Grand Theft Scratchy
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EviLore already said they're not going back to the old account registration process.
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So it begins, the great console battle of our time (moderation policy annex)
- Thread starter Bill O'Rights
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Slings and Arrows
Banned
Hey Gaffers (old and new),
It can't have escaped anyone's attention, that there have been some recent updates on console power, technology and approaches. Some threads have derailed into infighting pretty quickly but a larger number are consistently at the edge of being completely unreadable at the moment - which leads to more threads (for similar topics) being created as people can't follow/abandon existing ones. Most of the reports we are handling are falling into two main categories at the moment.
New members signing up who have obviously read something from the sidelines, got raged up and let their inner console monster run wild once approved Members, who persistently derail threads around loose tangential points which means pages are lost (e.g. It doesn't matter about XsX because MS has no games, or Sony don't need faster streaming because their characters walk so slow)
What we're trying to do here is make GAF as inviting and pleasant as possible, while still retaining the 'edge' and biting observations you folks are know for, We've had a lot of people reach out, and we've read a lot of threads where people are getting frustrated at this behaviour. When we're reading through threads ourselves we'll have to stop and examine histories and other comments, or wait until reports come in and assess the situation there. All of this takes time as we want to be as fair as we can to all members of the forum. Sometimes a difficult decision will take time and need a mod consensus before we take actions. That's just our general policy with giving people the benefit of the doubt as much as possible.
Moving forward
So what does this mean? It means going forward that threads that have a lot of effort put into them, or are to discuss specific technologies or have a more theoretical question/topic will have a little more protection. For these select topics we're going to take a different approach. We do use reply bans sparingly and bans even more sparingly, however there does seem to be bit too much 'noise' in some of the threads and derailing. In these select topics, moderation policy will be a bit more focused on removing members who are not on topic and instead derailing or trying to cause a fight.
How do I know which threads will be held to a higher standard?
We may create a tag but for the time being we want to be as minimally intrusive as possible. So for now, we will simply stick an asterisk in the thread title so it is clearly denoted on the main topic page. This is just a simple flag that lets you know the topic will be getting moderated more 'actively'. And if you go there with the intent of causing drama you will find yourself quickly removed from participation (in that thread alone).
I still want to shitpost!
God bless you folks. We love the memes and some of the stuff you come out with. Some of it is genuinely funny. New console cycles will always have a level of one liners, shitposting and meme drops. The rest of the board remains the same. While things are wild, we want to give those other threads with real insight a chance to get some momentum and be a little more free of the side drama. We want to be definite and transparent on the policy side so feel a clear guideline will benefit everyone rather than risk perceived inconsistency.
As always feel free to drop any comments or feedback in here. We might not tag every reply but we do read the posts and your input and it does influence certain decisions we make for th good of the board and everyone using it. Even if you just want to drop some suggestions or a general point please do so below.
All gravy.
It would be easier to have one mega shit-posting thread where members can get stuff off of their chest, rather than shitting up good threads?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
One was made, but it never caught on.
Console War Thunderdome |OT| We Don't Need Another Hero
WELCOME CONSOLE WARRIORS TO THE THUNDERDOME! Use this thread to war against the plastic box you dislike the most. Don't like Sony? This is your place. Think Xbox has no games? Grab your favorite meme weapon. Two warriors enter, one warrior leave!
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
One was made, but it never caught on.
Console War Thunderdome |OT| We Don't Need Another Hero
WELCOME CONSOLE WARRIORS TO THE THUNDERDOME! Use this thread to war against the plastic box you dislike the most. Don't like Sony? This is your place. Think Xbox has no games? Grab your favorite meme weapon. Two warriors enter, one warrior leave!www.neogaf.com
Apparently console warz aren't any fun when people are encouraged to do it.
Lionel Richie
Member
Something's gotta give with the recent threads based on random Tweets and I don't think necessarily not doing them is the solution. People get too aggravated with this for whatever reason, I think we collectively can do better in embracing the chaos and not taking things so seriously. Who knows, we might even make some cherished memories out of the fuckery (dude who said NBA 2K was bigger than Mario, I still love you bro <3 ) even if our initial reaction is to get mad.
thelastword
Banned
I think there are a couple of issues that needs addressing.....
One of the chief issues I see are persons who leave a valid OT for a game on their preferred platform and go waging war in technical threads either against the OP or other posters who are just highlighting stats and discussing the technicals. No body is attacking your console because the stats reveals that it may not have the best framerate or that there is some disparity in the visuals. Stick to your OT and have fun with your friends....instead of coming to other threads to whine....
