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So Why Are Switch & Switch Lite Sales Being Combined?

EverydayBeast

thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Even if you consider the switch lite a different console I would say you're essentially asking the series s sales to be different than the series x sales, the iphone 13 pro sales different than the iphone 13 mini sales.
 

Marvel14

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Huh? They are the same platform. Why wouldn't they combine them? Obviously they look at trends across all variants, but why try to spin the lite as not a switch?
There are some games you can't play in handheld mode ( RingFitAdventure?). They are not one and the same.
 
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01011001

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There are some games you can't play in handheld mode ( RingFitAdventure?). They are not one and the same.

you literally can play EVERY SINGLE GAME on the Lite. including Ring Fit Adventure



there are absolutely 0 games that are incompatible with the Lite. even Labo works if you are talented enough to adjust the builds for the Lite
 
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Marvel14

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you literally can play EVERY SINGLE GAME on the Lite. including Ring Fit Adventure



there are absolutely 0 games that are incompatible with the Lite. even Labo works if you are talented enough to adjust the builds for the Lite
Did you watch the video? You need to buy an extra pair of joycons and you can t easily see the screen as there is no kickstand.

It doesn't work with the Switch-lite as sold.
 
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01011001

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Did you watch the video? You need to buy an extra pair of joycons and you can t easily see the screen as there is no kickstand.

It doesn't work solely with the Switch-lite.

it also doesn't work solely with the original Switch...
this is the OG Switch


you need joycons to play this! and the og Switch has no joycons, it's just a screen!... of course they come bundled in. but deviding systems by which controller they come bundled with would be the dumbest shit ever
because that would mean if you bought a Switch on Ebay that comes only with a charger and no controllers or dock you would need to then basically say you bought something that would not count towards the sales of the og Switch, since you need additional controllers to play the game xD


and who the fuck cares that the screen isn't as easy to use? if you have some sort of stand for it on a case or something, and set it up on a high desk or any other piece of furniture you will be easily able to play the game.
 
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BlackTron

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Guess I'm in a minority in that I actually agree. If Game Boy had shared a software library with NES, I would still figure that its sales numbers would be counted separately from NES.

It makes sense to lump all Switch numbers together because it's one platform/family of systems/software library. But comparing total sales of Switch systems to PS5 directly would be like comparing the aggregate of Wii and DS to PS3. If you want to compare home console sales numbers, then you need to subtract Switch Lite. I might even be tempted to let Lite count if it at least had a TV out, but it doesn't. It's a handheld, period, and shouldn't be included in a comparison of home consoles.

That takes nothing away from the accomplishment of Switch, which is utterly insane whether you count Lite or not.
 

01011001

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Guess I'm in a minority in that I actually agree. If Game Boy had shared a software library with NES

but it fucking didn't what are you smoking? they didn't even run at the same resolution and games that were ported over needed to be adjusted due to the sprites litreally not fitting the screen...

the GameBoy and NES didn't even have similar hardware whatsoever

the Switch and Switch Lite ARE LITERALLY THE SAME EXACT SYSTEM... there is zero spec difference and they share 100% of their library
in fact the difference in hardware between the first model Switch and the first Switch Revision using the Mariko APU have a bigger hardware difference than the new Switch models and the Switch lite.
 
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BlackTron

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but it fucking didn't what are you smoking? they didn't even run at the same resolution and games that were ported over needed to be adjusted due to the sprites litreally not fitting the screen...

the GameBoy and NES didn't even have similar hardware whatsoever

the Switch and Switch Lite ARE LITERALLY THE SAME EXACT SYSTEM... there is zero spec difference and they share 100% of their library
in fact the difference in hardware between the first model Switch and the first Switch Revision using the Mariko APU have a bigger hardware difference than the new Switch models and the Switch lite.

The difference is that the Switch Lite is a portable device and the Switch is a hybrid console and portable.

So, if you are going to count sales of home consoles, Lite doesn't belong in it.

And LOL, yes it's obvious that NES games on Game Boy not only didn't happen, it was impossible. Therefore my key word "if" that made it a hypothetical. All the reasons it could never have happened such as power and resolution are meaningless. It was just an example -that IF Game Boy shared a library with NES, it would still be a portable, its sales shouldn't count as NES sales, and that to compare apples-to-apples, that Game Boy numbers would be compared against Game Gear, not Genesis.

