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Ardorx

Banned
Don't believe Jaffe when he says it was a joke. That crafty bastard is trying to throw us off so Sony can hit us all with a TYPHOON of megaton price drops and bundles and fireworks!
 

spwolf

Member
Ardorx said:
Don't believe Jaffe when he says it was a joke. That crafty bastard is trying to throw us off so Sony can hit us all with a TYPHOON of megaton price drops and bundles and fireworks!

yea thats surely it :D

or maybe he set that high price on purpose so Sony can surprise us with $149 PS3!!!
 

Totobeni

An blind dancing ho
DangerousDave said:
You can buy a PS3 and a PS2 with 299$, then.

just to be fair I don't blame some guys who want BC unit , I didn't play any PS2 on my BC PS3 ( 60GB now 320GB ) since like a year and half now , so I don't care about that , but ..and there is a big but here ...

PS3 upscale PS2 games very very good ( not all , game with native lower res look like ass ) , it's result are millions years better than normal PS2 on an HDTV , and PS3 upscale PS2 Cell-shaded games magnificently , I dunno why but Cell shaded PS2 games looks fantastic and beyond amazing on the damn thing .
 

Ardorx

Banned
-Winnie- said:
I'm surprised it was up for so long. Usually you'd expect a leak like that to disappear within a few hours.


Sony is too busy tracking down the man that leaked the black market slim.
 

Kinan

Member
Totobeni said:
just to be fair I don't blame some guys who want BC unit , I didn't play any PS2 on my BC PS3 ( 60GB now 320GB ) since like a year and half now , so I don't care about that , but ..and there is a big but here ...

PS3 upscale PS2 games very very good ( not all , game with native lower res look like ass ) , it's result are millions years better than normal PS2 on an HDTV , and PS3 upscale PS2 Cell-shaded games magnificently , I dunno why but Cell shaded PS2 games looks fantastic and beyond amazing on the damn thing .

Currently playing DQVIII on my PS3 - it not only looks better than I remember it on PS2, it also loads faster. No way I'll give up that for slim, but I may consider moving fat to bedroom and buy Slim as a second system to put in main room if its indeed quieter. After all, its only half (or slightly more) of the investment I made at launch.
 

onken

Member
Totobeni said:
just to be fair I don't blame some guys who want BC unit , I didn't play any PS2 on my BC PS3 ( 60GB now 320GB ) since like a year and half now , so I don't care about that , but ..and there is a big but here ...

PS3 upscale PS2 games very very good ( not all , game with native lower res look like ass ) , it's result are millions years better than normal PS2 on an HDTV , and PS3 upscale PS2 Cell-shaded games magnificently , I dunno why but Cell shaded PS2 games looks fantastic and beyond amazing on the damn thing .

Eh, they look about the same as a bog-standard AV receiver upscaling via compoenent. The real pull for me is the convinience factor of an all-in-one unit and using an official wireless pad without having to resort to some 3rd party shit.

Having said that, I think PS2 emulation on the PC has reached a stage where I can finally say goodbye to my 60GB (which is on it's last legs anyway) and get a slim.
 

Doctor_No

Member
Possibility of PS2 backwards compatibility coming soon?

Sony patents on July 30th 2009 technology to emulate the "Graphics Synthesizer" on the PS2 using the Cell & RSX:

Previously there was a patent to emulate the "Emotion Engine", however this new patent demonstrates a method to emulate both EE and GS.

Link with more pictures:
http://gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090803_ps2_on_ps3/

Patent directory:
http://www6.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/Tokujitu/tjsogodb.ipdl?N0000=101
the patent ID is 「文献種別:A、文献番号:2009-527836」

ps2_on_ps303_m.png


[PDF] Link: http://www23.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/PDF/display/JPA_2009527836.pdf?id=9986
 

tass0

Banned
Doctor_No said:
Possibility of PS2 backwards compatibility coming soon?

