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Senate healthcare repeal bill fails - Collins, Murkowski, and McCain voted no
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foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I never thought old people could get hype like we do
Unknown Soldier
Member
I actually thought he was the one who said "NO!" loudly but that was apparently someone else. All McCain did was
and then he strolled off LIKE A BOSS
and the rest was history.
super-heated plasma
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Preibus on CNN said they could still try again before reconciliation is over. The house said the same. So who's right?
Basileus777
Member
That twitter thread is wrong.
They can try again... but they still need to win McCain over no? Either that or his cancer doesnt allow him to vote. If I have this scenario correct, holy fuck.
onken
Member
I don't know about you but I have a good feeling about some anonymous shithead redditor.
hydrophilic attack
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lol I don't even like wrestling but that's fucking perfect
Neuromancer
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Wow haha. Trump's face as he goes down...
This is too good
Here's a new tweetstorm:
buuut you couldn't even get those 51 votes?
I don't think he knows how numbers work.
SanguineShark
Member
Here's a new tweetstorm:
buuut you couldn't even get those 51 votes?
It bothers me he treats this like a game. What a shameful president.
It's never your fault is it Donald?Here's a new tweetstorm:
buuut you couldn't even get those 51 votes?
Blackpuppy
Member
Here's a new tweetstorm:
buuut you couldn't even get those 51 votes?
...and when the Democrats have >50 senators? Does he ask them pwetty pwease to change the rules to what they were?
This orange object already considers democrat votes in and of themselves to be 'obstruction'. A dem majority would be treason!
Trump really doesn't care. He just wants to "win". If he has even thought about what will happen when Dems get back in power, which of course he hasn't really, he'd assume he wouldn't be around anyway. I am still disgusted with my fellow Americans that voted for a man that doesn't care about the good of the country but only the good of Trump. He proves it every damn day.
To quote my mother, "but at least he's not Hillary."
That's the motto of many Republican voters.
Here's a new tweetstorm:
buuut you couldn't even get those 51 votes?
Never gonna happen, Trump. Republicans know that eventually the tides will give Democrats majority, and if the GOP decides to break the filibusterer, the Democrats will push whatever laws and budgets they want through congress without resistance and, well...
Yeah. The hate for Hillary is still very strong. Republicans have shown they excel in one thing, turning American voters against something or someone, in this case Clinton.
But what can you do? Democrats need to run somebody that the Republicans haven't had years to shit on in their brainwashing (say what you want, lie and you won't be held accountable) right media.
How About No
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Is he just tweeting the same thing over and over in the span of a few minutes?Here's a new tweetstorm:
buuut you couldn't even get those 51 votes?
...actually pass some legislation that would help it's citizens? Progress the country socially? The horror.
Exactly. It would kill the GOP fast. The GOP would never risk it for some short term gain.
BronsonLee
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If Trump had any juice, Mitch would've killed the filibuster a long time ago
Give Turtle credit, he knows what happens if he does that
Give Turtle credit, he knows what happens if he does that
We can only dream.
Carpe Carnim
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Sorta both. Reconciliation allows one vote on Revenues, Spending and Debt. They've burned the easy vehicle with this abortion of a bill: Spending
They can bring two more bills, bit they have to be relevant to revenue and debt. You can add a bunch of smaller things to hobble the ACA, but it's less effective towards that goal, and you're more likely to run afoul of the Senate Parliamentarian's rules on what's germane.
If McConnell is intent on killing the filibuster, I think it's going to happen this session, or not at all.
Journeywalker
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That's inconsistent with what potatoman and pigeon are stating above. It's not one VOTE, it's one successful BILL.
Thumbnail should be after McCain thumbs down and looks at Mitch in the eye with the "what now bitch" look. That moment seemed real personal.
Carpe Carnim
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Here is the info I'm working from. YMMV
https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/introduction-to-budget-reconciliation
Journeywalker
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Unfortunately (and probably by design), each of these major changes is being packaged as an ammendment to the same bill.
Carpe Carnim
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They're further limited by the Congressional calendar. They need to push taxes before the end of the fiscal year, deal with the debt ceiling, and still situate themselves for the 2018 midterms. They can't jerk themselves off while the infrastructure of government melts down around them.
What I do see happening is the GOP trying to extort repeal of the mandate for consideration of the debt ceiling increase. They're that fucking stoopid
PumpkinSpice
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So I've been thinking about what the path forward for Repubicans will be when it comes to health (if they keep going) and I think I have it.
It would have to be sending the money spent on Obamacare to the states to spend on their own plans. These could then be whatever the states want to implement. If a state is happy with insurance markets, they can stick with that. If a more liberal state wants to do single payer, they can. If a state wants a more conservative option (whatver that is exactly) they can do that too.
That way they can say they repealed Obamacare, claim "states rights" for conservative cred, and not look too much like hyprocrits if their own states end up just keeping a rough approximation of Obamacare since "it should have been at the state level anyway."
The more savvy Republicans could point out that this is literally what Canada does to try to woo over moderates, and for the most part it is (we also have a lot of strings attached and we insist on single payer).
It would have to be sending the money spent on Obamacare to the states to spend on their own plans. These could then be whatever the states want to implement. If a state is happy with insurance markets, they can stick with that. If a more liberal state wants to do single payer, they can. If a state wants a more conservative option (whatver that is exactly) they can do that too.
That way they can say they repealed Obamacare, claim "states rights" for conservative cred, and not look too much like hyprocrits if their own states end up just keeping a rough approximation of Obamacare since "it should have been at the state level anyway."
The more savvy Republicans could point out that this is literally what Canada does to try to woo over moderates, and for the most part it is (we also have a lot of strings attached and we insist on single payer).
Let's be more like Canada isn't going fly with Republicans lol.
RPGCrazied
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I see he is up. Its always at 5-6 am when he spews out bile.
Mitch will never nuke the legislative filibuster, sorry Donny.
Mitch will never nuke the legislative filibuster, sorry Donny.
Journeywalker
Member
If McCain really wanted to screw with McConnell, he would have voted for the ammendment and then voted against the complete bill.
It's worked for them in the past, so it's more Machiavellian than stupid. Independents haven't punished them where it counts: the ballot box.
It's worked for them in the past, so it's more Machiavellian than stupid. Independents haven't punished them where it counts: the ballot box.
RPGCrazied
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Talking about nuking the legislative filibuster.
Oh gee, here is a thought. Say that to him personally? What a wimp.
Im sure the reason mccain did this is because there was a good chance Paul Ryan would've made the skinny repeal law.
Basileus777
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That's explicitly what McCain said was a reason.
Journeywalker
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Isn't there a final vote on the Senate Bill before it gets sent down to the House?
excelsiorlef
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Not for everyone.
He voted for the GOP plan.
He just didn't want a repeal with nothing in its place
Carpe Carnim
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True, never overestimate the attention span of the average American voter, but there are 24 votes in the House and three in the Senate that need to get reelected in districts Clinton won.
GoldenEye 007
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If there were no changes and the House just rubber stamped it, no. Would have went to Trump's desk because the Senate would have already approved that version of the bill.
Senators were willing to take themselves out of the process and trust Ryan not to do that. McCain, Collins, and Murkowsky thankfully didn't fall for that.
Journeywalker
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They only need to hold the House and get a net gain of 1 Senator in 2018, assuming McCain wasn't covering for any Republicans that didn't want to be on the record voting against the ammendment.
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