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Senate Republicans to make another attempt at Obamacare repeal

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^ Wouldn't McCain's seat be picked by the Governor to serve out his term?
It would, but there would be a special election at some point is my understanding. I could very well be wrong. But my understand is the governor picks his replacement and then there is a special election in 2018.

It really does depend on when he dies or if he actually resigns.
 

Stinkles

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Most GOP voters will still fall in line rather than vote for a Democrat. They run on fear not on logic or reason.

Lots of Trump voters were not GOP voters in the traditional sense. See also Reagan democrats.

There are plenty of blue leaning suckers and not just trumpets. Jill stein voters , even a chunk of Bernie Bros who fell for Russian planted nonsense. Untangling those people will be as big a challenge as getting out the vote. And they're going to need to be dishonestly seduced. Telling them they're suckers, even with objective proof, will either harden their positions or make them stay home.
 

Tovarisc

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He is getting consumed by this single thing...


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/891397134662193152
 

Brandon F

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fuck these assholes, so determined to take away health care from millions of Americans.

Corporate and wealthy tax breaks are the prime directive. Abolishing federal spending is just a bonus. They are pure scum.
 

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This is asssuming McCain somehow holds on past 2018 which is highly unlikely. Depending on when he dies, the seat will be open which is a lot easier compared to Cruz's.


Sherrod Brown will win (Mandel is not beating Sherrod, the one person who would have beaten Brown is Kasich so we are fine there).

That prick Manchin should win still as he is still popular in WV

That's generally what I'm anticipating. Manchin and Brown will hold on in Ohio and WV. I think Bill Nelson will probably hold on in Florida but we'll see what happens there. Wisconsin will probably lean towards Tammy Baldwin, unless a top tier Republican decides to throw their hat in the ring.

That leaves Montana, Indiana, North Dakota, and Missouri. Have you heard about anything in those 4 races?
 

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That's generally what I'm anticipating. Manchin and Brown will hold on in Ohio and WV. I think Bill Nelson will probably hold on in Florida but we'll see what happens there. Wisconsin will probably lean towards Tammy Baldwin, unless a top tier Republican decides to throw their hat in the ring.

That leaves Montana, Indiana, North Dakota, and Missouri. Have you heard about anything in those 4 races?
North Dakota should be safe. Their D senator has like a 60+ approval rating there.

Missouri and Indiana are the tricky ones but they could survive with a blue wave and incumbency advantage.
 

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Hasn't he said on several occasions to let it fail? Then he wakes up the next day and thrashes around in bed with his phone, unable to let it go because he's an unstable, demented pissant.

That was before he started endorsing it and owning this failed bill.
 

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That was before he started endorsing it and owning this failed bill.

Before? I think he said it again right after it failed the other night. Something like "like I said all along, just let it collapse!"

Pretending like he can muster a single coherent/consistent belief in decades.
 

UberTag

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The Senate doesn't go on recess for another two weeks. He's going to keep throwing tantrums and calling them losers until he gets his precious "win".
He probably wants something done before he leaves for his 18-day golfing excursion in Jersey next Thursday.
 

Tovarisc

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The Senate doesn't go on recess for another two weeks. He's going to keep throwing tantrums and calling them losers until he gets his precious "win".
He probably wants something done before he leaves for his 18-day golfing excursion in Jersey next Thursday.

Also most likely knows that it's now or never moment for this. After recess GOP has to focus on small things like budget and tax stuff and then 2018 is here.
 

UberTag

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Also most likely knows that it's now or never moment for this. After recess GOP has to focus on small things like budget and tax stuff and then 2018 is here.
We know this. I'm not sure Trump does. I fully suspect he'll be barking about repealing Obamacare still in September. He could give a rat's ass about the budget and tax stuff and the debt ceiling until he eliminates Obama's core accomplishment and gets the needed wheels in motion for tax breaks for millionaires.
 

Brandon F

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This is all too much day after day. What are the chances of Democrats winning a majority in the Senate in 2018? I can't take this anymore...

None of us can. 50% of eligible voters in the country sat out on the sidelines last Nov.

The last 6 months hopefully woke them enough to realize the consequences of whatever they were felt was more important. 2018 needs to ruin these fucks. Bring back dignity and rationale to our governance.
 

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As someone with a fairly basic understanding of the US Senate, is this not insanity?

Trump doing this, even if he gets his win is going to gut the republicans in the mid-terms. They've already thrown so much at this to try and get a win and failed. All he is doing now is pissing off his base even more.

Also how bad is this going to look if they can't get it to pass a second time? The GOP and Republicans already look like morons for not achieving anything of significance with majority control of both the House and Senate. They can't really afford a loss like this, especially one where so much of their voter base is going to be damaged.
 

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He's right. They should keep trying to pass this """reform""" in utter futility, achieving nothing until, hopefully, Meuller finds something that makes impeachment a more pressing issue.

They are never impeaching him. We have to wait for the 2018 elections to be over to see what happens.

Imagine if Dems get a majority in 2018, Trump will be even crazier.
 

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They are never impeaching him. We have to wait for the 2018 elections to be over to see what happens.

Imagine if Dems get a majority in 2018, Trump will be even crazier.
Hopefully there's someone on standby to play Lucy to pull the nuclear football away when Donny tries to kick it.

