Because they felt they hadn't had enough negative PR in the last 6 months.
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So Target shipped someone an Xbox One already? [Update: console-banned until launch]
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Because they felt they hadn't had enough negative PR in the last 6 months.
Dear Microsoft,
Don't you think it would be great if you only took the videos/pictures (of the console in question) down and not screw over one of your customers? And in turn hold yourself from providing potential costumers such as me and others, not to purchase the console at all?
Don't you think it would be great if you only took the videos/pictures (of the console in question) down and not screw over one of your customers? And in turn hold yourself from providing potential costumers such as me and others, not to purchase the console at all?
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
I did wonder about that as I'm sure they've applied US copyright law (I do UK law where fair use defences are only just coming into force). However, there are parts of the packaging and the manuals where copyright will subsist.
Does anyone know whether fair use/review defences are vitiated by the fact that he stood to make money out of posting his Youtube videos? i.e. you can't use that defence because a large part of the purpose of posting the video is to make commercial revenue from you Youtube account.
I think they usually do the console.
onlyindreams
Banned
good job ignoring the posts where I say how much i loved my 360 and that there are games like quantum break and sunset overdrive and halo coming out i want for this thing. there's a reason some of us are so negative about this console. It's been proven every single god damn day lately by this horrible corporation. Some of you are just too blind in your allegiances to see it.
Revolutionary
Member
Microsoft has always been ban-happy when it comes to early releases so this isn't entirely surprising. Shitty situation for the guy with the early console though.
digoutyoursoul
Member
That's a real shame, I certainly would of looked at it as free positive PR but some folks live in a bubble
But the verge article said the other gamer was told "you can do what you want with it". Doesn't that wording include youtube videos?
Louis Cyphre
Banned
I think the system. It was one of my fears if they were to adopt those earlier policies since the system is so reliant on being connected.
Why on earth should this guy go through all the trouble? HE DID NOTHING WRONG.
If the console that was delivered to him did not work due to a hardware failure, he would also have to return it even though he did nothing wrong.
Glorified G
Member
For MS to ban the console of one of the few gamers willing to invest in a launch console because a retailer decided to ship it early beyond the consumers control is by far one of the most fucked things I've seen any company do.
The consumer didn't go to the store and buy it early, it was shipped. And was paid in full. Unreal.
The consumer didn't go to the store and buy it early, it was shipped. And was paid in full. Unreal.
its the halo 4 bannings all over again. really fucked up. can someone link me to the banning post/news?
thats the funny part. should he have just left it in the box for a few weeks? sent it back? lol. i would be so fucking furious
thats the funny part. should he have just left it in the box for a few weeks? sent it back? lol. i would be so fucking furious
Impeccable
Member
C'mon Syllogism, really?
What? This is the straw? You haven't done it already.
Please cancel and Show proof. Otherwise stop blowing smoke.
Portugeezer
Member
I don't think it's okay, but him playing shouldn't be a problem so it must be the Youtube videos. That is all I can think of.
just on a tangent for a second youtubes copyright infringement rules are bullshit
it puts the onus on the uploader not the content owner to prove the infringement
in a court of law its the opposite and thats the way it should be
no copyright infringement is occured when a fucking box is opened.
copyright
the exclusive and assignable legal right, given to the originator for a fixed number of years, to print, publish, perform, film, or record literary, artistic, or musical material.
so is Microsoft claiming copyright because they have their own Xbox one unboxing video? lol
also he wasn't banned for youtube seriously think about it. Its the weekend, you honestly think people went to youtube looked at guys gamertag, plugged it in and said ban?
nope, it was all automated.
They did however go to YT and do the copyright infringe (although microsoft has probably outsourced this to a specialist company, and thus you know there is no margin for reaosnable use in that case. They are probably told IF XBOX ONE AND FINAL PLEASE REMOVE.)
it puts the onus on the uploader not the content owner to prove the infringement
in a court of law its the opposite and thats the way it should be
no copyright infringement is occured when a fucking box is opened.
copyright
the exclusive and assignable legal right, given to the originator for a fixed number of years, to print, publish, perform, film, or record literary, artistic, or musical material.
so is Microsoft claiming copyright because they have their own Xbox one unboxing video? lol
also he wasn't banned for youtube seriously think about it. Its the weekend, you honestly think people went to youtube looked at guys gamertag, plugged it in and said ban?
nope, it was all automated.