Sony patents on July 30th 2009 technology to emulate the "Graphics Synthesizer" on the PS2 using the Cell & RSX:

Previously there was a patent to emulate the "Emotion Engine", however this new patent demonstrates a method to emulate both EE and GS.

Link with more pictures:
http://gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090803_ps2_on_ps3/

Patent directory:
http://www6.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/Tokujitu/tjsogodb.ipdl?N0000=101
the patent ID is 「文献種別:A、文献番号:2009-527836」

ps2_on_ps303_m.png


[PDF] Link: http://www23.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/PDF/display/JPA_2009527836.pdf?id=9986

It begins.
 

DCharlie

Banned
$199 PS3 but $249 PSP Go?

also - why would Sony throw away the $399 price etc ?

go to $449 - is it selling? no? can we afford another cut? no/yes - wait, or cut --->
go to $399 - is it selling? no? can we afford another cut? no/yes - wait, or cut --->
go to $349 - is it selling? no? can we afford another cut? no/yes - wait, or cut --->
go to $299 - is it selling? etc...

the plus is if it DOES sell at any point.

you can't undo a low price that hurts you, but you can play the LOOKIT ALL THAT VALUE!! with price drops (IF you can afford them)

It begins.

just in time too!
 

jsnepo

Member
Doctor_No said:
Possibility of PS2 backwards compatibility coming soon?

Sony patents on July 30th 2009 technology to emulate the "Graphics Synthesizer" on the PS2 using the Cell & RSX:

Previously there was a patent to emulate the "Emotion Engine", however this new patent demonstrates a method to emulate both EE and GS.

Link with more pictures:
http://gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090803_ps2_on_ps3/

Patent directory:
http://www6.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/Tokujitu/tjsogodb.ipdl?N0000=101
the patent ID is 「文献種別:A、文献番号:2009-527836」

ps2_on_ps303_m.png


[PDF] Link: http://www23.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/PDF/display/JPA_2009527836.pdf?id=9986

Is this for real? OMFG! Please add it as a firmware update. Please add it as a firmware update. Please add it as a firmware update. Please add it as a firmware update. Please add it as a firmware update.
 

Woodsy

Banned
It's gotta come, I just hope they do it right and have a huge fucking library of PS2 games available upon launch and not this trickle of PSX games that come out.
 
Doctor_No said:
Possibility of PS2 backwards compatibility coming soon?

Sony patents on July 30th 2009 technology to emulate the "Graphics Synthesizer" on the PS2 using the Cell & RSX:

Previously there was a patent to emulate the "Emotion Engine", however this new patent demonstrates a method to emulate both EE and GS.

Link with more pictures:
http://gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090803_ps2_on_ps3/

Patent directory:
http://www6.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/Tokujitu/tjsogodb.ipdl?N0000=101
the patent ID is 「文献種別:A、文献番号:2009-527836」

ps2_on_ps303_m.png


[PDF] Link: http://www23.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/PDF/display/JPA_2009527836.pdf?id=9986

So, The slim coming, Firmware 3.0 on the way, Gran Turismo launching this year, possibility of PS2 backwards compatibility in all models. . .Sony are really coming out fighting. Bloomin' eck.
 

Fuzzy

I would bang a hot farmer!
WhiteAce said:
$199 PS3 but $249 PSP Go?

also - why would Sony throw away the $399 price etc ?

go to $449 - is it selling? no? can we afford another cut? no/yes - wait, or cut --->
go to $399 - is it selling? no? can we afford another cut? no/yes - wait, or cut --->
go to $349 - is it selling? no? can we afford another cut? no/yes - wait, or cut --->
go to $299 - is it selling? etc...

the plus is if it DOES sell at any point.

you can't undo a low price that hurts you, but you can play the LOOKIT ALL THAT VALUE!! with price drops (IF you can afford them)
Multiple price drops in a short time (for example, two in 6 months) would hurt consumer confidence.
 

