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Shuhei Yoshida: Western more focused on Japanese games, problems with DOAX3
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missing out! Y5 is excellent. I dunno how anyone can skip any entry for story purposes.
The Lamonster
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Maybe Shu is talking about the "controversy" about the cleavage in Dragon's Crown.
still a stretch though, so I really have no idea
still a stretch though, so I really have no idea
Well that's dumb. I'm a westerner and I am a strong proponent of boobs.
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Deleted member 17706
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He's definitely referring to the Polygon review. That made the rounds on GAF at the time if I remember correctly.
FF Seraphim
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And I cannot image how it hurt the sales of DC (just glad this was vanillaware's best selling game), some of the criticism was just directed at the art direction of the game. I can understand not liking the art but to give the game a 6.5 because it is silly reviewing.
InsaneTiger
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Shu's comment on DOAX3 makes sense. As I recall, the previous games never sold particularly well but were more of a cult classic among certain individuals.
Why waste money and time on localization if it sells poorly again? Release in Japan, wait for reaction.
Why waste money and time on localization if it sells poorly again? Release in Japan, wait for reaction.
clearly dying to try the series
Japan seems disconnected to the actual reality of their games. Like it was mentioned already, we've been playing and loving Japanese games since the 80's. People's favorite games of all time are from Japan. Even today, my favorite games are Japanese based. (Demon's Souls, Bloodborne, Dragon's Dogma, NEIR, anything by Platinum/Vanillaware, Dragon Quest)
Doesn't he remember anything from the PS2 era?
Doesn't he remember anything from the PS2 era?
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
To be fair, you've seen all you need to for Persona 5. You're going to buy the shit out of it and so am I. It's essentially an offline single player game, the more they show the worse it is for the story; its main draw. They'll do a blowout once the game is a month or so out and that's all they'll need.
I think your fanboyism may be getting you a bit hot and bothered. I agree with your previous points though.
In a world where GTA, COD, and AC make stacks of cash hand over fist, it's not hard to see what he means. Obviously he knows that there's a western audience.
It was obvious like the sun that the game was given intentionally to the writer that had the biggest bone to pick with it. The responsibility lays as much on the reviews editor as on the reviewer.
hellmonkey
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Perhaps.
kuroneko0509
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I believe the argument on the other side has isn't so much nudity as it is sexism and objectification.
Nikodemos
Member
I concur with this sentiment.
Ganzlinger
Member
Or South America, por favor.
Fans gave up on vita because the memory card were ridiculously overpriced and we didn't buy a lot of the games.
It reminded me of a certain incident that got me banned with regards to mgsv quiet and the child soldiers bit. Anyways, I think we are reaching a point where I yearn for developers to treat the act of killing or death very seriously. No game has made a real issue of the act of killing as much. Both tlou and spec ops tried but they still haven't made it unpleasant to kill
paragonpro
Banned
As far as dragon crowns bad reviews, its no different than bayonetta 2. There are certain reviewers who hold there belifes far to firmly to looks at something with out bias. i dont know who reviewed dragons crown, but bayonetta 2 receiving a 7 purely out of a strong belife or fear of mysoginism or sexism (not that I belive the game was either of these things) is completely assanine
But art style goes a long way. I have DC via PS+ but I've never even booted up the game at all, and I thought Muramasa was pretty decent as well. You can have a good game, but if it's annoying to look at and experience it detracts from the overall product. It's a similar situation to Bayonetta, Star Ocean 4 and Final Fantasy X-2 which were enjoyable to actually play but had other factors in how they were presented bringing the game down
and then some well known feminists like Wu later said Bayonetta was an awesome character in Bayo 2 in contrast to those reviews.
NinjaCoachZ
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P5 is weird. I feel like it was only announced as early as it was in order to prevent people from getting worried the franchise was stagnating, since they announced it simultaneously with a bunch of Persona 4 spinoffs.
We only saw it at TGS next year so they could say, "yeah, it's being delayed, but here's a PS4 port".
After that I get the impression they knew it was being delayed again and the TGS '15 stuff was just to assure us it was still coming in spite of it.