Edit: I would even be willing to say you COULD count Nomad sales as Genesis sales, because at least it has a TV out. It's a tiny Genesis with a screen and buttons.

But Switch Lite? It's a DEDICATED portable. It can't even fulfill the role of a home console with extra purchases, tinkering and voodoo magic. You can compare its sales to anything you want, but you can't say it's analagous to comparing, say, Gamecube PS2 and Xbox. You are making a different kind of comparison.
 
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01011001

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Edit: I would even be willing to say you COULD count Nomad sales as Genesis sales, because at least it has a TV out. It's a tiny Genesis with a screen and buttons.

But Switch Lite? It's a DEDICATED portable. It can't even fulfill the role of a home console with extra purchases, tinkering and voodoo magic. You can compare its sales to anything you want, but you can't say it's analagous to comparing, say, Gamecube PS2 and Xbox. You are making a different kind of comparison.

so the PSP 1000 and E1000 should not be counted together with the 2000, 3000 and Go then? since you know... the 1000 and E1000 are dedicated handhelds while the 2000, 3000 and Go can be connected to a TV... they also have more ram as well!
 
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BlackTron

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so the PSP 1000 and E1000 should not be counted together with the 2000, 3000 and Go then? since you know... the 1000 and E1000 are dedicated handhelds while the 2000, 3000 and Go can be connected to a TV... they also have more ram as well!

TV out on Nomad is only notable because it allows the system to be functionally similar to an existing console (Genesis). The line is blurry and I'd still be more inclined to call, and count, Nomad as a portable. If someone made the case though, I would concede that you could stretch definitions to roll in Nomad with Genesis because they are so similar -Nomad takes Genesis carts, a Genesis controller and works on a TV, so it makes a really strong case. Switch Lite has a terrible case to be rolled in like that because it fails to fulfill the game console role that Switch provides.

I'm talking about the fundamental role that a system provides and you're acting like I'm focused on minutiae like RAM.
 

01011001

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TV out on Nomad is only notable because it allows the system to be functionally similar to an existing console (Genesis). The line is blurry and I'd still be more inclined to call, and count, Nomad as a portable. If someone made the case though, I would concede that you could stretch definitions to roll in Nomad with Genesis because they are so similar -Nomad takes Genesis carts, a Genesis controller and works on a TV, so it makes a really strong case. Switch Lite has a terrible case to be rolled in like that because it fails to fulfill the game console role that Switch provides.

I'm talking about the fundamental role that a system provides and you're acting like I'm focused on minutiae like RAM.

but what I am saying is literally the exact same situation the Switch is in.
PSP 1000 and E1000 can only be played in handheld mode. the 2000, 3000 and Go can be played on a TV. the PSPGo even has a Tabletop mode like the switch where you can use a Dualshock 3 while the system is propped up on a Table.

so by that logic, the 1000 and E1000 should not be considered to be the same system and not count towards the overall sales of the 2000/3000/Go and vise versa

and then there is the DSi that can play games the DS and DS Lite can not play, but also there are games that the DSi can not play due to the missing GBA slot that was used by some games for peripherals like the Guitar grip for Guitar Hero.
so the DSi and DS have different game pools they are compatible with. the New 3DS is in the same situation.
 
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Rest

All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
People so triggered by Switch crossing 100 mill they are going full retard.
HOW CAN NINTENDO BE DOOMED IF THEY'RE SELLING MILLIONS OF CONSOLES?!!?!!!?!!!!?!!!!!?!!!!!!?!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!!?
 

StreetsofBeige

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People so triggered by Switch crossing 100 mill they are going full retard.
Just give it a few more years and it'll pass PS2. And you'll really see fireworks. Switch is trending at 25M units per year and not even slowing down. It's actually going up.

Leave it to console warriors to battle over unit sales.

Cant remember the last time PC gamers battled over AMD vs Nvidia chip sales, or who sells more BMW, Mercedes or Audi. If anything, they'd help each other out trying to get the most out of their PC rig, and every friend or fam I know are good hearted enough to give tips on their car brand (good points and watch outs) when I was looking for a new car years ago.

But makes sense. Most console gamers are single platform gamers (they probably dont even play PC games) so they got to justify their measly $400 purchase for the next 7 years.
 
