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pramod

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Here's mine:

Was talking to my financial advisor about buying an S&P500 Index fund:

"So these are 5 star rated funds, and although there is some risk and the market is already quite high, I think it'll still do well..."

"Oh? Why is that?"

"Well, because looks like Trump will be re-elected, so..."
 

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the fact that Bloomberg is in there at all. we need another billionaire New York loudmouth?

like, why vote Bloomberg when you can just vote Trump? at least Trump was portrayed as the "cool businessman" in the media for decades. rappers used to namedrop him in their songs. nobody has ever thought Bloomberg was cool.

it's beyond stupid.
 
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I wonder if less people will go and vote for him because of the assumption that they don't have to. I imagine some of that happened with Hillary being the "guaranteed winner" last time.

Go out and vote! Keep America Great Always Again For Four More Years Until Ivanka (KAGAAFFMYUI). It just rolls off the tongue.
 
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Here's mine:

Was talking to my financial advisor about buying an S&P500 Index fund:

"So these are 5 star rated funds, and although there is some risk and the market is already quite high, I think it'll still do well..."

"Oh? Why is that?"

"Well, because looks like Trump will be re-elected, so..."
Economy is doing well, no weird world wars, global financial meltdown crisis, or anything odd. Some of those countries with shady economies like Greece and Argentina have zipped it lately too. There have been times when those govs would be looking for IMF bail outs and the markets would sink for a week.

So things will hum along. No need to rock the boat.

And every democrat executive has zipped it too.

When Trump was up for election in 2016, many companies (especially tech companies) were bashing him saying the markets will sink.

Complete opposite. All the usual tech companies are flying high with record profits. And every single one of them haven't said a word about Trump or sinking markets since.

Funny how big profits and annual bonuses shut people up.
 
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Madonis

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this is pretty much where I stand

I look at these old as fuck people and think “this is really the best we could do?”
Honestly, I don't like having so many old men running either.

That said, Sanders is more coherent than Biden...or Trump, at least for now.

I think it's going to be close, either way, yet he has arguably the best chance on paper (despite my not being with him on every issue).
 
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Bernie seems to be the front runner for the dems. He is quite possibly a worse candidate than Hillary. We saw how that played out...
 

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My friends in the UK see many similarities between Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn got absolutely crushed by Boris Johnson who the online media were ridiculing as much as trump. We just think history is going to repeat itself.
 
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Why he might: the economy is strong, he's the incumbent, there are a lot of ignorant people in this country who seem to love constantly voting against their own best interests.

Why he might not: Theres a small chance Sanders actually will be the D nominee. If that happens theres also a chance that at that point the Dems will actually back him. It would mean game over for Trump.
 
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This reddit thread - filled with a LOT of real answers and a lot of people who seem to be doing it. There is a lot of noise in that thread as well.

 
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3+ years of practically nothing but Trump Bad! I barely even know what the DNC's goals or agenda is anymore as that's all I've seen for years. I know they have them but it's presented to me, as someone who isn't consumed by the news but does keep up with it, as their whole agenda. Vote for Dem candidate or Bernie! Why? They aren't Trump!!!! Fucking hell you need to be more than NOT the other guy.
 

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Bernie Sanders cannot beat Donald Trump. Once they get to the debates, it will even be apparent to the most hardline of Bernie’s supporters.
 

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It's probably gonna be Sanders, and it's gonna be a bloodbath imo. He's just not cut out for this, and his policies are indefensible. For example, on Fox News Sunday, he told Chris Wallace (and I'm paraphrasing) "we pay for every program we're going to implement." While telling Nora O' Donnell just days earlier that he has no idea how much his programs are going to cost. This is currently the Democratic frontrunner, and he's not a serious candidate; can't be with inconsistent messaging on something so fundamental.
 

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I think the current objective party split in the DNC will lead to an objective win if they don't find a way to fix it BEFORE ST.
 

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You want a crazy anecdote? 25 million people follow Trump on Facebook (and it was still high before he won). Meanwhile 5.3 million follow Bernie. I have 60 friends that follow Trump. 7 that follow Bernie.

No matter what some loud millennial screams out from the rooftops about Bernie, the public isn't going to vote for some mad scientist looking socialist
 

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Why he might: the economy is strong, he's the incumbent, there are a lot of ignorant people in this country who seem to love constantly voting against their own best interests.

Why he might not: Theres a small chance Sanders actually will be the D nominee. If that happens theres also a chance that at that point the Dems will actually back him. It would mean game over for Trump.
This thinking is why Trump will win. Democrats and the media have been name calling the quiet kids for four years now. It won't turn out well.
 
