hemo memo
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Nope. They need the ip for Pachinko.
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So, is Metal Gear Solid over?
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Nope. They need the ip for Pachinko.
PresetError
Neophyte
Konami IP but Kojima brainchild. They hate eachother. Metal Gear is pretty much dead.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Your favorite is the one with the spinoff character? Not one with the main hero or main villain?
No, but really that's your pick?
Happosai
Hold onto your panties
I agree...mostly
Despite there being bad blood between Kojima and Konami, I'm constantly reminded how successful these games made Kojima. The story is complete but in Japan to cease production on a franchise ultimately risks losing business benefits of it in the future. I feel Kojima is proving himself to Konami with Kojima Productions, that he can at minimum still play creative director. There's a huge push from fans, the dawning of a new generation of game consoles, and his own Metal Gear/Metal Gear Solid storyline. That huge storyline still has enough gaps in it to create another entry. Kojima's still a young businessman and I doubt he's intends to stop. I think Konami will renegotiate their terms and they'll break some kind of agreement. Of course, the bad blood will always be there. It's the same for successful animators and movie directors. They all have a parent production company which likes to pull their strings.
We shall see...
It better be for ever over unless Kojima or someone at least as good which is unlikely, can make a new one.
Bolivar687
Banned
Just like Castlevania and Silent Hill, they're going to let this sit on the shelf. The only reason they even flirted with those games in recent years was because of Kojima having been on the board and in charge of broader game development. The people in charge now really don't like AAA console games and it's kinda hard to blame them as a Japanese developer.
I just wish they would license out the IP to someone who does care.
I just wish they would license out the IP to someone who does care.
StylishMGTOW
Member
I just hope to god that, now that he's out of Konami's hands, that he can make something akin to Snatcher or Policenauts. Just imagine....... =D
Ozrimandias
Member
IT'S NOT OVER YET!!! (Ocelot Voice here)
- I don't think it's over, but honestly even if Kojima comes back to the franchise, i don't care anymore.
The last good Metal Gear for me was 4 and was the conclusion of my childhood. Looking back at the plot and voice acting, and other stuff i just, cant stand it, it's so dumb and over sophisticated and metaphorical (but in a dumb way). Metal Gear Solid 5 was the coffin of a good franchise (at that time)
- I don't think it's over, but honestly even if Kojima comes back to the franchise, i don't care anymore.
The last good Metal Gear for me was 4 and was the conclusion of my childhood. Looking back at the plot and voice acting, and other stuff i just, cant stand it, it's so dumb and over sophisticated and metaphorical (but in a dumb way). Metal Gear Solid 5 was the coffin of a good franchise (at that time)
Soleil rouge
Member
If Sony manages to buy the MGS franchise from Konami and hands it back to Kojima, I will buy 5 PS5's.
In Minecraft.
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Revolutionary
Member
Nah, I'm sure Konami is working on another soulless game that cashes in on the name.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Kojima should make a Battle Royale.
I'm not kidding.
I'm not kidding.
Philfrag
Banned
Hell no. AAA gaming lacks so much imagination that the mainstream will just be remakes and re-treads of old franchises. No matter how tainted the relationship between Konami and Kojima I’m near certain someone is going to dish out enough money at some point to ignite the franchise again.
I love metal gear solid. But MGS ended for me with snake at the end of 4. That’s not to say I don’t think the franchise has more to offer. I’m just cynical of the AAA space being able to do anything worth while with it in the current state the industry has found itself in. The MGS series always thrived when it took risks. Mainstream video games just doesnt take risks anymore, and I’m not interested in any half measures when it comes to the legacy of the world Kojima built. I’d rather see it never return if the only option was to get ‘Metal Gear Solid - the force awakens’.
I love metal gear solid. But MGS ended for me with snake at the end of 4. That’s not to say I don’t think the franchise has more to offer. I’m just cynical of the AAA space being able to do anything worth while with it in the current state the industry has found itself in. The MGS series always thrived when it took risks. Mainstream video games just doesnt take risks anymore, and I’m not interested in any half measures when it comes to the legacy of the world Kojima built. I’d rather see it never return if the only option was to get ‘Metal Gear Solid - the force awakens’.
