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So how was Dragon Ball (no, not the one with Z) received in US?

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7Th

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Dragon Ball has better art than Z, specially in Toriyama's original manga.

 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Its just like starting up a soap opera. You don't need to know the characters since pretty much everything that happened in Dragonball was inconsequential to what happened in Dragon Ball Z
 

Jado

Banned
What? Goku's raid over the red ribbon army HQ was fucking epic.

By the way, the OST from dragon ball was on another level.

In the recent Vegeta thread, I pointed to this as a prime example of why fans in Japan likely preferred Goku and did not want to see whiny, crying Gohan become the main character. Similarly, Goku got wrecked by King Piccolo, got inside a hovercar with Yajirobe and immediately went to Korin to find a way to become stronger and overcome his adversary. In the same situation, Gohan would probably spend five episodes sorting out his emotions and building his courage to fight King Piccolo -- then another five doubting himself after any kind of setback or failure. Piccolo smacking him away during the Nappa fight pretty much summed up the viewer's sentiments over that whiny brat.
 
In the recent Vegeta thread, I pointed to this as a prime example of why fans in Japan likely preferred Goku and did not want to see whiny, crying Gohan become the main character. Similarly, Goku got wrecked by King Piccolo, got inside a hovercar with Yajirobe and immediately went to Korin to find a way to become stronger and overcome his adversary. In the same situation, Gohan would probably spend five episodes sorting out his emotions and building his courage to fight King Piccolo -- then another five doubting himself after any kind of setback or failure. Piccolo smacking him away during the Nappa fight pretty much summed up the viewer's sentiments over that whiny brat.

Don't forget his bullshit power ups.
 

Rayis

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Dragon Ball was so much better than Z, I remember I enjoyed watching DB much more than Z, when DB had ended and they started airing Z I was instantly put off by the seriousness of it, LONG LIVE DB!
 

CSX

Member
I was a special case. I watched the DB series backwards (GT, Z, DB) because a family friend gave us chinese dub seasons of GT and I started watching those out of order at age 2. Then a few years later, WB was airing DBZ so i started watching that up to the Freiza saga since the channel never went beyond that. Then my family got DirectTV and it was toonami+CB ever since.

anyways, i have crazy DB friends that dont acknowledge the original series. One of them right now is in the process of rewatching the entire series. I asked him if he was going to start with DB and his answer was "HELL NO"
 
From what i can tell Dragon Ball did ok in the US ratings wise but it was never as huge as DBZ was. Everyone I knew in middle/high school preferred DBZ because of the action, I was the weird kid who liked DB more. Goku wasn't given Jesus powers from day 1 so he actually had to train to keep up with the adults, also the dub was better and the pacing wasn't as slow as Z.

GT sucked! Kai is great, it's on par with DB imo. The trimming of the series helped it immensely.

I also liked Yu Yu Hakusho over Z.
 

Moaradin

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I did watch DBZ as a kid before Dragon Ball, but nowadays I always watch Dragon Ball before DBZ. I prefer it actually. The Funimation dub of DB was really good, but not so good in DBZ. At least Kai had a pretty good dub, but it's so hard watching Kai with the new music when I'm so used to the original =(
 

jaxword

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Am I right in remembering that the scene where Goku takes off Bulma's panties implies that Goku used to use his "grandfather's" dick as a pillow?

Pretty much, yeah. It was Toriyama's perverted sense of humor combined with "Gosh, y'all, I'm just an ignorant country boy and gramps and I slept in the same tiny bed."
 

Servbot24

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I like DB a lot more than DBZ. Young Goku is one of my all time favorite characters. I didn't follow the franchise at all until a couple years ago, but I started with DB so that probably allowed me to appreciate it more.
 

Lebron

Member
DB wasn't quite yet a Goku family wank fest, the side characters actually did something and had interesting stories.
 

Onemic

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Started with Dragonball and transitioned to Z. The original dragonball didn't get high enough ratings so the series was dropped after the 1st season. I don't know anything about the series after Goku turns into an ape.

That being said Dragonball >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dragonball Z >>> Dragonball GT

Z is a fucking terrible show. GT would actually be a better show than Z if they made the saga's a little mor einteresting other than the evil dragonball one.
 