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It's probably gonna be Sanders, and it's gonna be a bloodbath imo. He's just not cut out for this, and his policies are indefensible. For example, on Fox News Sunday, he told Chris Wallace (and I'm paraphrasing) "we pay for every program we're going to implement." While telling Nora O' Donnell just days earlier that he has no idea how much his programs are going to cost.
no presidential candidate has ever detailed how all their programs would cost. we still don't even know the full cost of the W era wars. this is a non issue. something for the money men to work out later.
this is pretty much where I stand

I look at these old as fuck people and think “this is really the best we could do?”
yeah i am a huge Bernie stan, have been since 2008, wanted to vote for him in 2016, but damn, it feels like his entire presidency is hinging on a prayer.

Dems should have been bettering themselves, they should have been recruiting, building networks, big tent, etc. where is the 20 year younger version of Bernie? where are the alternatives to GND? beyond corporate carbon laws and immigration policy (both beneficial to the ruling employer class) what are they offering to the everyday Americans who live here? i wouldn't trust most of the candidates to organize a birthday party.

it's like they really thought "Trump is so bad we don't have to do anything but point that out" and are adamant about keeping on that path despite it being a failed strategy.
 
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My anecdotal evidence is that only Twitter thinks he's not winning again. Same with his first run. Same with Brexit. Same with the last UK election.

The real world is very different.
Right, the good ol' Michael Pachter effect:

If Pachter Twitter says something is the case, then reality must be the opposite.
 

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Why he might: the economy is strong, he's the incumbent, there are a lot of ignorant people in this country who seem to love constantly voting against their own best interests.

Why he might not: Theres a small chance Sanders actually will be the D nominee. If that happens theres also a chance that at that point the Dems will actually back him. It would mean game over for Trump.
Chortle.
 

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no presidential candidate has ever detailed how all their programs would cost. we still don't even know the full cost of the W era wars. this is a non issue. something for the money men to work out later.
Sanders is proposing spending nearly 100 trillion dollars over 10 years according to estimates, which is so far removed from what other candidates have proposed. He damn well better have an answer for how he's gonna pay for it, because I've already heard economists say that he could tax billionaires 100 percent and it still wouldn't remotely cover his planned spending.
 
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Sanders is proposing spending nearly 100 trillion dollars over 10 years according to estimates, which is so far removed from what other candidates have proposed. He damn well better have an answer for how he's gonna pay for it, because I've already heard economists say that he could tax billionaires 100 percent and it still wouldn't remotely cover his planned spending.
Thats the problem, there aren’t enough billionaires for those taxes to make a difference.

To fund his promise he’s eventually going to have to tax upper middle class people, pretty much anyone that makes six figures is going to be paying for this.

Theres a huge difference between someone bringing in $400K year and an actual millionaire/billionaire, and they are going to lump high income earners such as myself with people who are actually rich which isn’t fair.
 
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Trump is incumbent and nothing has changed to make him get less votes than last time. The Democrats only chance is a high turnout by voters that stayed home last time because they thought Hilary was a lock.
 

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Thats the problem, there aren’t enough billionaires for those taxes to make a difference.

To fund his promise he’s eventually going to have to tax upper middle class people, pretty much anyone that makes six figures is going to be paying for this.

Theres a huge difference between someone bringing in $400K year and an actual millionaire/billionaire, and they are going to lump high income earners such as myself with people who are actually rich which isn’t fair.
That's the real problem with grievance culture; there's always someone above you that can be castigated for not paying their "fair share." To someone making 50 grand a year, Bernie Sanders is going to tell them that people like you are greedy, slothful pricks, who've been enjoying far too many benefits and not giving enough back. The problem is that there are always going to be people with more than others; to a person making 30 grand a year, a person making 100 grand is wealthy. And when you have disingenuous assholes running around trying to push this economic tribalism it goes in a downward spiral.

I don't feel it fair that the government takes as much money as they do from me or anyone else for that matter. When people say they want to see someone taxed at 90+ percent just because they've excelled at life and done well? I don't think that's American thinking. I'm sorry, I just don't. Who am I to judge anyone's life based on an arbitrary number that they get paid each year? I don't think it's honest to just look at someone's W2 and assume to know how they got there, what they did better, and so forth. In short, I just fucking hate class warfare because it appeals to the lowest denominator of human nature. When I look at my check each week and I see that these motherfuckers take a third of it, I just get enraged, because I see how they spend it and it's often on waste and garbage. And they haven't done a good job on selling me that the solution to all of our woes is to give them more of the money and more control over it.
 