Some people bring down entire threads by thread whining, OP whining, persecution complex posts, drivebys and whining based on who posts a thread and then they pretend they are the ones who cant have proper discussion.....Some posters need to grow up and act like adults instead stretching a crusade for posters and muddying every thread with their pessimism and personal attacks.
Some people should stop posting as fact, what they know not to be true, like 9.2TF.....Twitter spamming from anybody who says anything that supports their position, especially when that person has never developed a game, is familiar with programming games or is privy to both systems and can contrast......
I think these are the main issues, people who just come to thread whine, ask for bans for posters in threads should be dealt with, there are avenues for that, let the mods do their jobs and use the forum rules, not ban this guy for me please because I don't like him... Some people are now treating forums like politics, it's way too personal, so I can only imagine what they wage in the background and how they conspire in the background.......If there is so much hate and vitriol in words to posters in a forum chat, it must be worst for said persons in their personal lives, that I get, if you want to silence people so much and are so invested.....I'm not sure how said persons are conforming to such a wide world with many persons beliefs and ideologies, must be hard.....Also people are always the rowdiest online and are all 600 lb benchers who scare kids with their physique, so it's a bad boy play I see heavily here, when we are only here to discuss the intricacies of games....
I think these are the things that causes the most cross talk, people just can't argue civilly and keep the conversation insult free...People get upset and follow you everywhere just because you disagreed with them since 2012.....Just too many immature shells, who cant live and let live....
One of the chief issues I see are persons who leave a valid OT for a game on their preferred platform and go waging war in technical threads either against the OP or other posters who are just highlighting stats and discussing the technicals. No body is attacking your console because the stats reveals that it may not have the best framerate or that there is some disparity in the visuals. Stick to your OT and have fun with your friends....instead of coming to other threads to whine....
Some people bring down entire threads by thread whining, OP whining, persecution complex posts, drivebys and whining based on who posts a thread and then they pretend they are the ones who cant have proper discussion.....Some posters need to grow up and act like adults instead stretching a crusade for posters and muddying every thread with their pessimism and personal attacks.
Some people should stop posting as fact, what they know not to be true, like 9.2TF.....Twitter spamming from anybody who says anything that supports their position, especially when that person has never developed a game, is familiar with programming games or is privy to both systems and can contrast......
I think these are the main issues, people who just come to thread whine, ask for bans for posters in threads should be dealt with, there are avenues for that, let the mods do their jobs and use the forum rules, not ban this guy for me please because I don't like him... Some people are now treating forums like politics, it's way too personal, so I can only imagine what they wage in the background and how they conspire in the background.......If there is so much hate and vitriol in words to posters in a forum chat, it must be worst for said persons in their personal lives, that I get, if you want to silence people so much and are so invested.....I'm not sure how said persons are conforming to such a wide world with many persons beliefs and ideologies, must be hard.....Also people are always the rowdiest online and are all 600 lb benchers who scare kids with their physique, so it's a bad boy play I see heavily here, when we are only here to discuss the intricacies of games....
I think these are the things that causes the most cross talk, people just can't argue civilly and keep the conversation insult free...People get upset and follow you everywhere just because you disagreed with them since 2012.....Just too many immature shells, who cant live and let live....
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Good point. Maybe you should listen to it yourself.
Don't play dumb, you know what you're doing in the past in some MS threads derailing it into sales wars, list wars and somehow bringing up Gamepass.
Only reason why you haven't lately is because you've been on damage control for 2 weeks since Cerny's show.
Now you know what it feels like to have technical threads or PS5 threads getting bombed with jokes and 9.2tf.
And to be fair, this has only been going on for 2 weeks, unlike the kind of stuff gamers like you bring up against MS for years.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
It's worth a try again, though I doubt it'll get traction.
www.neogaf.com
Console War Thunderdome |OT| We Don't Need Another Hero
WELCOME CONSOLE WARRIORS TO THE THUNDERDOME! Use this thread to war against the plastic box you dislike the most. Don't like Sony? This is your place. Think Xbox has no games? Grab your favorite meme weapon. Two warriors enter, one warrior leave!
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
It’s considered defiling a corpse.
TheWanderingOgre
Member
The Dreamcast 2 shits on all other gaming systems.
I will buy a Ps5 and Xbox Series X, hammer them down, record it, put it on Youtube and mail the pieces to Sony and MS as proof of Sega's superiority.