Collin
Banned
it pains me to say but probably. my dream would be that they’ll sell it off to sony and they’ll make cool metal gear 1 and 2 msx remakes or mgs VI with kojima returning to his property. that would the most maximum hype i would ever feel for a sequel of something but i don’t even think even kojima is that interested in returning to mgs anymore.
it’ll never happen but man, a lil boy can dream. metal gear solid 1-3 hold such a special place on my heart - they just have this distinct atmosphere and tone that i don’t see any other game or property ever fully recapturing (4, peace walker and 5 are fun also but i don’t feel quite the same about them)
what i could see happening is konami shitting out some stupid spinoff with the metal gear name that we all will collectively hate
it’ll never happen but man, a lil boy can dream. metal gear solid 1-3 hold such a special place on my heart - they just have this distinct atmosphere and tone that i don’t see any other game or property ever fully recapturing (4, peace walker and 5 are fun also but i don’t feel quite the same about them)
what i could see happening is konami shitting out some stupid spinoff with the metal gear name that we all will collectively hate
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DrCheese
Member
Yeah this was it for me also - 4 wrapped up basically all the PS era games in a neat bow - I just didn't see the point in any of the games after.
I did try 5 last year & the bit at the start with the hospital was fantastic, but I couldn't get into it after that. The story (At least for me) was done.
Guardian's Light
Member
They still have chances to make MGS games, tho
Mg1-2 remakes, and the original MGS Rising concept - post - Mgs2 Raiden who goes in the rescue of Sunny, get captured and experimented on by Patriots etc. - still have tons of potential
Also, i'd even be fine with smaller scale projects, they could even do them with isometric visual like mgs 1-2-3, and good ol' stealth in box areas, i'd be crazy happy to play the hell out of them and it won't cost them a shitton of money
And no, just because the creator of a certain series is no longer on it, doesn't mean that series has to die
Am I wrong or, for example, Miyamoto didn't work on Odissey? And still is praised as a Mario masterpiece, just the first example that comes to mind
Or Metroid Prime with Retro trilogy, or Re7...
The hardest part is to find the right people, but trust me, sometimes new people can even do better
Mg1-2 remakes, and the original MGS Rising concept - post - Mgs2 Raiden who goes in the rescue of Sunny, get captured and experimented on by Patriots etc. - still have tons of potential
Also, i'd even be fine with smaller scale projects, they could even do them with isometric visual like mgs 1-2-3, and good ol' stealth in box areas, i'd be crazy happy to play the hell out of them and it won't cost them a shitton of money
And no, just because the creator of a certain series is no longer on it, doesn't mean that series has to die
Am I wrong or, for example, Miyamoto didn't work on Odissey? And still is praised as a Mario masterpiece, just the first example that comes to mind
Or Metroid Prime with Retro trilogy, or Re7...
The hardest part is to find the right people, but trust me, sometimes new people can even do better
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
I'm so saving these pics LOL!Your favorite is the one with the spinoff character? Not one with the main hero or main villain?
No, but really that's your pick?
Kumomeme
Member
sadly probably there highly chances that Metal Gear is over
even if it somehow resurface by konami..but it probably another an empty shell like mgs survive..a title only carried it name but nothing much else
unless something really interesting happened where sony acquire the ip or there some sort of collaboration and stuff
for me...MGS not necessary mush have kojima onboard...but current konami is incapable to do the series justice...the bar quality for the franchise also high...MGS has heavy emphasis of cinematic storyline element and 3rd person gameplay which is based on track record, from what i see probably only sony first party studio only capable making proper MGS title even without kojima
even if it somehow resurface by konami..but it probably another an empty shell like mgs survive..a title only carried it name but nothing much else
unless something really interesting happened where sony acquire the ip or there some sort of collaboration and stuff
for me...MGS not necessary mush have kojima onboard...but current konami is incapable to do the series justice...the bar quality for the franchise also high...MGS has heavy emphasis of cinematic storyline element and 3rd person gameplay which is based on track record, from what i see probably only sony first party studio only capable making proper MGS title even without kojima
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The Fartist
Gold Member
If they ever make a new one, they need to tone down the over the top, anime-esque bullshit from the 11 it's at to about a 6 or 7 where MGS started and they'll have my attention, otherwise Metal Gear can fuck off and I can go back to fantasizing about an Escape from NY and LA game.