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Marvel14

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it also doesn't work solely with the original Switch...
this is the OG Switch


you need joycons to play this! and the og Switch has no joycons, it's just a screen!... of course they come bundled in. but deviding systems by which controller they come bundled with would be the dumbest shit ever
because that would mean if you bought a Switch on Ebay that comes only with a charger and no controllers or dock you would need to then basically say you bought something that would not count towards the sales of the og Switch, since you need additional controllers to play the game xD


and who the fuck cares that the screen isn't as easy to use? if you have some sort of stand for it on a case or something, and set it up on a high desk or any other piece of furniture you will be easily able to play the game.
That has to be the most nonsensical response I've ever seen. Buying a second hand Switch has fuck all to do with anything. "If I buy a system without controllers I'd still have to go buy controllers". Yeah and the sky is blue too.

If you go to the shop and by a new Switch and Ring Fit you can go home and play it.

If you go to the shop and by a new Switch-lite and Ring Fit you can't. And if you buy a separate pair of joycons you still need to find a way to prop it up.

This is not an opinion you can argue with. Its a fact....somehow I don't think that's going to stop you trying to anyway.
 

Marvel14

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The Lite, original Switch, and OLED are three SKUs of the platform. That's how it is defined by Nintendo themselves, as well as all of the professional industry analysts and tracking companies.
Yes different SKUs but the Switch-lite doesn't have the same functionality of the other two. It's form factor is substantially different.
 

RyRy93

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So Nintendo fanboys can proudly state that the Switch is the best selling home console ever when the Lite inevitably carries it way beyond 100M units sold
 

Marvel14

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Later Wii’s didn’t have Gamecube functionality. Later PS3s didn’t have BC or half the ports. Do we split those sales too?
It depends what you want to measure. For overall hardware performance no, which is what I think most people are interested in. I do think it's unfair to directly compare the Switch-lite to the Xbox or Playstation in sales performance though as the core functionality: mobile vs TV play is not comparable.

How would you treat Xbox Series S and X?
 
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Riky

My little VRR pleasure pearl goes vrrrooommm.
People are so desperate for a "sales win" they are trying to split sales of consoles that play the same games now, really plunging new depths of desperation.
 
There is no such thing as a home console in 2022. Something that plugs into a TV isn't a defining feature anymore.

XBox Series is too close to a PC to be called a traditional home console. Cloud gaming and Remote Play on PS5 blurs the boundaries further.

Just because Switch does its own thing with its own screen doesn't mean it should be disallowed from 'console' sales charts. Much of the Xbox library can be played on PC, and remote play lets you play on your phone but they're not exempt from charts because of this.

Keep fighting the good salt, guys.
 

IFireflyl

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The Lite, original Switch, and OLED are three SKUs of the platform. That's how it is defined by Nintendo themselves, as well as all of the professional industry analysts and tracking companies.

This is another reason I would argue the entire Switch line falls into the handheld console category instead of the home console category. But, regardless of how you classify it, the fact remains that the entire Switch console line (which includes the Switch Lite) should combine sales, and Nintendo sold a butt-ton of Switch consoles.

Now if they make a Switch 2 and combine sales I'll shake my head, but I don't believe that would happen.
 
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BlackTron

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but what I am saying is literally the exact same situation the Switch is in.
PSP 1000 and E1000 can only be played in handheld mode. the 2000, 3000 and Go can be played on a TV. the PSPGo even has a Tabletop mode like the switch where you can use a Dualshock 3 while the system is propped up on a Table.

so by that logic, the 1000 and E1000 should not be considered to be the same system and not count towards the overall sales of the 2000/3000/Go and vise versa

and then there is the DSi that can play games the DS and DS Lite can not play, but also there are games that the DSi can not play due to the missing GBA slot that was used by some games for peripherals like the Guitar grip for Guitar Hero.
so the DSi and DS have different game pools they are compatible with. the New 3DS is in the same situation.

Does the TV out on the 2000, 3000 and Go allow those PSP models to gain parity with an existing home console the same way that it makes the Nomad a Genesis?

Let me try to put it another way, as concisely as I can. I think that if you're going to compare sales of home consoles, a portable device shouldn't be included. However, if said portable device offers sufficiently similar functionality to the home console, you could make a decent case for rolling all the numbers together.

So, by that logic, I would even concede to roll in Nomad with Genesis, but can't see rolling in Lite with Switch.

