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So next gen 3rd party games are gonna target a 4TF 1440p baseline and we're ok with this because $299?

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As if cross gen focus wasn't bad enough (look what it did to Halo), now we have the "next gen" baseline being 1440p and 4TF. Devs will cater to the lowest common denominator.

Make no mistake about it, games will be held back all gen thanks to Series S.

This just seems like the worst idea in gaming history, NO CAP.

edit: and not just 3rd party. All of MS 1st studio will have this console as the one they build around because it will sell better and games have to run on it. Trash.
 
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As if cross gen focus wasn't bad enough (look what it did to Halo), now we have the "next gen" baseline being 1440p and 4TF. Devs will cater to the lowest common denominator.

Make no mistake about it, games will be held back all gen thanks to Series S.

This just seems like the worst idea in gaming history, NO CAP.

edit: and not just 3rd party. All of MS 1st studio will have this console as the one they build around because it will sell better and games have to run on it. Trash.

Your thread title is what I've been saying all this time! Why is everyone ok with this? It sucks!! Thank god Sony makes so many good first party titles, and I really hope they make good exclusive deals with third parties this time around.
 

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Thinking of buying an S as a living room machine now to complement my main PC rig.

It's running games in 1440p, which should allow it to hit decent fps with decent settings still. Itll be a neat NHL/GamePass machine for me. Maybe get some local Halo multiplayer and Tekken sessions in it too

You guys are just nerds and cant stop thinking with that enthusiast mindframe
 

pasterpl

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We should all be concerned. This will hold games back the entire fucking gen.
Worried about games been held back I see developer huffing and puffing at this idea and I've seen zero phrase for Xbox in this case at all. Oh sdd that's it

same architecture as xbsex, same ssd, same IO, same (or similar cpu)....haven’t you seen how games scale up and down on pc based on hardware you have got? Look at Nvidia 30series, these range from 20 to 35 TFlops, and vram from 8gb to 24gb
 

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"Targeting" 1440p - I anticipate that most 3rd party games like Cyberpunk 2077 and Assassin's Creed are going to be running closer to 1080p on this system. Will be interesting to see the DF hot takes.

And that's okay, because at that resolution it's actually just as powerful as a 12TF console pushing 4K.
 

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I guess it's still better than 50% of PC compute capability on STEAM, it will do alright, the most painful bottlenecks from last gen are gone. However I think it will target more like 1080p native, other resolution is probably going to be some ML upscaling, which...if it's good as DLSS from nVidia, it's more than enough. It will be interesting.
 

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Another very salty, concern thread.
 

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I feel like some of the same people who said that every game can scale between generations without any hit in quality before the Craig reveal have now switched to every game can just scale resolution with a massively less powerful GPU and (seemingly unconfirmed so far) less RAM.

We'll see if that's true, but why make such an assumption? A lower baseline is a lower baseline.
 

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OP doesn't understand how tech works. It's the same recycled-ass argument from months ago.

That's like saying CyberPunk 2077 will look like shit because CD Project Red is using GeForce 1060 GT as a baseline.

The game will run on medium settings on the 1060 GT and Ultra Settings on the RTX 3090.

That's how it will work on Xbox.
 
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same ssd, same cpu, same architecture, ect.

only difference is gpu which means extremely easy scaleability. this wont hold anything back just like the ps5 wasnt gonna hold anything back.

they will develop for the XSX, lower resolution a tad and disable some things for the ps5 and the lower resolution and disable more things on the series s.
 

FunkMiller

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First party Ps5 games will be fine.

And guess what a lot of developers are going to do when they realise that only Ps5 will let them push the boundaries?

Look forward to more PlayStation exclusives in the next five years than you’ve ever seen before.
 

Vawn

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I knew this would happen with too much positive Xbox news.

The Series S is positive news? I never saw it that way, but I guess if you're looking for a cheaper comsoke, it could be. For those of us already getting a PS5 or Series X, this isn't great.

they will develop for the XSX, lower resolution a tad and disable some things

You have that 100% backwards.
 
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I feel like some of the same people who said that every game can scale between generations without any hit in quality before the Craig reveal have now switched to every game can just scale resolution with a massively less powerful GPU and (seemingly unconfirmed so far) less RAM.

We'll see if that's true, but why make such an assumption? A lower baseline is a lower baseline.
Halo was clearly developed fully for the X1 and then being ported up. thats very different than this. especially considering the xsx and x1 share zero similarities in hardware
 
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The Series S is positive news? I never saw it that way, but I guess if you're looking for a cheaper comsoke, it could be. For those of us already getting a PS5 or Series X, this isn't great.



You have that 100% backwards.
no i dont. not when all of the components and architecture is 100% identical EXCEPT the CU count on the gpu. they even share all the same rdna 2 features.
 

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As if cross gen focus wasn't bad enough (look what it did to Halo), now we have the "next gen" baseline being 1440p and 4TF. Devs will cater to the lowest common denominator.

Make no mistake about it, games will be held back all gen thanks to Series S.

This just seems like the worst idea in gaming history, NO CAP.

edit: and not just 3rd party. All of MS 1st studio will have this console as the one they build around because it will sell better and games have to run on it. Trash.
PS5 is where the party is happenin
 

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As if cross gen focus wasn't bad enough (look what it did to Halo), now we have the "next gen" baseline being 1440p and 4TF. Devs will cater to the lowest common denominator.

Make no mistake about it, games will be held back all gen thanks to Series S.

This just seems like the worst idea in gaming history, NO CAP.

edit: and not just 3rd party. All of MS 1st studio will have this console as the one they build around because it will sell better and games have to run on it. Trash.


You've just now discovered that budget GPUs exist haven't you.