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So why didn't Fallout 4 live up to the greatness of 3
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Aonuma
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The robot murder mystery vault was pretty good, but overall they definitely were lacking in originality compared to previous games.
This is getting semantic, but I would argue the writing is generally pretty good at what its trying to do.
Its the quest design that people object to, because it is so simplified and linear.
Sosokrates
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Ive enjoyed all 3d Fallouts.
Most ppl regard 3 and 4 to be on par.
Most ppl regard 3 and 4 to be on par.
The obsession with crafting, aka busywork.
Crafting is stupid. Its simply there to draw thr game out. Its only purpose is to waste your time. I hate Skyrim, stopped playing that and sold it in teo hours. Making fallout more like Skyrim just made it that much worse.
The story and characters werent nearly as engaging, I was getting murdered regularly even at level 20, nothing felt the awe that was 3. I went back and played 3 again after it came out. It was still way more satisfying. Still havent come close to finishing 4.
I hope its up next for a remaster. The PC version was gorgeous.
Crafting is stupid. Its simply there to draw thr game out. Its only purpose is to waste your time. I hate Skyrim, stopped playing that and sold it in teo hours. Making fallout more like Skyrim just made it that much worse.
The story and characters werent nearly as engaging, I was getting murdered regularly even at level 20, nothing felt the awe that was 3. I went back and played 3 again after it came out. It was still way more satisfying. Still havent come close to finishing 4.
I hope its up next for a remaster. The PC version was gorgeous.
Dogavir
Neo Member
You can skip basebuilding entirely.
Actually, never getting back to Sanctuary at the beginning, I didn't realize basebuilding was possible until 40 hours into the game.
Technically you are required to do settlement building in a tiny way for 2 quests, but it is basically just open the menu place down X object and you are done, everything else is optional.
I played FO4 more than FO3 so it must have something good to it, mainly gameplay, I really liked the gameplay in FO4, but I still think 3 was cooler, being able to be a good\bad guy with consequences in the game was really nice.
Also voice acting made the character sound boring (in italian).
AlteredForms
Banned
New Vegas was superior to all of them.
And that's including the OG titles.
Berek Halfhand
Member
Loved them both.
. F4 is a good game palpabl_purpura
Member
Well it's give and take. 3 and new Vegas had better rpg elements, but awful gunplay. So the answer depends on what is important to you. I think new Vegas was the worst due to uninspired setting, faction bantering, and crippling bugs and glitches (YEAH, even for a fallout game)
Q&A testing the settlement stuff/Minecraft-pitch is something that hogged plenty of development resources is my guess. Opportunities given up.
That and having a voiced protagonist seemed like an odd change, mainly because it was introduced alongside poor character development. The Witcher 3 has a voiced protagonist, but it doesn't seem bothersome given most surrounding characters are well developed and retain actual personality (in main/side quest cutscenes).
That & no longer having concrete dialogue responses didn't help either. Instead players were given the face button tree, with sort of emotional summaries of what would be said, then plenty of times, the actual voice line didn't match the players expectation (given such a general summary).
That and having a voiced protagonist seemed like an odd change, mainly because it was introduced alongside poor character development. The Witcher 3 has a voiced protagonist, but it doesn't seem bothersome given most surrounding characters are well developed and retain actual personality (in main/side quest cutscenes).
That & no longer having concrete dialogue responses didn't help either. Instead players were given the face button tree, with sort of emotional summaries of what would be said, then plenty of times, the actual voice line didn't match the players expectation (given such a general summary).
Koala Driving a Ferrari
Member
Agreed. I do like FNV but Obsidian really dropped the ball when it came to creating an inspired setting to explore. I suspect that the short development timeline was one of the causes for that. It's a shame that FNVs great RPG elements didn't get to shine in a game world as intriguing as Fallout 3's. That first moment when you step out of Vault 101 in F3 was a "Mario 64 moment" for me.
i kind of doubt it... seemed like a fairly resource insensitive aspect of the game. though i imagine they thought it was way more fun than it really was
i think the game just wasn't particularly inspired. they thought "we'll do the Institute this time" and kind of left it at that.
Humdinger
Member
Same here. I quit at the base building part. That just killed my interest.
Kirkbangles
Neo Member
Fallout 4 died because of its narrative. Uninspired, uninteresting and too short.
Martinski43
Member
Fallout 3 aint that great, New Vegas is the best of the 3D Fallout games.
It is the one that stays the most true to the first games too.
It is the one that stays the most true to the first games too.
Sweet Bellic
Member
Holy hyperbole, Batman! Combat and graphics (two huge metrics) are unequivocally better in FO4. I'd argue the story and world design of FO4 are superior as well.