There is no apples-to-apples comparison anymore because Switch is both a home console and a portable. Making it impossible, even if Lite didn't exist, to make a direct apples-to-apples comparison with sales numbers of home consoles. It taps both markets. The Lite makes it even more of an apples-to-oranges comparison.

The simple fact is that you can't call a device with no TV out a home console. That doesn't mean the fact that some PSP models happen to include the feature means you should segregate their sales numbers.

If you want to count sales of Switch family systems, absolutely include everything. If you want to compare sales of home consoles, subtract sales of Switch Lite, because even by allowing a stretched definition like in my Nomad example, the Lite doesn't count 🤷‍♂️

I say this as a Nintendo fanboy who is right now wearing a Mario Kart shirt and has spent 1% the time gaming on PS as I have on Nintendo systems, since 1990. I even hated Sony and refused to buy PS2 because I was bitter over Dreamcast. Even when I tried to like PS3 I couldn't stand the controller. I have no reason to try and make Sony look better or tear down Nintendo's numbers. I just think that if we're going to compare sales the same way we always have, as in console vs console, portable vs portable, then Switch makes everything murky by tapping both markets, and Lite has no place in a comparison of home console numbers because even by a stretched definition it simply isn't one.
 
If you want to compare sales of home consoles, subtract sales of Switch Lite
But what if you just want to compare sales of consoles? There's nothing wrong comparing sales of the PS2 and the DS. They're governed by different factors, sure, but it's absolutely possible to compare them.

You can't, by your definition, compare the Switch to just 'home' consoles or just handhelds, either, because it's a platform encompassing both. Comparing the OG and OLED Switch sales to home consoles is just as unfair, because by all metrics at least half of those systems are hardly ever used as - and at least a third aren't bought as - home consoles, so are also governed by different factors. The factors governing the sales of the regular hybrid Switch units that are only used as handhelds, are the same as or similar enough to the factors that govern the sales of handheld-only Switch Lites, so how do you propose to treat those? Do you think it's fair to split a uniquely hybrid platform up by its use case, for "fairness" to purely stationary consoles?

Or maybe it's more fair to treat a uniquely hybrid platform's sales in combination, because even if you were to split off the variants that are handheld by design, among the rest the console/handheld split is still there?
 
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Woopah

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Yes different SKUs but the Switch-lite doesn't have the same functionality of the other two. It's form factor is substantially different.
Correct, different SKUs of the same product which offer different functionality. Just the same as the many other platform revisions there have been in the past.
This is another reason I would argue the entire Switch line falls into the handheld console category instead of the home console category. But, regardless of how you classify it, the fact remains that the entire Switch console line (which includes the Switch Lite) should combine sales, and Nintendo sold a butt-ton of Switch consoles.

Now if they make a Switch 2 and combine sales I'll shake my head, but I don't believe that would happen.
I don't think it needs to be classified as either. It's a dedicated video game device just like the PS4, 3DS, Wii, PSP etc. etc.

Official trackers like Famitsu just show the number of systems sold, they don't break it down into "handhelds" or "home consoles".
 

IFireflyl

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Correct, different SKUs of the same product which offer different functionality. Just the same as the many other platform revisions there have been in the past.

I don't think it needs to be classified as either. It's a dedicated video game device just like the PS4, 3DS, Wii, PSP etc. etc.

Official trackers like Famitsu just show the number of systems sold, they don't break it down into "handhelds" or "home consoles".

It certainly doesn't have to have any classification, but people have historically treated a handheld as separate from regular consoles. Because historically they were wildly different consoles. But then Nintendo decided to murky the waters with the Switch. :messenger_grinning_smiling:
 

Marvel14

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It certainly doesn't have to have any classification, but people have historically treated a handheld as separate from regular consoles. Because historically they were wildly different consoles. But then Nintendo decided to murky the waters with the Switch. :messenger_grinning_smiling:
Yes and given Sony and Microsoft fanboys a ready made excuse if Nintendo achieves higher sales than their favourite company.🤣
 

Woopah

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It certainly doesn't have to have any classification, but people have historically treated a handheld as separate from regular consoles. Because historically they were wildly different consoles. But then Nintendo decided to murky the waters with the Switch. :messenger_grinning_smiling:
Agreed, which is why not worrying about the difference is simpler. Plus I believe that calling platforms a "console" or "handheld" is mostly done by people speaking English. Some other languages don't make that distinction.
 

