So do sony get their retrospective props yet?

[sun-drop]

Just wondering .... i see IGn put up a story recently about the death of HD-DVD , and noted that hey .. maybe putting blu-ray in ps3 wasn't a bad idea after all .. yeh .. funny that - who would have guessed.

Allways amazed me how short sighted some of the gaming, and tech press is some times, i think blu-ray in ps3 was pretty much the ONLY sensible option for sony, i mean wtf would you have done ??

and ps3 STILL outsold 360 worldwide through '07 .... all up it's worked out almost perfectly, wii maybing impacting things more than sony expected ..but then again i'd suggest ps2 is really more of a direct competing product than real nextgen systems.

And now sony stand to reep a ps2/dvd like effect with now surging ps3 sales due i would bet in large part to warner-gate, and now with walmart going blu-ray exclusive... and ps3 still being the 1st words from salepeople's lips thanks to it's updatability and the 2.0 profile ...


seriously ..in the grand company wide scheme of things ...could it poss be going any better for sony right now?

 

[BirdFlu]

They'll get props when they release something I want to play

 

[Cataferal]

It could be better. Sony are slowly pulling themselves out of a deep hole they dug themselves by starting with unnecessary changes/SKU's.

But overall, I'd say Sony are shuffling to a competitive beat once agan. We're all just waiting for them to break into the extravagant dance they promised at the start.

 

[Dante]

To many posters chagrin, I don't think Sony put BR in the PS3 on a whim, they had a well thought out strategy involving the PS3 and Blu Ray. I think it's actually going to pay off big time for them in the end. I never generally thought DVD=PS2, When I hear Blu Ray, it ties in mentally with the PS3 because it's been so heavilly marketed that way.

 

[dvdvideo]

and ps3 STILL outsold 360 worldwide through '07 .

What?

 

[Wollan]

What?

It's very close. Basically the X360 & PS3 sold shoulder to shoulder in 2007.
If you combine NPD(NA) + Media Create(Japan) + EA estimate for EU you have 100k or so in favor of MS.

 

[Dante]

What?

http://www.gameblews.com/?p=6116

Just a quick google, i never heard of em either, but they'll link you to the press releases.

 

[Kuroyume]

Props for what?

 

[jman2050]

Sony the company or Sony Computer Entertainment? The answer most appropriate depends on who you're talking about.

 

[Cataferal]

What?

Thank yurop.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Once Blue-ray discs are selling at a 1:1 with DVD's, than we can talk. Until then .. BR is just another bullet point on the box.

A very optimistic projection would have the PS3 selling between 60-70 million consoles this generation. A tremendous falloff from the previous two generations.

 

[SIP YEK NOD]

What?

The PS3 outsold bread in Europe while the 360 Sold on par with the gizmondo there. didn't you get the memo?

 

[captive]

Once Blue-ray discs are selling at a 1:1 with DVD's, than we can talk. Until then .. BR is just another bullet point on the box.

The problem is that blu-ray doesnt have to sell 1:1 with dvd to be a success, or even be considered a success.

 

[Shepherd]

Just wondering .... i see IGn put up a story recently about the death of HD-DVD , and noted that hey .. maybe putting blu-ray in ps3 wasn't a bad idea after all .. yeh .. funny that - who would have guessed.

Allways amazed me how short sighted some of the gaming, and tech press is some times, i think blu-ray in ps3 was pretty much the ONLY sensible option for sony, i mean wtf would you have done ??

and ps3 STILL outsold 360 worldwide through '07 .... all up it's worked out almost perfectly, wii maybing impacting things more than sony expected ..but then again i'd suggest ps2 is really more of a direct competing product than real nextgen systems.

And now sony stand to reep a ps2/dvd like effect with now surging ps3 sales due i would bet in large part to warner-gate, and now with walmart going blu-ray exclusive... and ps3 still being the 1st words from salepeople's lips thanks to it's updatability and the 2.0 profile ...


seriously ..in the grand company wide scheme of things ...could it poss be going any better for sony right now?

You must be looking at shipped numbers.

 

[Z3F]

They get no props for me just because the PS3 was launched a year after the 360 yet didn't offer better graphics. And that was all because blu-ray left them no budget for a better GPU or more ram. If I wanted to watch HD movies, I would buy a HD player. I want my PS3 to play games at 1080P, not fucking movies.

 

[ZealousD]

Putting Blu-Ray into the PS3 was good for Blu-Ray, but not for the PS3.

 

[Tiduz]

people really expected there to be a HUGE difference between 360 and PS3 graphics wise? Come on, even Xbox next and PS4 will look as close as ps3 and 360 now. Its just the way those things go, always.

