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Sonic the Hedgehog 4 - Wii/PS3/360; downloadable episodic release - [Update: $15?]
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Last I checked this was a sonic thread so forgive me if I'm missing something but...who the fuck is this eggman I keep seeing mentioned?Fox said:
We all know sonic is in this game and based on an image (that was taken down?) we also know robotnik is in...so who is this third character?
Diablohead
Member
Eggman is Robotnik, his original and Japanese name is Eggman.Gattsu25 said:
jman2050 said:
Thats true. But the closest legit stuff we have to go on is Iizuka pushing the team to include the "best" things from Sonic 2. The special stages better be one of them. Edit: whats funny is the preview section of the NP article kept referring to him as Robotnik.
I AM JOHN!
Banned
And you're just ridiculously naive and more than happy to give Sega as much rope as they need to hang us again. But what else is new, right?Willy105 said:
Aw fuck, I just broke my "not posting in the Sonic 4 thread again" edict, didn't I?
I AM JOHN!
Banned
In related news, this and the Needlemouse thread have made me really want to play Sonic Battle again for the obvious reason of that game is fucking awesome. And now I can't find it. >:|
ShockingAlberto
Member
And who says Sonic fans are terrible?Fox said:
Not I!
seriously, guys... you are bashing EVERYTHING of this game.
the real problem are the sonic haters. not the sonic fans. they buy a sonic game or not, depending on the quality, judging it after playing it. haters gonna hate, and nothing else.
i don't know what the hell do you want, but previews, screens and interviews talk about what everyone always wanted in the last 15 years
the real problem are the sonic haters. not the sonic fans. they buy a sonic game or not, depending on the quality, judging it after playing it. haters gonna hate, and nothing else.
i don't know what the hell do you want, but previews, screens and interviews talk about what everyone always wanted in the last 15 years
I AM JOHN!
Banned
So I've been playing Sonic Adventure again for the past two days.
I still love that game.
I still love that game.
Iknos said:
what's wrong?
it's 2d with pre-rendered characters
it's only a platform. no emerald hunt, beat'em up, fishing, racing or shooting sessions.
sonic and eggman are the only characters, no shitty friends
badniks are the enemies
super sonic is playable everywhere after collecting chaos emeralds
you get chaos emeralds from special stages, not during cutscenes
there are no humans or strange storyline and cutscenes with military and alien forces
alternate ending if you finish the game as super sonic
graphic style similar to the mega drive counterparts
of course, we have to confirm that level design and gameplay are REALLY similar to the mega drive classic titles. but this game is all about what fans always desired, without a total recycle in megaman 9-10 style. so if sega deserves our confidence, this is the right time.
Ten-Song said:
of course they are, but there's nothing wrong with a new incarnation of a classic franchise, if this respect the classic gameplay and concept.
the only problem with homing attack is that all of you haters associate it to the worst sonic games. but if it is well implemented, why this is must be a problem?
a new move is not a bad thing. spin dash was a new move, in sonic 2. spin attack was a new move in sonic 3. they haven't ruined sonic 2 and sonic 3.
wow. your changing avatars continue to deceive me x_x
Fox said:
The problem with the homing attack is its only ever been implemented in the Sonic games to minimize any intricacies in the level design or the platforming. Instead of having to land on enemies carefully to hop around, the process is instead automated, and not only that, but it is used in a way that blatantly points out how poor a mechanic it is (bridges made out of completely worthless enemies).
Fox said:
:lol I have a pretty big rotating stock at this point, and I keep adding more.
ok, we all know the purpose of homing attack in 3d sonic games, you're right.
but haven't seen anything about in THIS game. in the classic sonic games nobody never used to jump from badnik to badnik to reach secret places or alternate routes. maybe... 2-3 times in 4 games? so this is not an error, but an extra, if the level design offers some routes accessible only with this technique.
and after all, we still don't know how the timing for homing attack works.
but haven't seen anything about in THIS game. in the classic sonic games nobody never used to jump from badnik to badnik to reach secret places or alternate routes. maybe... 2-3 times in 4 games? so this is not an error, but an extra, if the level design offers some routes accessible only with this technique.
and after all, we still don't know how the timing for homing attack works.
I AM JOHN!
Banned
Cutting me deep, man. I'm playing Amy's campaign right now; she's tied for my second favorite campaign in the game with Gamma.Ten-Song said:
I'm probably going to end up writing something more in-depth about this for my friend's site (which I'll most assuredly plug like a shameless bastard if I do it), but the thing I'm noticing as I play this is when you look past the fact that it's a twelve-year-old game with ridiculous amounts of texture pop, Saturn levels of draw distance (minus the fog), and goofy, mediocre voice acting made even worse by a script that borders on Speed Racer territory at times, it's a surprisingly creative and well thought-out game. It's certainly not perfect; in fact, the common trend I'm noticing throughout the entire game is that it comes incredibly close to feeling like classic Sonic with an added dimension to it (pun kind of intended) and yet always slightly misses the mark. The physics feel off at times; levels are varied and oftentimes have multiple paths you can take and secrets to find, yet there usually ends up being no real tangible benefit for doing so; I could go on. And yet there's still something about the way it feels, removed from whatever nostalgia gameboner is being stroked for me, that makes it feel like someone actually looked at what made Sonics 1-3K work and bring it into 3D. I know I'm being kind of vague - to be honest I'm having trouble putting all this into words right now - but there's something about SA that I feel like has just been completely lost in every subsequent Sonic game; and I don't feel like this is just the nostalgia nerve talking considering that Sonic Adventure 2 was kind of a more important game in my life than Sonic Adventure 1 was for reasons I won't go into.
In short: I feel WAY more comfortable calling that "Sonic 4" than this fuckin' thing. :\
I AM JOHN! said:Cutting me deep, man. I'm playing Amy's campaign right now; she's tied for my second favorite campaign in the game with Gamma.