DenchDeckard

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I really never thought I’d see so much of this shit for the switch. It plays the same games, it uses the same controllers, it’s the exact same cpu /gpu …basically the same hardware.
 

01011001

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Does the TV out on the 2000, 3000 and Go allow those PSP models to gain parity with an existing home console the same way that it makes the Nomad a Genesis?

I'm not even gonna read the rest of your post because that first sentence right here is already flawed and against your own argument.
why do you always bring up the Nomad. I am only talking about the Switch here. you said, because one can connect to a TV and the other can not, that this would mean we shouldn't see them as the same system. even making up this fictional scenario where the GameBoy was NES compatible to argue for this.

I say, the PSP also has versions that can be used on a TV and versions that can not be used on a TV.
therefore it is simply logical that you argument would also mean that the PSP 1000 and PSP 2000 should not be considered the same system in sales numbers.
so we would need to separate the PSP 1000 and E1000 models from the PSP 2000, 3000 and Go models due to the latter group having the TV feature and the former not.

if you argue that the Lite is not the same as the normal Switch then you also argue what I said above, as it is exactly the same differentiating feature between the 2 groups of PSP models


so to really ride this home... these 2 systems should not count towards the same sales pool if we argue TV out functionality changes what group a system should be in:




I bet there are some uninitiated forum useres here that couldn't even tell you which models these are just from looking at these images
 
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Agreed, which is why not worrying about the difference is simpler. Plus I believe that calling platforms a "console" or "handheld" is mostly done by people speaking English. Some other languages don't make that distinction.
Heh, that's actually true, and somewhat hilarious, for instance in Russian. A 'console' is literally called an 'attachment' (or rather "pristavka", a word roughly meaning 'a thing that is attached in front', shared by set-top boxes and prefixes) in Russian, and handhelds are referred to by the same word... despite being quite empathically not the kind of things that are attached to something. :)
 

BlackTron

Member
I'm not even gonna read the rest of your post because that first sentence right here is already flawed and against your own argument.
why do you always bring up the Nomad. I am only talking about the Switch here. you said, because one can connect to a TV and the other can not, that this would mean we shouldn't see them as the same system. even making up this fictional scenario where the GameBoy was NES compatible to argue for this.

I say, the PSP also has versions that can be used on a TV and versions that can not be used on a TV.
therefore it is simply logical that you argument would also mean that the PSP 1000 and PSP 2000 should not be considered the same system in sales numbers.
so we would need to separate the PSP 1000 and E1000 models from the PSP 2000, 3000 and Go models due to the latter group having the TV feature and the former not.

if you argue that the Lite is not the same as the normal Switch then you also argue what I said above, as it is exactly the same differentiating feature between the 2 groups of PSP models


so to really ride this home... these 2 systems should not count towards the same sales pool if we argue TV out functionality changes what group a system should be in:




I bet there are some uninitiated forum useres here that couldn't even tell you which models these are just from looking at these images
I already thought your reading comprehension was bad, thanks for confirming it by writing a longass reply to a post that you didn't even bother reading.
 

BlackTron

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But what if you just want to compare sales of consoles? There's nothing wrong comparing sales of the PS2 and the DS. They're governed by different factors, sure, but it's absolutely possible to compare them.

You can't, by your definition, compare the Switch to just 'home' consoles or just handhelds, either, because it's a platform encompassing both. Comparing the OG and OLED Switch sales to home consoles is just as unfair, because by all metrics at least half of those systems are hardly ever used as - and at least a third aren't bought as - home consoles, so are also governed by different factors. The factors governing the sales of the regular hybrid Switch units that are only used as handhelds, are the same as or similar enough to the factors that govern the sales of handheld-only Switch Lites, so how do you propose to treat those? Do you think it's fair to split a uniquely hybrid platform up by its use case, for "fairness" to purely stationary consoles?

Or maybe it's more fair to treat a uniquely hybrid platform's sales in combination, because even if you were to split off the variants that are handheld by design, among the rest the console/handheld split is still there?