 

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Before? I think he said it again right after it failed the other night. Something like "like I said all along, just let it collapse!"

Pretending like he can muster a single coherent/consistent belief in decades.
Yep, he said that yesterday and his pathetic excuse for a "press conference." That, of course, he was right all along to let it collapse. And now he's back at it again.
 

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As someone with a fairly basic understanding of the US Senate, is this not insanity?

Trump doing this, even if he gets his win is going to gut the republicans in the mid-terms. They've already thrown so much at this to try and get a win and failed. All he is doing now is pissing off his base even more.

Also how bad is this going to look if they can't get it to pass a second time? The GOP and Republicans already look like morons for not achieving anything of significance with majority control of both the House and Senate. They can't really afford a loss like this, especially one where so much of their voter base is going to be damaged.
It is insanity. The last bill polled was at 17% approval. Trump's approval is high 30's, so even a lot of the people who like him think the bill's a raging dumpster fire. Senate republicans would like nothing more than to let it slip away, but Trump's an idiot so he keeps banging his head against it.
 

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-House is already on vacation. See you after Labor Day.
-McCain's in chemo for 6 weeks. GOP only has 51 votes for any possible thing.
 

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You know this probably could be solved by, you know, actually having a health care plan on the table

I like how mccain was all like "we have to work with democrats to form a a better bipartisan bill"

Trump is like: "change the rules so we don't have to work with anyone!"

Dude really is like a forum troll.
 

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The part this leaves out is that the house can just skip the conference and just pass the bill as is...that is what McCain was afraid of and why he said he voted against it. And reports were coming out Paul Ryan was getting ready to tell people to just push it through so he was right to be worried.

Yes but you're completely missing my point

Forget about the house for a minute

The Senate never voted on passing a bill. They voted on amending the bill. Once they agreed on the text they still have to pass the bill. They did not get that far
 
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That's generally what I'm anticipating. Manchin and Brown will hold on in Ohio and WV. I think Bill Nelson will probably hold on in Florida but we'll see what happens there. Wisconsin will probably lean towards Tammy Baldwin, unless a top tier Republican decides to throw their hat in the ring.

That leaves Montana, Indiana, North Dakota, and Missouri. Have you heard about anything in those 4 races?
from least danger to most danger
Tester, McCaskill, Heitkamp, and Donnelly

Tester is still popular and will be okay probably of the 4

McCaskill is in more danger, but the good thing for her is that Goppers's best challengers have turned down the nomination so far is my understanding

Heitkamp has been good at being a chameleon and appealing to her constituents, but it's tough going for her.

Donnelly, it's not easy considering the climate in Indiana.
 

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-House is already on vacation. See you after Labor Day.
-McCain's in chemo for 6 weeks. GOP only has 51 votes for any possible thing.
McCain lit a fuse and walked away with his middle finger pointing back. Any vote now hinges on flipping Murkowski or Collins, and flipping them almost assuredly means losing R votes to pick up D ones instead.
 

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It's just like our mothers always said: 'If at first you don't succeed in killing the sick and poor then try, try, try again'.
 

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Tester, McCaskill, Heitkamp, and Donnelly

Tester is still popular and will be okay probably of the 4

McCaskill is in more danger, but the good thing for her is that Goppers's best challengers have turned down the nomination so far is my understanding

Heitkamp has been good at being a chameleon and appealing to her constituents, but it's tough going for her.

Donnelly, it's not easy considering the climate in Indiana.

I'd only be worried about McCaskill and Donnelly, the way things are going.
 

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from least danger to most danger
Tester, McCaskill, Heitkamp, and Donnelly

Tester is still popular and will be okay probably of the 4

McCaskill is in more danger, but the good thing for her is that Goppers's best challengers have turned down the nomination so far is my understanding

Heitkamp has been good at being a chameleon and appealing to her constituents, but it's tough going for her.

Donnelly, it's not easy considering the climate in Indiana.

Considering that Carrier plant just up and started poofing after Pence and Trump lied through their teeth, it might not be so bad for Donnelly. That was Indiana, right?
 

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This is all too much day after day. What are the chances of Democrats winning a majority in the Senate in 2018? I can't take this anymore...

10%. The most we can expect is two seats right now. Nevada is likely to go blue, and Arizona might be a toss-up. Anywhere else though?...

Not likely at all. Dems will be playing heavy defense this round. We have too many seats that are open for the vote.
 

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10%. The most we can expect is two seats right now. Nevada is likely to go blue, and Arizona might be a toss-up. Anywhere else though?...


Not likely at all. Dems will be playing heavy defense this round. We have too many seats that are open for the vote.
Yeah. While I'd love to take out Ted Cruz, that's not likely to happen. It's morbid, but our best shot for taking back the Senate in 2018 is if there are two seats to pick up in Arizona.
 

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10%. The most we can expect is two seats right now. Nevada is likely to go blue, and Arizona might be a toss-up. Anywhere else though?...


Not likely at all. Dems will be playing heavy defense this round. We have too many seats that are open for the vote.
Yeah, senate ain't looking good. Good news is we need 24 seats in the house and the DNC has claimed they're pouring efforts into roughly 6 dozen R seats they see as vulnerable, so here's hoping.