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When people say they want to see someone taxed at 90+ percent just because they've excelled at life and done well? I don't think that's American thinking. I'm sorry, I just don't.
Generally, the people who say that are referring to a purely marginal tax and not applying it to all your income.

Say, only 90% of what you earn above a certain amount, such as the portion that is above a million dollars.

The U.S. has historically employed much higher marginal tax rates in the past. Going back to such levels wouldn't be un-American.

 
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Why he might: the economy is strong, he's the incumbent, there are a lot of ignorant people in this country who seem to love constantly voting against their own best interests.

Why he might not: Theres a small chance Sanders actually will be the D nominee. If that happens theres also a chance that at that point the Dems will actually back him. It would mean game over for Trump.
The working class isn't stupid, though the intellectuals treat them as such. And they aren't voting against their interests... most just don't agree with you. They don't want free things. They want a fair shake, and the freedom and chance to succeed.

While the left pretends to be for the working class, they actually hate the working class [ignorant racists with plumber's crack, white trash rednecks, muscle bound bros, God fearin' rubes]... and the working class sees this two faced bullshit for what it is. That is, the working class recognizes the intellectual class as two-faced fart sniffers and admires the rich as success stories ... and the intellectuals will never forgive them for this. They hate that the working class doesn't believe their promises, and votes for Trump - crying 'why oh why are those deplorables "voting against their own best interests", those sad ignorant racists'.

Capitalism offers the working class a fair shake, and a chance to succeed. It isn't perfect, no system is. But it beats the hell out of standing in breadlines while The Party of intellectuals eats caviar and looks down their noses at everyone else. It's why Bernie supporters tend to be young, well off, college educated kids pretending to be working class rebels and antifa.
 
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Sanders has the biggest dedicated base of supporters. They will tear down anyone else. As a Yang supporter on Twitter, Sanders supporters were the most vicious and spread the most disinformation about Yang even though his proposals would be phenomenal for the poor and working class.

Simultaneously, the DNC insiders and many other Democrats will do whatever they can to undermine Sanders.

Darned if it's Bernie; darned if it's not.

Even besides that, incumbent presidents rarely lose. When they do, it's because of a bad economy and a charisma/enthusiasm gap. The economy is on steroids (though there are fundamental problems that don't show up in the headline numbers), and Trump has boatloads of charisma and enthusiasm on his side.
 
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Do you happen to have a bit more than 11 seconds here? This is hardly conclusive to the claim.
He says it clear as day. How is that not conclusive that he said it? :messenger_confused: It hasn't been taken out of context, the whole event is out there.
 

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C'mon Yoshi, we even talked about it on GAF.


How many times do we have to put you in a headlock and force-feed you redpills?
Excuse me if I do not remember everything ever posted on GAF, let alone read everything JordanN posts.
He says it clear as day. How is that not conclusive that he said it? :messenger_confused: It hasn't been taken out of context, the whole event is out there.
According to what DDP posted it is not the case, but just going by the excerpt it could have been said within a context where it is understood that only a specific group of white people could be under consideration. This is a surprising thing for me to read from Sanders, even considering the clarification, because he has been talking about class issues independent of ethnical issues for a long time, so this is a pretty major error to make for him.
 

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Excuse me if I do not remember everything ever posted on GAF, let alone read everything JordanN posts.

According to what DDP posted it is not the case, but just going by the excerpt it could have been said within a context where it is understood that only a specific group of white people could be under consideration. This is a surprising thing for me to read from Sanders, even considering the clarification, because he has been talking about class issues independent of ethnical issues for a long time, so this is a pretty major error to make for him.
I'm not expecting you to remember everything, but your track record of stubborn pedantry is hard to forget.
 

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I wonder if less people will go and vote for him because of the assumption that they don't have to. I imagine some of that happened with Hillary being the "guaranteed winner" last time.

Go out and vote! Keep America Great Always Again For Four More Years Until Ivanka (KAGAAFFMYUI). It just rolls off the tongue.
If the New Hampshire primary is anything to go by, that aint happening. Double the votes Obama had in 2012, Trumpers arent resting on their laurels.

Generally, the people who say that are referring to a purely marginal tax and not applying it to all your income.

Say, only 90% of what you earn above a certain amount, such as the portion that is above a million dollars.

The U.S. has historically employed much higher marginal tax rates in the past. Going back to such levels wouldn't be un-American.

The average tax % paid has dropped less than 10% since the 90% rates of the 50s.