(Yes, I know how rediculous Escape from LA was)
(Yes, I know how rediculous Escape from LA was)
-Arcadia-
Banned
I agree...mostly
Despite there being bad blood between Kojima and Konami, I'm constantly reminded how successful these games made Kojima. The story is complete but in Japan to cease production on a franchise ultimately risks losing business benefits of it in the future. I feel Kojima is proving himself to Konami with Kojima Productions, that he can at minimum still play creative director. There's a huge push from fans, the dawning of a new generation of game consoles, and his own Metal Gear/Metal Gear Solid storyline. That huge storyline still has enough gaps in it to create another entry. Kojima's still a young businessman and I doubt he's intends to stop. I think Konami will renegotiate their terms and they'll break some kind of agreement. Of course, the bad blood will always be there. It's the same for successful animators and movie directors. They all have a parent production company which likes to pull their strings.
We shall see...
He's like, 50.
I do agree. Stranger things have happened for the fans, and for the money. Konami almost seems to want nothing to do with big budget games, though.
I could see, in the best of outcomes, something like those fun Silent Hill rumors, where several parties come together to make something happen, and Konami provides the IP for a hearty cut.
Madflavor
Member
Metal Gear Solid is dead in pretty much every sense of the word. Though the gameplay was really fucking good, it was clear with MGS5 that Kojima had no more stories to tell in this universe. The passion was gone. The story ended in 2008 with MGS4, and it was (at least imo) a good ending that wrapped up most of the storyline and characters. But the series has lost it's creator and Konami have no interest in trying to revive it anyway. I don't possibly see how it could come back, nor do I see any point.
Tschumi
Member
I kinda think there's space for Eli's story, which as we all know wasn't exactly explored in mgs5, but yeah i don't think it'll happen~ the bad guys kind of had all these experiences and confederacies in the background that could probably have a few games in them if we think about it.. how did Revolver Ocelot go from mgs3 to mgs2?
I always thought it was the one flaw with that game that their trip to New York ended up being
a rooftop
I thought they could have fit a whole new act in there
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AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
If Konami wants money, and they can deliver remake of the first 3 games with the graphics of the pachinko CGI which is very doable today, thats as much as I would ask for. I dont think we need a new MGS, its already been milked considering all they can do is make titles that keep changing time periods to fill out plot holes that were never meant to be answered. A franchise usually goes sequel, sequel, sequel, prequel and call it a day. But MGS just went all out sequel, sequel, prequel, pre-prequel, sequel, pre-sequel, prequelle lol
Lionel Richie
Member
2 > 3 > V > 1 > 4 > Peace Walker
2 truly is the highlight of the franchise, such a pristine masterpiece.
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Rayven_king
Member
Konami should just do a Metal Gear Liquid game
namekuseijin
Banned
yes, It was over by the end of 4
namekuseijin
Banned
1 > 4 > 2 > 3 to me
Beer Baelly
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Lionel Richie
Member
They're all so good that a ranking seems almost impossible. Kojigod DELIVERED big time with this baby.
namekuseijin
Banned
war never changes
NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
I think they should remake the first metal gear from the msx
theclaw135
Banned
Checks and balances are what made Kojima great. With access to powerful consoles to freely create whatever he felt like, the house of cards began crumbling.
Dr Kaneda
Member
I think they should as well. But realistically something like MSG1 and MSG3 is going to be far easier to "remake". Doing MSX basically means creating a new game, only thing it's going to retain is the story.
Rayven_king
Member
I took a whole day off work to play 4 I really loved that game
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Lionel Richie
Member
It's a phenomenal experience. It's a bit overdone, but the high points are absolutely masterful.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
What blasphemy!!!!
Blond
Banned
That's definitely not true. That guy could've left and started his studio anytime with Sony and he knows it.
Kamina
Golden Boy
No, that’s exactly true, Kojima himself said he wanted to end MGS with V, but Konami didnt.
Then they had their fallout and Konami made that Survive failure.
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