I'm in agreement and hope you realize that many of your points I touched on myself in the post you quoted :)
 
I'm in agreement and hope you realize that many of your points I touched on myself in the post you quoted :)
I will admit to mostly skimming your post, and just catching the emphasized bit. <_<
So yes, I agree. By rigid comparison definitions, the hybrid Switch can't be directly compared to either handhelds or 'home' consoles exclusively.

Which is why I actually find the "combined generation sales" approach interesting. The Switch has already beaten 3DS and WiiU combined, but it's got a ways to go until it reaches the Wii and DS. :)
By the same token, comparing the Switch sales to the combined Sony generations is also fair. PSP and PS3 together make for a daunting 170-ish million that the Switch would have its work cut out for it to pass, however the PS4 and Vita make for a far closer 120-130mil target that the Switch will likely overtake in the next year or two.
 

DenchDeckard

Gold Member
I will admit to mostly skimming your post, and just catching the emphasized bit. <_<
So yes, I agree. By rigid comparison definitions, the hybrid Switch can't be directly compared to either handhelds or 'home' consoles exclusively.

Which is why I actually find the "combined generation sales" approach interesting. The Switch has already beaten 3DS and WiiU combined, but it's got a ways to go until it reaches the Wii and DS. :)
By the same token, comparing the Switch sales to the combined Sony generations is also fair. PSP and PS3 together make for a daunting 170-ish million that the Switch would have its work cut out for it to pass, however the PS4 and Vita make for a far closer 120-130mil target that the Switch will likely overtake in the next year or two.

i really don’t think that we should be combining the console sales of previous generation dedicated home consoles and handhelds against the switch. Just because Nintendo used to make both doesn’t mean the switch should have to outsell combined sales to be seen as actually “beating” sales of consoles.

if That’s what’s being implied, anyway. If I have completely miss understood this please ignore me haha.
 

Celine

Member
To answer to the real question that is bothering OP:
Yes, Switch has recently outsold both Wii and PS1 and will outsell PS4 and GB during 2022.
 
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Infamy v1

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Same reason PS4 and PS4 slim counts as PS4 sales.

Dont be mad that Nintendo is about to break all PlayStation console records. Switch is king.
 
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Melon Husk

Member
It's a fair question to ask, because Nintendo used to have a handheld and a home console.
Interesting comparison would be Wii + DS versus WiiU + 3DS versus Switch + Switch Lite.
 

Chastten

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Total sales per generation would be interesting, but since Sony doesnt have a handheld anymore, and Microsoft never had one, it does make it kind of unfair.

Then again, Sony will never reach the heights they achieved during the PS3/PSP era anymore, just as Nintendo will never reach Wii/NDS combined numbers.

Microsoft might still be able to outsell their previous best generation so there's that though :p
 

Mozza

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Debate we were having over on PushSquare.com after they (along with countless other gaming websites) posted an article about the Switch passing the Wii and the PS1 total lifetime sales - my question is - did it really?

Why are the Switch & Switch Lite sales numbers being combined?

Because Nintendo calls the Lite a Switch? (even though it doesn't "switch" from anything).

Because they look similar?

One is a home console / handheld hybrid, the other a dedicated handheld.

One replaced the Wii U on the home console side, the other the 3DS on the handheld side.

Nintendo itself lists the Lite as a dedicated handheld on its website.

Because VGChartz says so?

VGCharts- the source of the sales figures - has a chart specific to Nintendo handhelds. The Switch Lite? Nowhere to be found.

Now before the Nintendo legions come out of the woodwork - no one is debating that the Switch is a massive success and a complete turnaround from the disaster that was the Wii U. We're debating the combining of sales of the two different types of consoles.

It would be one thing if they played the same games - but they don't. There are several games you can't play on the Lite due to the functionality they removed from it.

Had there been a single game that could be played on either the PS4 Pro or Xbox One X that you couldn't play on the base consoles - would those sales have been allowed to be combined together? I highly doubt it.

And no - it's not the same thing as Pro/Xbox One X. Those systems played 100.00000000% of the games as the base units- and they certainly didn't change form factor from home console to handheld.

If either Sony or Microsoft released a handheld today that played 99.99% of the games that the PS5 and Xbox Series did - would those sales be combined together? Not a f@%king chance!

So why does Nintendo get away with it?

Seems to me that they're allowed to get a 25-30 million bump whereas the others would not.
Do you guys ever give up, just accept it for what it is, the Switch is a success, nobody died or lost their job over it, simply move on.
 
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