What? Where were you in 2013? GTA V was significantly more hyped. Fallout 4 didn't make a billion in three days or break any records. It garnered a lot of hype, certainly, but not even close to what GTA V achieved.
L Corleone
Neo Member
This entire statement is so untrue. I feel like you are a huge Fallout fan and are speaking for yourself here because this is far from the reality.
JaxBriggs
Member
Yeah I have to agree. I mean yeah there was a lot of hype for a new Fallout, but GTA V levels? No way.
Big difference too was probably the much shorter announcement to launch window with Fallout 4, rather than like 18 or so months or trailers and screenshots like with GTA.
Kumorin
Member
For me it slipped up from the get go. I chose to play as a female lead, who I think is supposed to be a lawyer or something in the pre-fallout world so would have no business being a munitions expert yet the game made me kill and kill and kill again. It was more like a FPS at times than an RPG. That didnt sit right. Then theres the sort of time-dependent main storyline where this woman wakes up distraught that her son is missing and then casually builds a fort and takes on kooky missions. It just didnt mesh. The go anywhere, do anything open world doesnt work with a story this compelling.
It also comes down to factions at a certain point and I legitimately hated all my options and only chose the one I did based on story possibilities. The fact that theres very little pay off to your choices was also dire. I liked the game well enough, and it kept me going for over a hundred hours, but it was hard to care about the world or its fate. Less Marcus Garvey busywork wouldve been nice.
This. It just felt very bland compared to the capital wasteland. It wasn't fun or engaging
radewagon
Member
Not knocking your opinion, but I felt the exact opposite way. I loved Fallout 3's world, but Fallout 4 was the first time I felt like the environment was even remotely livable enough to give the world a sense of believability. It was, finally, not bland.
Badlucktroll
Member
I loved 3, 4, and NV. I platinum trophied 4. I bet it will come to switch sometime this summer.
Kadayi
Banned
Never got that far into it, and haven't felt the urge to go back, despite the proliferation of crazy mods. For myself, reasons being a combination of that Janky assed game engine and having zero interest in the base building. I'm up for a bit of customization here and there, but I don't want to waste hours building defences, or making settlements. I get some people like that sort of thing, and I'll freely admit I've been known to exercise my inner architect in games like The Sims, but it's not sort of thing I necessarily want from my RPGs as a rule.
DouglasteR
Member
FO4 was much, MUCH more polished than FO3, BUT:
- It forced "The sims" down our throats (lot of effort was invested here)
- It lacked a true story, NPCs lacked reasons and motivations, as you too.
- Way to much repetition in certain pattern (red rockets everywhere, farms everywhere etc)
- Also, the game lacks seriousness, it´s like a child´s nuclear comedy, YOU CAN´T FEEL COMMITED TO THE GAME.
- It forced "The sims" down our throats (lot of effort was invested here)
- It lacked a true story, NPCs lacked reasons and motivations, as you too.
- Way to much repetition in certain pattern (red rockets everywhere, farms everywhere etc)
- Also, the game lacks seriousness, it´s like a child´s nuclear comedy, YOU CAN´T FEEL COMMITED TO THE GAME.
Alebrije
Member
Basically is a lazy developer game:
No next gen graphics
lame storyline
No deep conversations
Is more a FPS than a RPG
The map fell small basically every 2-3 minutes you discovered a new location.
little sence of exploration.
The same old glitches / that Bethesda never cares to fix.
DLCs little adds to the story.
No next gen graphics
lame storyline
No deep conversations
Is more a FPS than a RPG
The map fell small basically every 2-3 minutes you discovered a new location.
little sence of exploration.
The same old glitches / that Bethesda never cares to fix.
DLCs little adds to the story.
FF:Enhanced_Reality
Member
I really enjoyed Fallout 4, I actually liked it more than Fallout 3. I don't necessarily think the writing was bad, but it wasn't ground breaking. I enjoyed the story and the DLC packs were quite fun. I spent hours and hours building settlements too which took ages.
My biggest annoyance was the continuing missions that never ended. I can't abide those. Other than that the bugs are pissing me off now, they need to drop that engine.
My biggest annoyance was the continuing missions that never ended. I can't abide those. Other than that the bugs are pissing me off now, they need to drop that engine.
gioGAF
Member
Basically all of this. I also did not like:
- The legendary system: a stupid RNG grind that replaced finding awesome variants throughout the world. Now I can kill some stupid monster over and over again to try and get what I want, f' that.