Totobeni

An blind dancing ho
Doctor_No said:
Possibility of PS2 backwards compatibility coming soon?

Sony patents on July 30th 2009 technology to emulate the "Graphics Synthesizer" on the PS2 using the Cell & RSX:

Previously there was a patent to emulate the "Emotion Engine", however this new patent demonstrates a method to emulate both EE and GS.

Link with more pictures:
http://gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090803_ps2_on_ps3/

Patent directory:
http://www6.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/Tokujitu/tjsogodb.ipdl?N0000=101
the patent ID is 「文献種別:A、文献番号:2009-527836」

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/doctorno__/ps2_on_ps303_m.png

[PDF] Link: [url]http://www23.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/PDF/display/JPA_2009527836.pdf?id=9986[/url][/QUOTE]

Holy mother of all Shits :O
 

VOOK

We don't know why he keeps buying PAL, either.
Fuck yeah, the minute the PS2 goes back into my PS3 my Slim PS2 is getting tied behind my car for a couple of miles.
 

onken

Member
Doctor_No said:
Possibility of PS2 backwards compatibility coming soon?

Sony patents on July 30th 2009 technology to emulate the "Graphics Synthesizer" on the PS2 using the Cell & RSX:

Previously there was a patent to emulate the "Emotion Engine", however this new patent demonstrates a method to emulate both EE and GS.

Link with more pictures:
http://gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090803_ps2_on_ps3/

Patent directory:
http://www6.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/Tokujitu/tjsogodb.ipdl?N0000=101
the patent ID is 「文献種別:A、文献番号:2009-527836」

ps2_on_ps303_m.png


[PDF] Link: http://www23.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/PDF/display/JPA_2009527836.pdf?id=9986

Here I was about to slap you for posting the EE patent, you are the fucking mother of pleasant surprises.
 

Doc Evils

Member
Doctor_No said:
Possibility of PS2 backwards compatibility coming soon?

Sony patents on July 30th 2009 technology to emulate the "Graphics Synthesizer" on the PS2 using the Cell & RSX:

Previously there was a patent to emulate the "Emotion Engine", however this new patent demonstrates a method to emulate both EE and GS.

Link with more pictures:
http://gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090803_ps2_on_ps3/

Patent directory:
http://www6.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/Tokujitu/tjsogodb.ipdl?N0000=101
the patent ID is 「文献種別:A、文献番号:2009-527836」

ps2_on_ps303_m.png


[PDF] Link: http://www23.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/PDF/display/JPA_2009527836.pdf?id=9986


create a new thread dawg!
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
I'm not totally convinced that patent is what's being suggested.

Maybe someone with good Japanese could have a look.

The machine translation doesn't really mention too much about GS emulation. From what I can see this patent may indeed be still presuming the presence of a GS chip in the system.
 

Guy Legend

Member
Doctor_No said:
Possibility of PS2 backwards compatibility coming soon?

Sony patents on July 30th 2009 technology to emulate the "Graphics Synthesizer" on the PS2 using the Cell & RSX:

Previously there was a patent to emulate the "Emotion Engine", however this new patent demonstrates a method to emulate both EE and GS.

Link with more pictures:
http://gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090803_ps2_on_ps3/

Patent directory:
http://www6.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/Tokujitu/tjsogodb.ipdl?N0000=101
the patent ID is 「文献種別:A、文献番号:2009-527836」

ps2_on_ps303_m.png


[PDF] Link: http://www23.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/PDF/display/JPA_2009527836.pdf?id=9986

If PS2 bc comes to fruition again, real megaton.
 

jsnepo

Member
Here's a rough translation using Google Translate.

June 30 GIGAZINE Sony Computer Entertainment of America in the PS3's Cell processor using the CPU of the PS2 "Emotion Engine" that has patented the technology to reproduce the behavior, and earnest desire PS2 and PS3 is that it has reported progress to achieve compatibility, it became clear that some readers TAREKOMI from filing a patent in Japan by Sony.

