LittleBigGamer
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Imagine 3090 buyers.
The baseline is not about resolution or frames though, it is about the main assets.
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So next gen 3rd party games are gonna target a 4TF 1440p baseline and we're ok with this because $299?
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The baseline is not about resolution or frames though, it is about the main assets.
Knightime_X
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It'll be like PC with minimum spec requirements.
But since the Series S's CPU is just as power as series X that won't be an issue.
Graphics can easily be toned down.
so no worries!
But since the Series S's CPU is just as power as series X that won't be an issue.
Graphics can easily be toned down.
so no worries!
reinking
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I don't believe you. Look at the difference in graphic settings on the PC market. You can't just drop resolution and run everything on ultra settings for a mid-tiered card compared to a higher tiered card. It doesn't work that way.
Maybe not are pc games held back because of your spec not really you simply turn down some stuff. i guess this will be no different and seeing as its all digital it will be automatically done for you at download stage.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Is it even 4 TF? I thought I read it was under 4?
A -4 TF's machine is a 1080p one not 1440p.
A -4 TF's machine is a 1080p one not 1440p.
JawaSaysUtinni
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I think it is still best to reserve judgement until review day.
Eurogamer just stated the price in the UK as £249, which is shockingly good. No doubt about it. Right now, I have two main thoughts:
1. I need to see how the games are running on this machine. Are developers devoting the time to make sure it is optimised for the series s as well as the series X?
2. I can’t help but feel a little bit skeptical. It is very rare, I feel, to find a shockingly good priced product, which delivers a similar experience. Particularly in the tech world that is.
Nevertheless, if Microsoft can deliver a good experience with this new, cheaper console, I think this could be a real winner. The run-up to the next gen consoles is getting good finally. I can’t wait to see the gameplay reveals on these consoles.
Eurogamer just stated the price in the UK as £249, which is shockingly good. No doubt about it. Right now, I have two main thoughts:
1. I need to see how the games are running on this machine. Are developers devoting the time to make sure it is optimised for the series s as well as the series X?
2. I can’t help but feel a little bit skeptical. It is very rare, I feel, to find a shockingly good priced product, which delivers a similar experience. Particularly in the tech world that is.
Nevertheless, if Microsoft can deliver a good experience with this new, cheaper console, I think this could be a real winner. The run-up to the next gen consoles is getting good finally. I can’t wait to see the gameplay reveals on these consoles.
Mister Wolf
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Its not a problem. You get what you pay for.
Werewolfgrandma
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This thread is dumb.
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DunDunDunpachi
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Maybe this is why Sony bought up a lot of third-party exclusives, to ensure that 3rd parties would not in fact target 1080p.
I believe the "exclusive (marketing) partnership" deals from the past two gens are the same sort of idea.
In either case, it's a bait and switch designed for marketing slogans. "The power of next gen for $299" or something like that. After the first year we will see if Microsoft's gamble was correct and people will pay $50-100 less for a much weaker system. Worked for Wii and Switch
I believe the "exclusive (marketing) partnership" deals from the past two gens are the same sort of idea.
In either case, it's a bait and switch designed for marketing slogans. "The power of next gen for $299" or something like that. After the first year we will see if Microsoft's gamble was correct and people will pay $50-100 less for a much weaker system. Worked for Wii and Switch
S0ULZB0URNE
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It's roughly 4 x weaker than XSX...that is almost a generational difference.
nikolino840
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Devs never talk about teraflop for the games they said with the ps5
reinking
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Like many, I was super excited this morning. It is easy to get on the hype train seeing a $300 price point but I have a feeling if I were to jump on the Series S it is a temporary solution and when the real next gen Xbox games start hitting the market I am going to wish I had chosen the Series X. It is a smart move on MS part though. Get early adopters in cheap and then upgrade them in a year or two.
EDMIX
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Its actually irrelevant. Mid gen reference, release at launch etc doesn't matter. It exist during the same generation and will still be used as the base. I don't see developers making 2 fucking games each time, unlikely. They will make it on Series S and port to everyone else. I don't see this releasing at the same time changing that as what would be the relevance to that point in the first place?
"I never bought those - no one I know did" ??? Has zero relevance to the topic. Irrelevant...
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Mister Wolf
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12/4 = 3
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Represent.
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I would be too bitter and upset to ever buy a 3090, too much wasted potential lmao
Thats not trolling though, its a fact. I have no qualms admitting that.
Theres a reason theres only been 1 Crysis.
Imagine how fucking advanced games would be if the 3090 was the only target.
BRUH what? I would welcome this.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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If it less than 4 TF like I read somewhere.
Point still stands if it was 3 x.
Jtibh
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Exactly. No psone or 2 or 3. Ps4 only.
TonyK
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Mmmmmm it's not a joke, this could be the real chain to break for third party games.
cireza
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Which ones ? I did not feel like I was going to miss a lot from third party devs until now on Xbox ?
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trikster40
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Nah, games will just have to be lower resolution than big brother X, maybe some ray-tracing turned off.