Sega, Sega–Oota-ku, Tokyo
Keikyu Haneda Airport line, Ohtorii station
Game creation is our sanctuary in life,
Yet victory is still far away
We stumble and get depressed, but we move on
Sega, Sega–oh, move on to tomorrow
I will buy a Ps5 and Xbox Series X, hammer them down, record it, put it on Youtube and mail the pieces to Sony and MS as proof of Sega's superiority.
Sega, Sega–Oota-ku, Tokyo
Keikyu Haneda Airport line, Ohtorii station
Game creation is our sanctuary in life,
Yet victory is still far away
We stumble and get depressed, but we move on
Sega, Sega–oh, move on to tomorrow
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Absolutely not. You should shit on Stadia any time and any where you encounter it.
The one and only good thing about Stadia is how it brings all of us warriors together, united in our deep and abiding loathing of Stadia
tflopsmatter
Banned
I was banned immediately after posting the above but I still believe 100% in what I wrote. If the moderators don't like it, too freaking bad. I don't give a hoot about them.
cireza
Banned
The guy who came up with this is a genius.
I find the forum and moderation really good overall, always a pleasure posting here. Having some fun is important as well, people should not take things too seriously.
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The Bloody-Nine
Member
Well, hopefully you cop a perm and then you won't have to worry about it. Evil mods, FORCING you to log in and post here.
Deeper Underground
Member
Coming back from a ban and then trying to wage war against the mods is probably not the brightest idea in the book.
Zannegan
Member
It would be nice if the crazy would vent there and leave the rest of the forum free. Unfortunately, many of craziest have no idea they are shitposting. They think what they're writing is 100% reasonable and factual, and anyone who doesn't see the obvious is just a blind fanboy. You get a few who know they're being a little over the top, but even they rationalize it as if they're bringing some kind of a balance to the conversation.
Thankfully, it's just a small fraction of the Neogaf population. I just wish they didn't post so much. It's always sad when you see someone enter a busy thread, and then every third reply is their avatar.
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Case in point.
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Scopa
The Tribe Has Spoken
I think a console needs to have a confirmed sighting of a fanbase for it to qualify for console wars.
Shin
Banned
You might as well quit this site to be honest, mods don't even show interest in the task they signed up for and when they do it's hit and run without proper research.
You ask someone not to joke in a Sony relief fund thread and you get called the biggest fanboy, you ask someone not to sling shit in an Xbox thread and you're a console warrior.
It's rather interesting to be called names by someone that hides behind a anonymous name and seldom around to even remotely have a clue what goes on this website, reading a log now and then ain't it.
Point being, shit rolls from the top to bottom, you guys set those examples and people walk the lines you laid out now you're asking them to take a step back when the moderating team is no different.
Hell with me posting PlayStation deals in the Cheap Arse Gaffer thread or Xbox ones or Nintendo news, for some reason it bothers me when a teeth-less dog tries to bark - whoever the fuck it might be.
Bill O'Rights
EviLore
and whatever the 3rd one is called, contracting yourself as can seen below and interestingly enough it's never the person you report that gets the warning, but you for doing so.You want change then start with yourself and the rest just might follow your example.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
account Suicide?
mortal
Gold Member
I'd much rather not have half the gaming side swamped by console fanboy shitposting. It can be fun to some degree, but left unchecked it tends to derail the discourse.
If it weren't for the ignore thread function, I'd be frustrated with the constant influx of PS5 vs XBSX dick measuring threads.
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Lanrutcon
Member
I was joking. Keep fit -> need excercise -> gymnastics...
It wasn't that bad of a joke!
mortal
Gold Member
lol didn't mean to be so serious, just annoyed by all of these threads.
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tflopsmatter
(banned overnight it seems), you were not banned for that post and I'm not sure why you would misrepresent the case in this way. So in order to clarify
You were reply banned from the nextGen thread for console warring. You pleaded to be let back in (like a grounded child) and you'd behave like an adult. You didn't. Subsequent to this, you earned an additional two warnings for console warring. In addition to this, you also had three reply bans for the same behaviour and were advised to tone it back. Eventually you were given a short ban because despite all intentions you still waded into threads with antagonistic low effort troll posts like these:
www.neogaf.com
www.neogaf.com
Despite what you might like to post and portray, you were not banned because we thought you were a revolutionary on the cusp of leading a rebellion over the hills of Neogaf. It would be fair to say any army you assembled would only advance to get out of earshot of your diatribe. It's because you were not learning or adapting. And the tired reverse psychology of "I'm only speaking my mind and I'm being punished unfairly" may work on ninth graders but here at Neogaf we are grown ups sir.