Spoiler

I hope im wrong and FFXIII really does look like that ingame.

 

[Cruzader]

Once Blue-ray discs are selling at a 1:1 with DVD's, than we can talk. Until then .. BR is just another bullet point on the box.

A very optimistic projection would have the PS3 selling between 60-70 million consoles this generation. A tremendous falloff from the previous two generations.

so wait a minute...i thought it was when Blu beat HD-DVD.

feel similar to the supply was too low remark b4 NPD #s hit:lol

 

[Green Shinobi]

Good for PS3. I have been holding off on DVD purchases of movies that I intend to get on Blu-ray once my finances are better, so there's a plus.

On the downside, I only have 3 PS3 games vs. about 10 for the 360. Sony needs to start pumping out the heavy hitters.

 

[Firewire]

To many posters chagrin, I don't think Sony put BR in the PS3 on a whim, they had a well thought out strategy involving the PS3 and Blu Ray. I think it's actually going to pay off big time for them in the end. I never generally thought DVD=PS2, When I hear Blu Ray, it ties in mentally with the PS3 because it's been so heavilly marketed that way.

I read somewhere that Sony has spent more than 10 years developing blu-ray. They actually tested the waters with it in Japan about 5 or so years ago, but decided to work on it some more.
They must be real happy now.

 

[Okin]

"Good job , big company! I give you my props!"

Why would you feel the need to give a large multi-national company 'props' for making money?

 

[VALIS]

BluRay (and HD-DVD) is this generation's Laser Disc until it proves differently and the PS3 is still a staggering 6+ million behind the 360 in America. I think your victory party is happening a little early.

 

[Z3F]

people really expected there to be a HUGE difference between 360 and PS3 graphics wise? Come on, even Xbox next and PS4 will look as close as ps3 and 360 now. Its just the way those things go, always.

Yes. Xbox 1's extra year of development made a big difference in terms of image quality. The Geforce 8 was already available by the time the PS3 was launched. Sony just didn't have the budget for a Geforce 8 GPU because all the money already went into Blu-ray. Having the same amount of ram as a 360 made no sense either for a system that was launched a year later.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

To many posters chagrin, I don't think Sony put BR in the PS3 on a whim, they had a well thought out strategy involving the PS3 and Blu Ray. I think it's actually going to pay off big time for them in the end. I never generally thought DVD=PS2, When I hear Blu Ray, it ties in mentally with the PS3 because it's been so heavilly marketed that way.

^this post.... makes too much sense for GAF.

 

[Z3F]

^this post.... makes too much sense for GAF.

Too bad it makes no sense for business or games.

 

[Tiduz]

Yes. Xbox 1's extra year of development made a big difference in terms of image quality. The Geforce 8 was already available by the time the PS3 was launched. Sony just didn't have the budget for a Geforce 8 GPU because all the money already went into Blu-ray. Having the same amount of ram as a 360 made no sense either for a system that was launched a year later.

The difference wasnt THAT big IMO. sure it was there but it wasnt AMAZING. I dont think ps4 and x720 or whatever will look like 2 seperate generations, maybe im wrong tho.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Too bad it makes no sense for business or games.

Do you even have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about?

 

[gdt]

While Im all for Blu-ray and HD movies, some would say that Sony wont much enjoy the success of Blu-ray, given that DigiDist. is coming, and fast. Much more so for movies than games.

 

[ThirdEye]

 

[Firewire]

Putting Blu-Ray into the PS3 was good for Blu-Ray, but not for the PS3.

Ok whatever! 10 million of us have the next gen format, and guess what they use it for games to!

 

[VideoMan]

How does going from dominating 80% of an industry to third place deserve props? The fact remains that if the PS3 launched with a DVD drive at $399 it would be standing toe to toe with the Wii right now.

 

[ThirdEye]

While Im all for Blu-ray and HD movies, some would say that Sony wont much enjoy the success of Blu-ray, given that DigiDist. is coming, and fast. Much more so for movies than games.

So which one do you think will get the benefit of digital distribution more, HDD-standard PS3 or non-HDD-standard 360?

 

[Z3F]

The difference wasnt THAT big IMO. sure it was there but it wasnt AMAZING. I dont think ps4 and x720 or whatever will look like 2 seperate generations, maybe im wrong tho.

I just wanted the kind of leap that you'll see from a Geforce 7 to Geforce 8, which was definitely possible given the PS3's extra year of development.

Do you even have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about?

Do you? Sony went from 1st to 3rd and graphics aren't better than the 360 because the money went to blu-ray instead of a better GPU or more ram.