Busaiku

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Whoever says that Yamcha wasn't a loser in Dragon Ball has not watched Dragon Ball.
Yamcha is only a loser because of Dragon Ball.
 

tino

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What I don't understand is that Saint Saiya was HUGE in every other country but not in the US.

Saint Saiya was HUGE in mainland China.
 

sphagnum

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What I don't understand is that Saint Saiya was HUGE in every other country but not in the US.

Saint Saiya was HUGE in mainland China.

By the time Saint Seiya was released in America, anime from the 2000s had started to become popular, making it look very dated. It also had a totally ridiculous intro (I Ran, by Duran Duran...sung by Bowling for Soup) and aired on a block on Cartoon Network that nobody watched (SVES, the precursor to the original Saturday night Toonami).
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Except he never fought any mooks. Like, that Saibaman was the first time, and we all know how well that went.

Hmm I guess. But at least it felt like he could hang out with the main cast unlike in Z.

The opening, love it!

I watched Dragon Ball in order (so DB then DBZ) and I'd say Dragon Ball has a better story than Dragon Ball Z. Scenes are less drawn out, and it feels more like an adventure.

Haven't watched GT or Kai though.

GT is terrible and did some... questionable... stuff.
 

Khezu

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I remember watching it every morning on like Sunday, I think I was 4 or 6 at the time.
They only had one arc or season, I think it ended at when they first summoned the dragon, either that or when Roshi fired a kamehemeha at a flaming castle.

I didn't see DBZ until I was like 12, and it was really weird for me, I had vague nostalgia for it already, but the characters I remember were all flying around and shooting lasers at each other and it was all so different.

I remember telling other kids about Dragon Ball, and how Goku was a kid in it, and no one fucking believed me that it existed.
 

BobLoblaw

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I actually watched DB after DBZ and enjoyed it a bit more. It had a great sense of humor about it and wasn't nearly as serious business as DBZ. It also had Tao Pai Pai, who I loved.
 
I think the original Dragon Ball is superior to Z. Son Goku and the Mercenary Tao storyline with the tower is my favorite story arc.
 

Ultratech

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As for DB, I felt that despite it's kinda slow start, the Tournament/Red Ribbon Army/King Piccolo stuff was genuinely exciting. I would say that the fights, while not as over the top as DBZ, were probably more exciting to watch. And yes, Yamcha was a jobber even back then, but some of his fights were entertaining. In case point, Yamcha vs Tien. The dub was probably that first moment where Funimation was willing to go beyond the ridiculously cheesiness of DBZ-style dubbing (and was more willing to be more accurate to the original).

Same. I loved DB.

The first arc is probably a bit too silly, but once the Tournament Arc gets going, it's all pretty good from there with the Red Ribbon Army, 2nd Tournament, and King Piccolo.

Watched the hell out of it on Toonami when they were showing that.

Also helped that fights weren't horribly drawn out like in Z.
 

Formless

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The fights are a lot more enjoyable in DB when people couldnt just punch 1000x a minute and spam energy attacks (at first). Actual choreography instead of explosions everywhere
 

Kaizer

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I can't speak for others, but when they brought Dragonball to Toonami I thought it was awesome. I enjoyed the more "adventuresque" feel to it, probably why I enjoy One Piece over other shonen shows.
 

Soodanim

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Scrolling through the thread thinking about all of the things in DB just makes me like it even more. Z just "is", there's Super Saiyan and so on, but that's it. DB was when Goku had proper weaknesses and had to overcome them. Like when his tail was a problem, and the emotional scene with
Grandpa Gohan
that followed.

One scene in Z I love is where Mercenary Tao meets Gohan, because it's a funny reference to that whole storyline in DB. It's a shame that it means nothing to a lot of people.

For people that went into Z without knowledge of DB, the fact that Goku and Piccolo can't beat Raditz must not really mean much.
 

FyreWulff

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'mercan that saw DBZ first then DB second:


Dragonball enhanced and added new 'oh that was a cool reference'/ 'oh that explains that more' bits to DBZ for me. It drags on forever until it's later parts, though. DBZ finds it's feet faster.
 