Shin
as you are still an active poster we really don't want to go through the above with you. To answer your query there will be inconsistencies because we don't make knee jerk reactions. So a mod may give you a reply ban and still see 4/5 subsequent posts that are still in the same vain. This doesn't mean we're 'ignoring them' but we're not waiting there ready to pounce with a 'gotcha!' just to take you out. We understand there's a little bit of a journey to go on, but there reaches a point where a nudge has to become a shove. There will be a grace period where adjustment will need to take place and we may let those 4/5 posts 'slide'. You forget that we see and handle all reports. So some statistics for you personally. Just on the last two pages of reports, there are sixteen logged against posts you've made. In this period you've had 3 warnings, 2 reply bans and no site bans with the majority rejected. I think the team have been more than fair with you.
Especially when in two of the most recent cases, you derailed an entire thread with a personal feud and in another, your blind rage made you miss two obvious joke and you went straight into personal insult mode. In order to be fair, mods (as explained before) often read through the last 3/4 pages of the thread to check for baiting, disingenuous reporting etc. There is also a limit in the reply ban notification of 100 characters so the messages may appear curt and biting to get the point across. These messages will usually be reflective of the quality and tediousness of the user in question. Especially when extending the benefit of the doubt is repaid in such poor behaviour.
As you've linked the reply an action, we will clarify as well
1. [Can't link] Was deleted because in a post about XsX you decided to make your second post about denigrating another console (i.e. console warring)
2. [Link] This wasn't you being fair or middle of the road, it was because the MS thread didn't get as much traction with insults to other users. Again, some weird pro Microsoft protection thing (derailing into console wars). If your intentions were indeed as virtuous as you proclam, where is your post congratulating Sony for their actions? Is it lost amongst the attempts to.........defend an alterntive brand?
All in all Shin, your problem is one of conduct and anger not of content. But it becomes a problem when those things take over your posts. You also have a problem with perception. Some threads will have light hearted banter in. That was explained in the notification you got I believe. Maybe you should reflect on people asking you to chill out. We don't treat you like you're stupid so we'd suggest a bit more honesty when evaluating your own contribution. We are being more stern and less forgiving with these type of posts. If you're a poster who regularly makes these types of posts, you may feel the sting more than others.
Anything further just move to the meta please.
You were reply banned from the nextGen thread for console warring. You pleaded to be let back in (like a grounded child) and you'd behave like an adult. You didn't. Subsequent to this, you earned an additional two warnings for console warring. In addition to this, you also had three reply bans for the same behaviour and were advised to tone it back. Eventually you were given a short ban because despite all intentions you still waded into threads with antagonistic low effort troll posts like these:
(*)Is Sony's super "you can't even comprehend how fast" SSD potentially the new "Powah of the Cloud"?
That's not my 11? Thought just 8-9. It's not mentioned, because Sony will only use raw, so the SSD will go directly to GPU/CPU/Ram with only needed assets within less than a second, so frees the GPU/CPU/Ram from unnecessary work and boost for better efficiency. Meaning they can end up pretty...
(*) Sony PS5 Vs. Xbox Series X Technical Analysis: Why The PS5’s 10.3 TFLOPs Figure Is Misleading
We now have preliminary specifications of both the Microsoft Xbox Series X (XSX) and Sony Playstation 5 and it's time to do a quick analysis of their graphics capabilities. Before we begin, a primer: this article is based only on the information released by both companies and their execution and...
Despite what you might like to post and portray, you were not banned because we thought you were a revolutionary on the cusp of leading a rebellion over the hills of Neogaf. It would be fair to say any army you assembled would only advance to get out of earshot of your diatribe. It's because you were not learning or adapting. And the tired reverse psychology of "I'm only speaking my mind and I'm being punished unfairly" may work on ninth graders but here at Neogaf we are grown ups sir.
Shin
as you are still an active poster we really don't want to go through the above with you. To answer your query there will be inconsistencies because we don't make knee jerk reactions. So a mod may give you a reply ban and still see 4/5 subsequent posts that are still in the same vain. This doesn't mean we're 'ignoring them' but we're not waiting there ready to pounce with a 'gotcha!' just to take you out. We understand there's a little bit of a journey to go on, but there reaches a point where a nudge has to become a shove. There will be a grace period where adjustment will need to take place and we may let those 4/5 posts 'slide'. You forget that we see and handle all reports. So some statistics for you personally. Just on the last two pages of reports, there are sixteen logged against posts you've made. In this period you've had 3 warnings, 2 reply bans and no site bans with the majority rejected. I think the team have been more than fair with you.Especially when in two of the most recent cases, you derailed an entire thread with a personal feud and in another, your blind rage made you miss two obvious joke and you went straight into personal insult mode. In order to be fair, mods (as explained before) often read through the last 3/4 pages of the thread to check for baiting, disingenuous reporting etc. There is also a limit in the reply ban notification of 100 characters so the messages may appear curt and biting to get the point across. These messages will usually be reflective of the quality and tediousness of the user in question. Especially when extending the benefit of the doubt is repaid in such poor behaviour.