I have a feeling that if it weren't for having to dissuade all those potential "too much Persona 4" concerns in 2013, we wouldn't have even been seeing anything of the game until 2016 to begin with. Which is much closer to Atlus's usual announcement --> release schedule.
paragonpro
Banned
Honestly, this is it. It's the one clear differentiator between this edition and the previous entries. You can see the difference in perception even just on this forum in comparison to the previous games.. and it'd certainly extrapolate beyond that if it were sitting on store shelves.
Vlaphor
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They actually sell quite well considering their niche and that they were a Japanese tuned game series on consoles that barely exist in Japan.
With two main games and one side game, the series is at about 900k sold. Senran Kagura has four main games and three side games on consoles far more popular in Japan and that series of games recently sold one million. I think DOAX 3 would sell just fine in the west.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...Right-to-Publish-Dead-or-Alive-Xtreme-3-in-US
people offering themselves to distribute DOAX3. This might comee to the west possiblyyy...
people offering themselves to distribute DOAX3. This might comee to the west possiblyyy...
Chaos2Frozen
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The West do buy Japanese games.
They just buy so much more Western games than Japanese games with less convincing needed. Of course it would be surprising.
Not all but it certainly feels like most do buy those games.
They just buy so much more Western games than Japanese games with less convincing needed. Of course it would be surprising.
Not all but it certainly feels like most do buy those games.
CertifiedFP
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I can't help but feel that we might need a second-opinion translation of whatever this interview was. A lot of this comes out rather awkwardly.
I can't help but feel that we might need a second-opinion translation of whatever this interview was. A lot of this comes out rather awkwardly.
It's accurate. Just fairly literal in the wording, which is what makes some things sound awkward. Like "evaluate" would probably sound better as "appreciate."
FF Seraphim
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This would make a valid point if the person reviewing DC didn't already have a bias against it, so the editor should of found a person who didn't have something against the game from the get go.
Dead Prince
Banned
he reads gaf. anything lower than 90 is deemed failure.
I can't help but feel that we might need a second-opinion translation of whatever this interview was. A lot of this comes out rather awkwardly.
I took it to mean that people from the West analyse and scrutinise Japanese games even more than they do themselves.
mrmickfran
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I kind of agree with you. When reviewing a game you shouldn't do so with any preconceived notions and beliefs that already impact it either positively or negatively. Nor should concerns about the industry and the wider medium. A product should be reviewed on it's own values whichever way they lie.
But that's kind if hard to do since reviews are subjective. It's nigh on impossible to isolate a game from everything else around it. But that's also why I generally find reviews a waste of time. At least the scoring of them anyway
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Deleted member 17706
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While that is probably true, too, that's not what Shu said.
radios shipping overview
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beelulzebub
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I think in a market with Senran Kagura, Akiba's Trip and Criminal Girls in it that if Tecmo thought DOAX3 would be profitable, they would release it. Gamers are scared of the non-existent SJW boogeyman. Companies where the bottom line is their number one priority are not.
DR2K
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Yup. If there's a western version she will not be on it.
Did everyone forget the huge humbug over Dragon's Crown when it was released? A bunch of major outlets gave it terrible scores because they said the art objectified the Sorceress, Amazon and Elf too much.
Nobody remember when Jason Schreier called George Kamitani a 14 year old because the Sorceress had big boobs? He also attempted to call Kamitani fired back and everyone called him homophobic.
There were very divisive threads about it here. Schreier posted here about it. Every single major outlet had a stance on it.
This shit not ring bells?
Nobody remember when Jason Schreier called George Kamitani a 14 year old because the Sorceress had big boobs? He also attempted to call Kamitani fired back and everyone called him homophobic.
There were very divisive threads about it here. Schreier posted here about it. Every single major outlet had a stance on it.
This shit not ring bells?
She's in the western version of Dead or Alive 5, and that already lets you put her in swimsuits and a bunch of other fetish outfits with different camera angles. It's not like DoAX3 has nudity or sex scenes, or anything, and it's honestly more tame than a lot of other games that get localized these days.
Dragon's Crown is also Vanillaware's best-selling game, the "controversy" helped it sell.
