the "9/11 was an inside job!" thing but that was mostly a grassroots movement and an online thing, the only times the mainstream media covered it was when Popular Mechanics debunked it, South Park mocked it and the only pro thing was Rosie O'Donnell mentioned it on The View I guess.

Imagine if instead CNN and MSNBC or whatever told people that 9/11 was an inside job back then, that's basically what's been going with the Russia thing, surreal times we live in.

Really makes you think, huh?

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

It is important to be gracious toward people who are coming around to the truth.

This appears to be a case of politicians, news outlets, and pundits misleading their constituents/viewers. A portion of the populace was whipped into a frenzy. I'm not upset at people who were deceived. At this point, we should turn our attention to the deceivers, not the people who were lied to.

While "the masses" do bear some responsibility, we've all chased after false conspiracies at some point in our lives (we are, after all, internet users). I hope people take this as a lesson in healthy skepticism especially in the political realm, and I hope those responsible are ostracized and prosecuted.

 

[insanexer]

I'm sure the "other forum" is having a meltdown over this news.

 

[JORMBO]

I'm sure the "other forum" is having a meltdown over this news.

Thread was locked and OP was banned (not even kidding).

Someone told the OP to "go post it on GAF"

 

[NickFire]

Thread was locked and OP was banned (not even kidding).

 

[Joe T.]

Depending how Mueller's report turns out, this will either give Trump a boost - he's dealt with years of non-stop negative media coverage about Russia and he's going to get some sympathy by rational moderates - or do some real damage to Republicans in 2020 if he finds something that can still hurt him. You know the media will be desperate to latch onto anything that can be used against him, even if it's not the Russian collusion they've been harping about. If the latter happens I expect both branches of Congress will be controlled by a Dem super majority in 2021 because the GOP would be clubbed to death with "Why won't you impeach him?!" leading up to the election.

 

[whiskeystrike]

The only thing dems did in the last couple of years was destroy any shred of credibility they once were so proud of. I don't understand how can anyone still side with them when they clearly show to not represent what some of their voters believe they are.

I'm a left-winger who leans heavily into socialism and I don't really have any alternatives as long as the two-party system is in place. Vote Dem or don't vote at all.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

I'm a left-winger who leans heavily into socialism and I don't really have any alternatives as long as the two-party system is in place. Vote Dem or don't vote at all.

Why not vote Green Party? The share most of the values of the Democrats.

I am a conservative and yet I abstain from voting in bad Republicans, on the basis of morality. I don't vote to beat the other team. I vote to represent myself. If there isn't someone who represents me well enough, then I don't settle for the fourth or fifth person down the list who won the primary.

This is why we need ranked choice voting in our country for some of these elections.