What "Emotion Engine" as well as the current 40GB model or 80GB model PS3 with the PS2 you need to run software on the PS2 graphics processor "Graphics Synthesizer" the behavior of the PS3 are also on how to reproduce . Also, no need for special hardware modifications on the current PS3 model will be available to update the firmware and it is considered sufficient.

Details are below.


Agency "Museum of Industrial Property Information and Training" Public utility model patents in the database are open "document types: A, Publication No. :2009 -527,836" According to the search on July 30 on the Sony PS2 on the PS3 is on the patent applicant to run the software.

http://gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090803_ps2_on_ps3/
 
Wow, that's as official as it can get for now. If they unveiled the Slim, the price cut and PS2 BC in the same day, that would be killer. Anything else they talked about, new games, apps or services would be the icing on the cake.
 

onken

Member
gofreak said:
I'm not totally convinced that patent is what's being suggested.

Maybe someone with good Japanese could have a look.

The machine translation doesn't really mention too much about GS emulation. From what I can see this patent may indeed be still presuming the presence of a GS chip in the system.

Nope, that's exactly what it's saying:

なんと「Emotion Engine」だけでなく、現行の80GBモデルや40GBモデルのPS3でPS2ソフトを動作させるために必要なPS2のグラフィックプロセッサ「Graphics Synthesizer」の動作をPS3上で再現する方法についても言及されています。また、特別なハードウェア上の変更が必要ないため、現行モデルのPS3でもファームウェアのアップデートなどで利用できるようになる可能性は十分に考えられます。

Roughly: "[as well as EE software patent] 40/80GB models would need additional hardware (GS) to run PS2 software. It should be enough for existing models of PS3 to run [PS2 software] by means of a firmware update etc without special hardware.
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
Hmmm. Looking at that more I'm totally not convinced that this patent is suggesting GS emulation, as far as I can tell from machine translations at least.

ps2_on_ps303_m.png


This is the machine translation of the description of the above diagram:

SPE1110A IPU118
SPE1110B Emotion Engine CPU102 and vector unit 0
SPE1110C VIF0, VIF1, GIF110
SPE1110D vector unit 1
SPE1110E GS200 (that is, partial;SPE1110G [ peculiar to PS2 ] takes an interface with the emulation side graphics controller (not shown) again about the graphics operation which is not peculiar to PS2 among operations of GS200)
SPE1110F Although not generally used, in order to reduce the load of one thread of above-mentioned PPE1150, a code can be recompiled and the vector unit 1 can be emulated.
SPE1110G SPU300
SPE1110H IOP700 and SIF122

It's pretty much entirely concerned with EE emulation on Cell. There's no talk about how they'd emulate GS. The SPE1110E GS200 bit is just relating to an interface from CPU to a graphics chip, but not emulation of the graphics chip itself, I think.

onken said:
Nope, that's exactly what it's saying:



Roughly: "[as well as EE software patent] 40/80GB models would need additional hardware (GS) to run PS2 software. It should be enough for existing models of PS3 to run [PS2 software] by means of a firmware update etc without special hardware.

That's what the article is saying, not the patent... I'm wondering if the article authors picked it up wrong.
 

Doctor_No

Member
gofreak said:
I'm not totally convinced that patent is what's being suggested.

Maybe someone with good Japanese could have a look.

The machine translation doesn't really mention too much about GS emulation. From what I can see this patent may indeed be still presuming the presence of a GS chip in the system.

I can read Japanese, but I've posted the summary of what Gigazine has wrote since they seem to have gone through it. Quite honestly, this is not my area of technical expertise, if someone wants to comb through the patent and find out the technical details it would be nice.

Doc Evils said:
create a new thread dawg!

I'm not making a thread, but someone can feel free to make one.

nofi said:
I think the patent's a couple of years old.