I do think that Sony did the right thing by making its digital version identical to the other SKU.
I do think that Sony did the right thing by making its digital version identical to the other SKU.
namekuseijin
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Btw, that target 4TF should run just fine on my PS4 Pro.
Long live nextgen
Long live nextgen
Sleepwalker
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Relax OP, you will still get your interactive cinematic experiences from sony.
Naked Lunch
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The OP was murdered 6 posts in.
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RoadHazard
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It should manage 1080p as well as the XSX handles 4K (better actually), or 1440p with some other settings turned down.
Only the GPU is weaker, everything else is basically the same (less RAM too, but it doesn't need as much at lower resolutions).
So no, it won't really hold anything back. What will is also targeting current gen consoles with their weak CPUs and slow HDDs.
(Saying this as someone who is getting a PS5 only.)
Only the GPU is weaker, everything else is basically the same (less RAM too, but it doesn't need as much at lower resolutions).
So no, it won't really hold anything back. What will is also targeting current gen consoles with their weak CPUs and slow HDDs.
(Saying this as someone who is getting a PS5 only.)
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RoadHazard
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Actually, yes. I doubt most 3rd party devs will be brave enough to make their games unplayable on HDDs. So very few non-1st party games will be built to take full advantage of SSDs, at least for the first half of the generation or so. Neither will MS's games, so we're really only gonna see that in PS5 exclusives for quite some time. That's far more disappointing than 4TF.
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Zoro7
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I mean you could play PS1 and PS2 games easily on PC now. Even PS3 emulates on PC but requires a lot more. So.....
DunDunDunpachi
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I don't know because I don't think all of the third-party purchases were confirmed. I am referring to this thread:
Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft
Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft Kinda Funny’s Imran Khan said: There isn’t a major third party out there Sony failed to approach asking what kind of deals they could work out. Some had content, some had games, some had...
Mister Wolf
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Damn shame they cant even deliver on a 4K enhanced version of MGS4. One of their greatest exclusives and arguably the best MGS game.
mckmas8808
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Most 3rd party games.....yes. But not Sony's 1st parties and some big time 3rd party games.
Eric187
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Yea I agree with this sentiment. For the first time ever I won’t be buying an Xbox console due to this. What’s the point in a new generation of hardware if developers have to cater to something like this? I’ll stick with Sony this time around and expect some mind blowing first party games that push the boundaries of this medium.
Jtibh
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I would like to see a mgs3 remake instead of mgs4 enhanced version.
I honestly didnt like it
FlyyGOD
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DDR6 and RDNA 2 with 3.8 cpu zen 2 processing. I think Series S will do just fine.
diffusionx
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Xbox One X was designed to do at 4K what the One S could do at 1080p. And for the most part, it succeeded in that, with a little bit extra even. There is no doubt that MS designed these two consoles in the same way. They are designed to do the same thing, with resolution being the differentiation. We will see how it plays out in practice, but there is precedence.
I honestly don't give a shit about this baseline business, I think that PC GPUs are going to be lapping these consoles very quickly, all of them, and the gap is going to be enormous.
www.eurogamer.net
I honestly don't give a shit about this baseline business, I think that PC GPUs are going to be lapping these consoles very quickly, all of them, and the gap is going to be enormous.
Inside the next Xbox: Project Scorpio tech revealed
Digital Foundry has the specs, has seen it running, and has talked to the people who built it.
www.eurogamer.net
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MS is gonna release 2 Xbox at launch. Like this gen is gonna have the most powerful and the weakest one. What will happen if Sony releases a PS5 Pro in the future it's safe to say is gonna happen.
Will MS release a Xbox Series X2 or X² or XX to keep the title of the most powerful console? Sell 3 versions of Xbox this gen or release the newer one and stop selling the Series X?
Will MS release a Xbox Series X2 or X² or XX to keep the title of the most powerful console? Sell 3 versions of Xbox this gen or release the newer one and stop selling the Series X?
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RoboFu
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Starting to make sense now why Assassins Creed is looking so bad now...
dude i dont even have to zoom in to see compression artifacts in the image. lol
cireza
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Oh okay. That's just a rumor though, I don't give it any credit. Could be totally false to throw more shade at MS, you never know.I don't know because I don't think all of the third-party purchases were confirmed. I am referring to this thread:
Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft
Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft Kinda Funny’s Imran Khan said: There isn’t a major third party out there Sony failed to approach asking what kind of deals they could work out. Some had content, some had games, some had...www.neogaf.com
Resolution scaling will be all devs have to do. Just look at the 5500XT @ 1080p vs 5700XT @ 4k. Techpowerup have nice charts and they use the same settings apart from resolution.
I know it will because we already have benchmarks to prove it. Everything the same apart from GPU is the basis of all PC game benchmarking.
Go check out techpowerup performance summaries. Compare the 2080S to the 1650S and you see that a GPU around 3x faster gets similar 4k scores to the lower end GPU at 1080p.
S0ULZB0URNE
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For 1080p.
If they force 1440p it will gimp the XSX.
RaySoft
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You just embodied OP's whole point...
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