They did however go to YT and do the copyright infringe (although microsoft has probably outsourced this to a specialist company, and thus you know there is no margin for reaosnable use in that case. They are probably told IF XBOX ONE AND FINAL PLEASE REMOVE.)
Sony too?
In both cases the goods are non-conforming and the seller is liable
Louis Cyphre
Banned
What allegiance is that exactly? I have not preordered anything and I actually use my PS3 a lot more than my 360. So to somehow deflect and suggest you have nothing but love for your 360 by mentioning RRoD in a topic about how fast the XBox One boots up is questionable at the very least of your true motives. My allegiances lie with how much entertainment I get out of these systems, not by going full scale war against them and polluting every thread with how much I hate them now.
Agreed, and the ban should only last until the release date. If anything MS should be talking to Target, not focusing on the person who received the system.
you won't get banned on PSN.
I have not seen in the past street dated broken games get bans on PSN for being played early. Nor have i had to tell Sony my psn id when i've had early software
Microsoft we have seen numerous times.
PirateKing
Junior Member
This was a bad post. You should feel bad now.
I'd rather you just tell me the result since you seem to know. I don't feel like going through all that just to figure out what result you're expecting when you could just tell me.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I just can't believe he got it this early. I was really shocked last night. I can see two or three days ahead of time but he got his more than two weeks out.
Except he never posted gameplay videos to YouTube.
It was an unboxing. "Something you know nothing about" eh?
And lol at the "Sony too" defense as if that's a meaningful one.
CambriaRising
Member
Yeah, you're right. It's Target's fault, not Microsoft being anti consumer as usual.
thesuperfunk
Member
Keep digging Microsoft, keep digging.
Just because Sony might also do this doesn't make it okay. This is about Microsoft banning paying customers because they use their product too soon. It has nothing to do with Sony.
There is no justification for taking away a paid service for doing something completely legal. He paid for the system, he paid for XBox Live, the system was used in a normal manner. This is completely arbitrary. There is nothing in the TOS that would indicate he would get banned for showing images of his product or using it. Street dates are set for retailers, not consumers. They're not laws, that's why there is no legal remedy for Microsoft when something occurs -- so, instead, they try to bully people.
Hey, and here's news for you - self-promotion is what our system is about. Democracy is self-promotion. Capitalism is self-promotion. It's a good thing - it's how we share information about ourselves, our likes, our desires, our pains. Or, are you suggesting that the only ones worthy of self-promotion are multi-billion dollar organizations that have thousands of outlets from which to proclaim their message? Because clearly this one dude with Twitter and YouTube accounts, by your definition, doesn't deserve the same respect as a corporation.
That's messed up on so many levels.
P.S. Microsoft doesn't need you to protect them - they pay out millions every year for public relations agents to do it.
Petrae
Member
If I preorder it from Megalomart and it arrives two weeks in advance of its release date, I will do just that. And if Sony bans me from PSN and/or bricks my console, I'll raise holy hell just like I am here.
I bought and paid for the product.
It arrived before the expected date. Unless the game ships with a "Do not play before" warning, I'm not going to sit and stare at it for two weeks. I'll play it, share info on it, and get my money's worth from it.
(Besides, Gran Turismo 6 will probably take two weeks to install and patch before I can play it, anyway.)
Portugeezer
Member
This is more fucked up.
With Halo 4 some people were playing pirated copies and shit, they had an excuse for the "accidental" banning...
Banning for Xbox One? Nothing is pirated, nothing bad on the users part, if I got my shit early I would want to play it too. This is bullshit, whatever the reason.
Revolutionary
Member
I streamed Uncharted 2 in its entirety a whole week before it's release on my main PSN name. I'm still using that name.
Same goes for Arkham Asylum, but that's not a Sony game.