As you've linked the reply an action, we will clarify as well
1. [Can't link] Was deleted because in a post about XsX you decided to make your second post about denigrating another console (i.e. console warring)
2. [Link] This wasn't you being fair or middle of the road, it was because the MS thread didn't get as much traction with insults to other users. Again, some weird pro Microsoft protection thing (derailing into console wars). If your intentions were indeed as virtuous as you proclam, where is your post congratulating Sony for their actions? Is it lost amongst the attempts to.........defend an alterntive brand?
All in all Shin, your problem is one of conduct and anger not of content. But it becomes a problem when those things take over your posts. You also have a problem with perception. Some threads will have light hearted banter in. That was explained in the notification you got I believe. Maybe you should reflect on people asking you to chill out. We don't treat you like you're stupid so we'd suggest a bit more honesty when evaluating your own contribution. We are being more stern and less forgiving with these type of posts. If you're a poster who regularly makes these types of posts, you may feel the sting more than others.
Anything further just move to the meta please.
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Flintty
Member
Living up to that tagT tflopsmatter (banned overnight it seems), you were not banned for that post and I'm not sure why you would misrepresent the case in this way. So in order to clarify
You were reply banned from the nextGen thread for console warring. You pleaded to be let back in (like a grounded child) and you'd behave like an adult. You didn't. Subsequent to this, you earned an additional two warnings for console warring. In addition to this, you also had three reply bans for the same behaviour and were advised to tone it back. Eventually you were given a short ban because despite all intentions you still waded into threads with antagonistic low effort troll posts like these:
(*)Is Sony's super "you can't even comprehend how fast" SSD potentially the new "Powah of the Cloud"?
That's not my 11? Thought just 8-9. It's not mentioned, because Sony will only use raw, so the SSD will go directly to GPU/CPU/Ram with only needed assets within less than a second, so frees the GPU/CPU/Ram from unnecessary work and boost for better efficiency. Meaning they can end up pretty...(*) Sony PS5 Vs. Xbox Series X Technical Analysis: Why The PS5’s 10.3 TFLOPs Figure Is Misleading
We now have preliminary specifications of both the Microsoft Xbox Series X (XSX) and Sony Playstation 5 and it's time to do a quick analysis of their graphics capabilities. Before we begin, a primer: this article is based only on the information released by both companies and their execution and...
Despite what you might like to post and portray, you were not banned because we thought you were a revolutionary on the cusp of leading a rebellion over the hills of Neogaf. It would be fair to say any army you assembled would only advance to get out of earshot of your diatribe. It's because you were not learning or adapting. And the tired reverse psychology of "I'm only speaking my mind and I'm being punished unfairly" may work on ninth graders but here at Neogaf we are grown ups sir.
Especially when in two of the most recent cases, you derailed an entire thread with a personal feud and in another, your blind rage made you miss two obvious joke and you went straight into personal insult mode. In order to be fair, mods (as explained before) often read through the last 3/4 pages of the thread to check for baiting, disingenuous reporting etc. There is also a limit in the reply ban notification of 100 characters so the messages may appear curt and biting to get the point across. These messages will usually be reflective of the quality and tediousness of the user in question. Especially when extending the benefit of the doubt is repaid in such poor behaviour.
As you've linked the reply an action, we will clarify as well
1. [Can't link] Was deleted because in a post about XsX you decided to make your second post about denigrating another console (i.e. console warring)
2. [Link] This wasn't you being fair or middle of the road, it was because the MS thread didn't get as much traction with insults to other users. Again, some weird pro Microsoft protection thing (derailing into console wars). If your intentions were indeed as virtuous as you proclam, where is your post congratulating Sony for their actions? Is it lost amongst the attempts to.........defend an alterntive brand?
All in all Shin, your problem is one of conduct and anger not of content. But it becomes a problem when those things take over your posts. You also have a problem with perception. Some threads will have light hearted banter in. That was explained in the notification you got I believe. Maybe you should reflect on people asking you to chill out. We don't treat you like you're stupid so we'd suggest a bit more honesty when evaluating your own contribution. We are being more stern and less forgiving with these type of posts. If you're a poster who regularly makes these types of posts, you may feel the sting more than others.
Anything further just move to the meta please.