 

[erlim]

BluRay (and HD-DVD) is this generation's Laser Disc until it proves differently and the PS3 is still a staggering 6+ million behind the 360 in America. I think your victory party is happening a little early.

Yeah I mean blu-ray easilly beats HD-DVD now but sony still made a really dumb decision if blu-ray can't replace DVD. I mean PS2 really benefited from the popularity of DVD. At the end of the day you still have xbox360 which is on par with the ps3 in power for less cost, with arguably a much stronger software library. Blu-ray is not paying off at the moment. If blu-ray doesn't become THE home video option for consumers, than xbox 360 is going to continue to pound sony into the dirt in America. So no, no props.

EDIT: and hypothetically, if blu-ray does win, microsoft will just make a blu-ray add on and still pound sony senseless.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Do you? Sony went from 1st to 3rd and graphics aren't better than the 360 because the money went to blu-ray instead of a better GPU or more ram.

You said it makes no sense business wise. By putting BR in the PS3 they locked up the HD market and that's going to bring them in a ton of money. So how exactly is that bad for business?

 

[gdt]

So which one do you think will get the benefit of digital distribution more, HDD-standard PS3 or non-HDD-standard 360?

I dont think either will benifit from DD, that wont happen this gen. Next gen, when HDD are standard (hopefully/probably) then whoever better sets their business model (in regards to movie downloads) will benefit.

 

[J-Rzez]

Nobody will give Blu-Ray any props here until it's taken advantage of more in games, though those people who disagree will never recognize that because: Compression lolz, Cut Scenes lolz, and Audio choices lolz.

Example: Hideo Kojima said his game needs the space as uncompressed audio for one example takes up more space, it wouldn't be the same without it.

"Kojima is ignorant" was one of the solid, great responses.

 

[Z3F]

You said it makes no sense business wise. By putting BR in the PS3 they locked up the HD market and that's going to bring them in a ton of money. So how exactly is that bad for business?

Going from 1st to 3rd is good strategy?

OK.

 

[Wollan]

WorldAccordingToUSA.jpg

 

[Z3F]

WorldAccordingToCommonSense.jpg

 

[Bildi]

So you want to give props to Sony for using their videogame console to try and force their bluray format onto a market that doesn't really want it yet so they can make a heap of money through the sale of bluray movies?

To each their own I suppose.

 

[Wollan]

WorldAccordingToCommonSense.jpg

Use it.

 

[jman2050]

Nobody will give Blu-Ray any props here until it's taken advantage of more in games, though those people who disagree will never recognize that because: Compression lolz, Cut Scenes lolz, and Audio choices lolz.

Example: Hideo Kojima said his game needs the space as uncompressed audio for one example takes up more space, it wouldn't be the same without it.

"Kojima is ignorant" was one of the solid, great responses.

Wait, what? Does FLAC not exist in Japan or something?

 

[SolidSnakex]

Going from 1st to 3rd is good strategy?

OK.

Howabout we wait and see how things end? As of now they've got the HD market which is one thing they wanted, so they can stop focusing so hard on securing that (like running the BR ads late last year).

 

[Z3F]

Use it.

Awesome swticheroo. You learned that in grade school?

 

[Bulla564]

Putting Blu-Ray into the PS3 was good for Blu-Ray, but not for the PS3.

January NPD says hi

 

[ZealousD]

Ok whatever! 10 million of us have the next gen format, and guess what they use it for games to!

I'm speaking from a sales standpoint.

January NPD says hi

You have evidence that the numbers from the January NPD are directly related to Blu-Ray's inclusion? Or are you just guessing?

Because there's a hell of a lot of evidence out there for people not buying the PS3 due to price (which is directly related to Blu-Ray's inclusion).

 

[Gattsu25]

Why should they?

No one worth listening to expected them to exclude BluRay from the PS3

that's like giving an frog a high five because it jumped

 

[jman2050]

January NPD says hi

November and December of 2006, January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, and December of 2007 editions of NPD say what's up.

 

[erlim]

Howabout we wait and see how things end? As of now they've got the HD market which is one thing they wanted, so they can stop focusing so hard on securing that (like running the BR ads late last year).

It's not going to be that simple for sony to dig themselves out of last place. Blu-ray has won a small battle, but in the grand scheme of things that may not have anything to do with PS3's success as a game console. Before sony can even be given "props" for outselling their competition in a small small area of the market, they have to think about the fact that the system has a huge social stigma in the US, that they've lost huge exclusives like bioshock and GTA4, and unrelatedly that their system is engineered even the most competent programmers struggle to equal the results of an average xbox360 game. I think people bring up a great point that if they had just invested their R&D finances into getting a better GPU and more ram, we'd have a better and more economic system.