Edit: link for proof http://www.twitch.tv/bkarevolutionary
Nothing new here, MS always have the banhammer ready, a couple friends were banned because they got games early and they could do nothing to unban the console, in fact, once a console is banned there's no way to unban, even if you have proof that you did nothing wrong, my friends had the receipts of the games with the date printed on it where it says the games were sold to them before launch and they got the middle finger from MS.
I remember getting Gears of War 3 like 3 days before launch and I just let it sit the in my desk waiting for launch.
I remember getting Gears of War 3 like 3 days before launch and I just let it sit the in my desk waiting for launch.
sony would never ban your psn id for posting gameplay early in my opinion
the most they would do is copyright infringe the YT videos
and i honestly dont think the Xbox One ban is based on youtube. its an automated process that has led to fucking dire consequences for Microsofts PR machine.
the most they would do is copyright infringe the YT videos
and i honestly dont think the Xbox One ban is based on youtube. its an automated process that has led to fucking dire consequences for Microsofts PR machine.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
And thats the future they were trying to sell to us and in some ways still are. Then they display they can do this at any given time if they decide so, with no real basis in terms.
They then wonder why they have this unshakeable reputation of being untrustworthy, looking befuddled and confused that people wouldnt trust them to wield such power responsibly. Its amazing really. Microsoft is more than a snake eating its own tail at this point, its also injecting venom into itself at every given opportunity.
Both of your statements can be simultaneously correct. I'm not interested in discussing whether MS is being "anti-consumer" or whether banning the console was a good idea. All I am saying is that the buyer is not being punished.
I wasn't planning on getting a One at launch, but I know it's certainly in my future. This thread, and the hype I felt while these enthusiastic lucky dude was showing off everything he could think of was incredible.
I went to bed thinking, hey maybe I'll get the One sooner than later, the guy was doing good work for MS. I kind of felt like they would do something like this, but had hoped they wouldn't since he wasn't slinging mud. This is such a bummer.
I went to bed thinking, hey maybe I'll get the One sooner than later, the guy was doing good work for MS. I kind of felt like they would do something like this, but had hoped they wouldn't since he wasn't slinging mud. This is such a bummer.
yep
i had gears3, forza 4, forza horizon early and each time had to give gamertag to stop this.
its a poor poor poor poor policy from Microsoft doing this, its absolutely crazy.
HeroesInAHalfShell
Neo Member
I imagine Microsoft themselves didn't actually ban the console. It's most likely a temporary ban auto-initiated by preventive software on their end to stop leaks. As crappy as Microsoft has been lately, I don't think there's a guy twirling his mustache in front of a big red button waiting to ban anyone who activates a console pre-launch.
That is not the case. Lack of intent of course changes things. This actions are deliberate. What's your point?
Wow. So I just woke up to learn that Microsoft continues to demonstrate complete contempt for the people most loyal to its brand. If I may, I'd like to gloat quote myself from back at the beginning of this thread
I shouldn't be shocked that some of you people are defending this, but I am. MS could have turned this into something positive, "hey, here's a lucky Xbox fan who mistakenly got his console early. How awesome for him!" But instead, they punish his enthusiasm with a console ban. What jerks.
I shouldn't be shocked that some of you people are defending this, but I am. MS could have turned this into something positive, "hey, here's a lucky Xbox fan who mistakenly got his console early. How awesome for him!" But instead, they punish his enthusiasm with a console ban. What jerks.
Derpcrawler
Member
I got the Last of Us almost a week before launch and played it while signed in to PSN - nothing happened. I had a friend who was playing GTA5 on PSN 2 weeks before launch - nothing again.
While i do think that him receiving the console early is in no way his fault, i do agree that once he went online with it and posted videos he basically forced Microsofts hand. Obviously, they would rather be responsible for their own reveals.
But loving all video game manufacturers, apparently unconditionally, does seem a little silly. It's that kind of attitude that means we now have monthly fees for both MS and Sony.
so everyone on the 22/11 who tweets should be banned? this is your logic by the way
he has signed no nda, nothing. he should be allowed to tweet all he fucking wants.
i reckon even had he greyed out his gamertag on the screenshots the console woul dstill be banned. its an automated hardware check that is failing, as he isn't whitelisted. clearly