In the UK we saw DBZ first.

I later imported the DB dvd's, was amazed how much better it was then DBZ. I guess it's because it's from when toriyama still cared about the series.
 

Malajax

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A mentioned in the thread multiple times, Z was first then DB. Personally, when I started watching Z, I started when they were on Namek and thought "Who are these people and why should I care?" I was hoping for the episodes to rerun and gain some clarification. When they did and started at Raditz, I was even more frustrated since I still had no idea who these people were and how Goku amassed a huge number of intensely loyal friends.

When DB had started airing, I was definitely obsessed and found out about all the characters myself through magazines (Pojo, anyone?) and early Internet sources (Planet Namek had almost everything you could think of), but I watched the whole series to see it for myself. I would say its definitely better than the Z portion, having rewatched the whole thing recently (400 eps of DB and Z on my shelf). The fights, stakes, and adventure were on a much grander scale than Z. Really enjoyed finally seeing it come together.

All of my sane friends definitely think DB is better.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Scrolling through the thread thinking about all of the things in DB just makes me like it even more. Z just "is", there's Super Saiyan and so on, but that's it. DB was when Goku had proper weaknesses and had to overcome them. Like when his tail was a problem, and the emotional scene with
Grandpa Gohan
that followed.

One scene in Z I love is where Mercenary Tao meets Gohan, because it's a funny reference to that whole storyline in DB. It's a shame that it means nothing to a lot of people.

For people that went into Z without knowledge of DB, the fact that Goku and Piccolo can't beat Raditz must not really mean much.

Makes you wonder if Raditz would get proper treatment had he been introduced in the "pre-Z" era.
 

Wiseblade

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There's a little bit of historial whitewashing going on here. It's not like Dragonball's fights were super tactical until Raditz came along and ruined it forever. All this fights were the same, except the winner was just "stronger" instead of having "a higher power level". Goku didn't beat Tao by using some special technique, he just got stronger. He didn't beat Tambourine or Demon King Piccolo with strategy either. He was just stronger.
 
I remember getting into DBZ when it was on... oh what was it WB or Fox? When it went to Cartoon Network, it was when I was finally really hooked into the series. I would always hope they would air the episodes after the 52, that was the time when they only had the old voices and heavy editting. I still remember the day when I saw the commercial saying new episodes of DBZ were coming. Oh man the memories.


I remember watching when Dragon Ball was for awhile on CN, but I don't think they got too many episodes. Sadly I don't have the time or money to check it out, although I always wanted too.
 

SkyOdin

Member
I watched Dragonball's original US TV run, well before DBZ's eventual premiere. It was broadcast at like 5:30 in the morning, when I watched it, just after Sailor Moon (or was it before?).

When DBZ was first aired, I was really surprised, since I recognized this series, and could tell that these were the grown-up versions of the Dragonball characters I had seen earlier, but there were a whole lot of other characters running around I couldn't recognize. I at first thought that I had somehow missed a few seasons of Dragonball. I only later learned that they had simply not ben aired.

However, I ended up later watching the International Channel's airing of the uncut Dragonball Z in raw japanese. While the US dub was still somewhere on Namek, I jumped into the untranslated version of the Android Saga, right when Cell version 2 was hunting Android 18. I couldn't understand a word of what anyone was saying, but dialog was never the series' strong suit anyways. I was scratching my head on who this new Saiyan was, though. I had to loo up who Trunks was online. I watched through the fight against Kid Buu that way. I even later watched the end chink of Dragonball GT that way well before GT premiered on Toonami.
 

Alrus

Member
In Belgium we got both aired at about the same time. As a kid I liked DBZ much better because everything felt much bigger (the stake, the fights and the world). DragonBall felt a bit boring in comparison. Watched it again later and I think it's a much better series overall :)
 

TreIII

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To this day, I still prefer the idea of Piccolo being a demon, rather than part of an alien species.

Also, Taopaipai killing
Blue
with his TONGUE is still more badass to me than any of the grandiose ways anybody in the Z-era conducted genocide with explosions.
 
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