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Social Opinion Cringe So they are after beethoven now

Redlancet

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Im not a "conspiranoia" guy and for me far left and far right can choke on a Dick, but fuck me if western media ist on the job of destroying west culture and merits with passion
 
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Oh my DAMN do they need some money!





Also, this article said jack shit. They claim the 5th is a symbol of exclusion... because? ... BECAUSE? Some dude in New York in 1840 said women should be gagged before entering a concert hall. Oh freaking no. Also, this one Black dude from the New York Philharmonic says playing Beethoven rather than modern composers alienates "new listeners".

It's just this meme:

 
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Maybe copy/paste the text? I’d like to r ead their insane reasoning but not going to generate any ad revenue for them.

The gist is that he’s white, so he’s racist, so therefore it’s racist?
 
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They failed trying to peddle the lie that Beethoven was really black, so now it's the spin that the 5th was a symbol of exclusion and elitism.
 
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If they go far back enough, maybe they will eventually learn that it all started with Adam and Eve, and they will learn that this cancelling people from the past is idiotic and that if they really want to cancel all bad people in the world they should cancel themselves too.
 

CeroFrio996

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It's not really an attack on Beethoven. It's a criticism of the classism in the classical music sphere, and they point to the 5th symphony as a starting point for these issues. It also talks a little about the deification of Beethoven and how it's stifling creativity in the genre. You can agree or disagree with that, but try not to completely misrepresent what the article is talking about completely.
 
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It's just another attempt to get rid of the significance of anything that represents western civilization.

Instead of making your own successful music, you criticize others'.

This feeds on western people not being educated about western history, and not understanding its value.
 
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These people are pathetic but this will wake more people up. I hope people see what destruction voting democrat will ensue.
 

CeroFrio996

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Instead of making your own successful music, you criticize others'.
That laughable thing about this statement is that people argue that the "popular music" that you think they should go make is also tearing down western culture.

These people are pathetic but this will wake more people up. I hope people see what destruction voting democrat will ensue.
It's amazing how volatile people will get over such mundane articles.
 

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For others — women, LGBTQ+ people, people of color — Beethoven’s symphony may be predominantly a reminder of classical music’s history of exclusion and elitism. One New York City classical music fan wrote in the 1840s, for example, that he wished that “all women shall be gagged by officers duly licensed for the purpose before they’re allowed to enter a concert room.”
Yes I'm sure that bigotry was totally associated with the classical music scene in the 1840s and nowhere else. Would such a remark have been uncommon at other kinds of shows and venues as well?

Today, some aspects of classical culture are still about policing who’s in and who’s out, and much of it started with Beethoven’s Fifth. When you walk into a standard concert hall, there’s an established set of conventions and etiquette (“don’t cough!”; “don’t cheer!”; “dress appropriately!”) that’s more about demonstrating belonging than appreciating the music.
Standards of dress and etiquette are common across every subculture. Why is it particularly an issue with classical music?

“If you pretend like there’s no other music out there, that Beethoven is the greatest music that ever will matter,” says McGill, then orchestras will alienate new listeners, since “we’re not promoting any of the composers alive today that are trying to become the Beethovens of their day.”
I can actually see this being a somewhat valid point but it's more that the demand for new classical music is mostly limited to film scores and such these days. It's not a genre that demands a lot of new music since the listening audience is already incredibly small but there are still volumes of works done by the "greats" over a several hundred year span. I don't believe that new composers are going to do much to draw in a larger crowd.
 

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Well sure, classical music symbolized classism way back when. But this is just not as true in the modern-day. First off, the dress code rules are much different these days, and I have attended concerts dressed casually. In terms of access, I've spent more money going to an Armin Van Buuren show than I have listening to the Nutcracker live, for example. My impression is that the average person does not listen to classical music and that it is a dying genre, so a lot has changed.
 

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Well sure, classical music symbolized classism way back when. But this is just not as true in the modern-day. First off, the dress code rules are much different these days, and I have attended concerts dressed casually. In terms of access, I've spent more money going to an Armin Van Buuren show than I have listening to the Nutcracker live, for example. My impression is that the average person does not listen to classical music and that it is a dying genre, so a lot has changed.
Classical music is some of the most recognized music ever around the world. In a 100 years people will still recognize Beethoven.
 
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CeroFrio996

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Well sure, classical music symbolized classism way back when. But this is just not as true in the modern-day. First off, the dress code rules are much different these days, and I have attended concerts dressed casually. In terms of access, I've spent more money going to an Armin Van Buuren show than I have listening to the Nutcracker live, for example. My impression is that the average person does not listen to classical music and that it is a dying genre, so a lot has changed.
I think these days the classism exists more in the playing or composing of the music than the listening, though I still think that there are more high class venues than casual ones. I wouldn't say it's dying, but more stagnating. As a classical lover there's really no such thing as new mainstream classical music. It's a small amount of people playing the best hits over and over. I suppose "new classical" techincally wouldn't be classical anymore, but my point is that we could do so much more with these beautiful instruments and sounds.