It was filed on 2007, it was reviewed in October 2008, and published to the public a couple days ago.
 

onken

Member
gofreak said:
That's what the article is saying, not the patent... I'm wondering if the article authors picked it up wrong.

No offense, but the article is written by someone who can read the patent a lot better than you + Google translate.
 
Oh please be true. I have a 60gb PS3 but my fan is sounding suicidal when I start it. It goes quiet after 30 seconds but it cant be good.
 

Woodsy

Banned
lowrider007 said:
Downloadable PS2 title's here we come.

Come on Sony, money is here waiting.

This is more important than anything. If they just throw the BC back in there via emulation and don't offer a TON of games for download, then what's the point really? Revenues will not go up. However, if you offer up 200 or so of the best PS2 titles at $9.99 a pop, that's going to be a huge revenue gain for Sony.
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
onken said:
No offense, but the article is written by someone who can read the patent a lot better than you + Google translate.

I don't know how much I trust most online journalism, Japanese or not :p

If it was actually filed in 07 I think it makes it even less likely there's something new there.

I'd be delighted if someone could confirm the patent is what's suggested... I just have my doubts.
 

Totobeni

An blind dancing ho
Tenkai Star said:
Oh please be true. I have a 60gb PS3 but my fan is sounding suicidal when I start it. It goes quiet after 30 seconds but it cant be good.

clean ps3 with vacuum or send it to electronic repair shop and they will open it and fully clean it for you .


anyway I think EE+GS ( or GS+Cell ) will stay better than full software RSX+Cell emulator , just see Xbox 360 some original Xbox games have serious problems and the thing don't support most original Xbox games .
 
Totobeni said:
clean ps3 with vacuum or send it to electronic repair shop and they will open it and fully clean it for you .
I´m a goddamn electrical engineer. I can open it and clean it. Thats not the issue. It sounds like when you put your finger against the fan. I´m going to clean away dust but I don´t think thats the problem.
 

Kinan

Member
Well, patent filing and actual realization its two very different things. ANd GS emulation is one hell of a task due to extremely high edram bandwidth.
Still, if they can pull this off, many will be very, very happy, including customers, third-parties and Sony itself, so it does make sense to work on it very hard...


On the other hand, wow, how did i miss this leaked picture of the Slim? What the hell they did to the eject button?

slim_ps3.jpg
 

DMeisterJ

Banned
Doctor_No said:
Possibility of PS2 backwards compatibility coming soon?

Sony patents on July 30th 2009 technology to emulate the "Graphics Synthesizer" on the PS2 using the Cell & RSX:

Previously there was a patent to emulate the "Emotion Engine", however this new patent demonstrates a method to emulate both EE and GS.

Link with more pictures:
http://gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090803_ps2_on_ps3/

Patent directory:
http://www6.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/Tokujitu/tjsogodb.ipdl?N0000=101
the patent ID is 「文献種別:A、文献番号:2009-527836」

ps2_on_ps303_m.png


[PDF] Link: http://www23.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/PDF/display/JPA_2009527836.pdf?id=9986

!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS2 B/C!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I came.
 

onken

Member
gofreak said:
If it was actually filed in 07 I think it makes it even less likely there's something new there.

I'd be delighted if someone could confirm the patent is what's suggested... I just have my doubts.

Fair point, but then again who knows? Maybe they've had the capability all this time but didn't want to announce it until the patent came through?
 

Ettie

Member
Ho-lee Shit. This could really be a feature touted as "new" for the slim. Full b/c is a system seller in my household, count me in much earlier than originally anticipated if this is available at launch.

Wife says, " we can get rid of the PS2 and the Blu-ray player?" "Buy it."
 

Gomu Gomu

Member
Also, no need for special hardware modifications on the current PS3 model will be available to update the firmware and it is considered sufficient.
Please be true. OH PLEASE be true. Fing MGS4 80gb PS3's BC is shit. I hope this fixes it.
 
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