- Crafting: before it was a more compact system and you could just carry and pick up what you wanted as needed. Now you have to carry around a bunch of trash.
Bethesda didn't really add anything I care about to the title. Crappy crafting, a town building mechanic I care nothing about, removal of RPG elements. They basically took everything I liked about NV and removed it. F4 is/was a colossal disappointment.
johntown
Banned
My problem with Fallout 4 and newer Bethesda RPG's in general is they strip all the RPG elements and meaningful choice out of the game and leave you with a shell of a game with little to no substance.
What I liked about Fallout 3 was.....
The dark and gritty world that just seemed hostile and genuine (Fallout 4 does this fairly well but not as well as 3 IMO).
Good and evil choices - this is what I personally loved the most (not necessarily the karma system). In Fallout 4 your choices only matter in a few instances and lets all be real......you know you wanted to walk up to Preston Garvey and blow his head off when he told you yet another settlement needed help.
Traditional RPG leveling - Sure the perk system is ok but I like to further refine my playstyle.
I still like Fallout 4 a lot but I prefer Fallout 3 more for the reasons above.
What I liked about Fallout 3 was.....
The dark and gritty world that just seemed hostile and genuine (Fallout 4 does this fairly well but not as well as 3 IMO).
Good and evil choices - this is what I personally loved the most (not necessarily the karma system). In Fallout 4 your choices only matter in a few instances and lets all be real......you know you wanted to walk up to Preston Garvey and blow his head off when he told you yet another settlement needed help.
Traditional RPG leveling - Sure the perk system is ok but I like to further refine my playstyle.
I still like Fallout 4 a lot but I prefer Fallout 3 more for the reasons above.
Grinchy
Banned
I don't know if you're on PC, but the loading times when you are going from indoors to the outside world were tied to the game's framerate.
So if you had vsync turned on, it would load slower than someone who had vsync turned off. It is mind-blowing that this is a real thing, but I faced 3 minute + load times until I found out about that and then played with vsync off from then on.
You can also alt-tab out of the game and the load finishes. Great engine, Bethesda.
ThatOneGrunt
Member
The DLC was hot garbage.
At least that's my only beef with the game. Fallout 3 had some of the most entertaining DLC I ever played. Loved each installment and was happy to buy them. Got the season pass for Fallout 4 expecting the same but instead got boring and stupid settlement upgrades.
At least that's my only beef with the game. Fallout 3 had some of the most entertaining DLC I ever played. Loved each installment and was happy to buy them. Got the season pass for Fallout 4 expecting the same but instead got boring and stupid settlement upgrades.
Allnamestakenlol
Member
The writing, story, and changes to the skill/perk systems were a big turnoff to me, but I enjoyed everything else, especially with mods installed (PC). Crafting, combat, building were all pretty good, imo.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I think they oversimplified the game just like they did with Skyrim. People wanted more options.
You can basically skip it after the intro to basebuilding. You gotta get back to the minutemen for the minutemen faction story, but basebuilding is completely optional AFAIK.
I really really loved Fallout 3. If the game would get a remaster for PC, Switch or even PS4/Xoen would be amazing. Basically because I really do not feel like hooking up my PS3 just for F3. The PC version requires 'Games for Windows Live', which is a horible discontinued service (I believe), but the client is still required to run F3 on PC. The game also runs very poorly on pc with random crashes, freezes and so on..
F4 was a fun shooter with a kinda poor story but interesting features based on F3. It felt like Bethesda took Fallout as an example and created a different game that is more shooter-ish. Maybe it's just a matter of time before Bethesda uses some kind of "Ubisoft Formula" where every IP gets all the same gameplay mechanics, world design and features just with different skins and a few iconic elements based on the franchise.
F4 was a fun shooter with a kinda poor story but interesting features based on F3. It felt like Bethesda took Fallout as an example and created a different game that is more shooter-ish. Maybe it's just a matter of time before Bethesda uses some kind of "Ubisoft Formula" where every IP gets all the same gameplay mechanics, world design and features just with different skins and a few iconic elements based on the franchise.
This may seem a bit ancillary, but I think it was a huge blow
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DouglasteR
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mindatlarge
Member
I've always heard that some were disappointed that dialog choices weren't more abundant and that there was less focus on the writing and more just on action and such.
I liked Fallout 4, though I've never played 3 or NV very much. So I really don't have a gauge to set disappointment.
I liked Fallout 4, though I've never played 3 or NV very much. So I really don't have a gauge to set disappointment.
Grinchy
Banned
They're probably still worth checking out if you have a decent PC and can install mods.
I'm still hoping for a Fallout 3 VR remaster for PSVR + Aim.