Classical music is some of the most recognized music ever around the world. In a 100 years people will still recognize Beethoven.
It's recognizable (though sometimes largely because it's been so heavily commercialized), but that's not the same thing as been currently relevant, which is generally what "dying out" refers to.

These people loathe European culture. “They dress nice when they go to the concert!”
I love classical music, and thinking that classical music has a lot of classism baggage has nothing to do with "loathing european culture"

I can actually see this being a somewhat valid point but it's more that the demand for new classical music is mostly limited to film scores and such these days. It's not a genre that demands a lot of new music since the listening audience is already incredibly small but there are still volumes of works done by the "greats" over a several hundred year span. I don't believe that new composers are going to do much to draw in a larger crowd.
I personally disagree. I think that a decent enough market could be found for this type of music, and it's proven by composers doing some great work on YouTube and getting some healthy exposure there.
 

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There is always this undercurrent of false humility with these people, like calling classical music “elite” as if something is “elite” that’s inherently a bad thing. For socialists everything must be flattened, no one can stand above the rest. If you think you are better than everyone you need to be taken down a notch. It’s against excellence.

It is anti human and anti culture and anti intellectual and anti a half dozen other things. It’s very much “know your place”.

The ironic thing imo most people these days know classical music from cartoons, which is a low class form of art. And the “people’s music” of today is made by elite billionaires like Beyoncé which is another irony.
 
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For a long time Beethoven and Mozart were the best. But then a new era started, surpassing their genius, spearheaded by Justin Bieber and Kanye West.
It's a great time to be alive.
 

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I think these days the classism exists more in the playing or composing of the music than the listening, though I still think that there are more high class venues than casual ones. I wouldn't say it's dying, but more stagnating. As a classical lover there's really no such thing as new mainstream classical music. It's a small amount of people playing the best hits over and over. I suppose "new classical" techincally wouldn't be classical anymore, but my point is that we could do so much more with these beautiful instruments and sounds.



It's recognizable (though sometimes largely because it's been so heavily commercialized), but that's not the same thing as been currently relevant, which is generally what "dying out" refers to.



I love classical music, and thinking that classical music has a lot of classism baggage has nothing to do with "loathing european culture"



I personally disagree. I think that a decent enough market could be found for this type of music, and it's proven by composers doing some great work on YouTube and getting some healthy exposure there.
The idea that formal dressing is classism is retarded. Classical music is open to anyone just look at all the Asians who play cello or violin. Yes there is a certain formality to it but so what? Classical music will continue to get by don’t you worry.
 

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For a long time Beethoven and Mozart were the best. But then a new era started, surpassing their genius, spearheaded by Justin Bieber and Kanye West.
It's a great time to be alive.
The new era that listens to "music" with the ever shrinking scale compositions, repetitive mind droning beats lacking complexity or layers.

Much like their brains, go figure.
 
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yes we should not celebrate elitists like Beethoven, but real down to earth ReGuLaR pEoPlE like

Beyonce



Taylor Swift



Dr. Dre




Post Malone



Imagine Dragons



ffs this Imagine Dragons guy is richer than Beethoven ever was.
Kreayshawn Net Worth:
$400 Thousand

Who said the world was fair......

 
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One New York City classical music fan wrote in the 1840s, for example, that he wished that “all women shall be gagged by officers duly licensed for the purpose before they’re allowed to enter a concert room.”
A sentiment that holds true to this day.
 

CeroFrio996

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The idea that formal dressing is classism is retarded. Classical music is open to anyone just look at all the Asians who play cello or violin. Yes there is a certain formality to it but so what? Classical music will continue to get by don’t you worry.
Uh... Asians playing classical isn't proof that its not classist... what?

If the argument is Beethoven's 5th is bad but Cardi B's WAP is good then, kindly, your argument can go fuck itself.
Well its good then that at no point in that article was that point ever made. The quality of Beethoven was never questioned in this article.
 

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The past four months have convinced me to vote for Trump. I voted Independent last election because I don’t like the man, but this cancel culture, rioting, trans, and Marxist stuff is crazy. Biden may not support it, but he’ll be used to advance it. Congratulations to the lunatic left, you are converting me. I won’t be surprised if there are more that do the same after all of this. The funny thing is that I debated the possibility of voting for Biden despite his stance on abortion until the rioting started. I think the George Floyd video was despicable, and Chauvinism seems like a prick who deserves manslaughter at minimum. However, the constant rioting has lost my empathy for the cause.