I'm probably going to end up writing something more in-depth about this for my friend's site (which I'll most assuredly plug like a shameless bastard if I do it), but the thing I'm noticing as I play this is when you look past the fact that it's a twelve-year-old game with ridiculous amounts of texture pop, Saturn levels of draw distance (minus the fog), and goofy, mediocre voice acting made even worse by a script that borders on Speed Racer territory at times, it's a surprisingly creative and well thought-out game. It's certainly not perfect; in fact, the common trend I'm noticing throughout the entire game is that it comes incredibly close to feeling like classic Sonic with an added dimension to it (pun kind of intended) and yet always slightly misses the mark. The physics feel off at times; levels are varied and oftentimes have multiple paths you can take and secrets to find, yet there usually ends up being no real tangible benefit for doing so; I could go on. And yet there's still something about the way it feels, removed from whatever nostalgia gameboner is being stroked for me, that makes it feel like someone actually looked at what made Sonics 1-3K work and bring it into 3D. I know I'm being kind of vague - to be honest I'm having trouble putting all this into words right now - but there's something about SA that I feel like has just been completely lost in every subsequent Sonic game; and I don't feel like this is just the nostalgia nerve talking considering that Sonic Adventure 2 was kind of a more important game in my life than Sonic Adventure 1 was for reasons I won't go into.
In short: I feel WAY more comfortable calling that "Sonic 4" than this fuckin' thing. :\
Think Tails and Gamma were the only real side characters I ever played as often. Which is weird, because I hated playing as Tails and Eggman in 2, which were pretty much just like the Gamma levels.
Being able to select characters separately was the best thing the game did, and it was always baffling that Adventure 2 went back on that. But then again Adventure 2 also had like next to no Sonic levels to play, so that's not its only problem.
And for whatever reason, it was the only time I could tolerate a hub world in a Sonic game. It was still mostly empty and pointlessly padded the game, but the mystic ruins theme made it worth it.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Fox said:
Stay in school little fella.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Fox said:
That's a funny piece of criticism considering your previous post.
riceandbeans said:
I'm sure it will let you keep your extra lives after you've beaten the game. Like, when you replay a level, you'll still have all your extra lives, just like a save-game file on Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
So you'll just have to replay levels a LOT to get to 99 lives.
disappeared
Banned
Will we still be able to lose the screen?
DryEyeRelief
Member
Fox said:
You did, and I appreciated it, but I'm referring to your post about the homing attack. You didn't really address anything Ten Song actually said in his post about the homing attack being basically being "Sonic's "solution" from transitioning from 2d to 3d: a simplification of method to destroy enemies.
Granted, destroying a lot of enemies in the old games were simple, but this mechanic doesn't belong in a 2d sonic game. Especially a 2d sonic game being advertised as being classic. Iizuka wanting to bring back the bridge mechanic from the 3d games as well is another nail in the coffin of Sega's genuine concern of how much this game will replicate the classics.
Overall, people in this thread have different expectations than you. Saying that this game automatically fulfills their expectations won't get you anywhere if they beg to differ.
DryEyeRelief said:
i understand now, thank you.
anyway, as i said earlier, i feel optimistic. for the first time in 15 years, sega seems to know what he's doing with sonic. i'm not afraid of homing attack, if the platforming will be bold. but, as everyone, all that i can do for now is to wait a gameplay video to judge the choice.
the positive thing is that in the preview - and not in the interview, where software house PR can say whatever they want about their product - talk about classic platforming, REAL platforming, different from sonic rush.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
Welp, I'm back with more Sonic 4 scoops!!
I looked through the latest X-Box magazine at Wal-Mart, and there's a 2 page spread on Sonic 4. Mostly images that have already been shown, and what little text was there didn't provide much new info EXCEPT an important detail on the story and I quote!!......
"No cutscenes, no dialouge"
That means just like in the old days, everything that deals with story will be pantomimed. SWEET!
One odd bit of info is that X-Box mag says the opposite about the cliffhanger. Basically, that you'll get the CH if you DON'T get all emeralds, and that getting all emeralds actually brings a resolution to the cliffhanger. So which is right? OXM, or NP and GI? Hmmmmm...
I looked through the latest X-Box magazine at Wal-Mart, and there's a 2 page spread on Sonic 4. Mostly images that have already been shown, and what little text was there didn't provide much new info EXCEPT an important detail on the story and I quote!!......
"No cutscenes, no dialouge"
That means just like in the old days, everything that deals with story will be pantomimed. SWEET!
One odd bit of info is that X-Box mag says the opposite about the cliffhanger. Basically, that you'll get the CH if you DON'T get all emeralds, and that getting all emeralds actually brings a resolution to the cliffhanger. So which is right? OXM, or NP and GI? Hmmmmm...
Fox said:
So what do you say to the assertion that the very nature of the homing attack is contrary to the basic principles of platforming?
Platforming is primarily about precise control of your on-screen character's movement, while homing attack is "press this button to let the game take control of your character from you." The reason it hasn't been done well in the past is that it is fundamentally at odds with the games' chosen genre. They may as well just make gap-crossing a fucking QTE.
f-castrillo
Neo Member
I don't see an immediate problem with the homing attack. It could prove interesting, especially if the badnik bridges can fire projectiles, which would make the timing of the homing attacks crucial so that you won't ram into a fireball.
Sonic 2 added the spindash, Sonic 3 & Knuckles added that insta-shield double jump thing, so it's only natural that Sonic 4 get some kind of new mechanic. I'll hold my judgment on it until the day I play it
Sonic 2 added the spindash, Sonic 3 & Knuckles added that insta-shield double jump thing, so it's only natural that Sonic 4 get some kind of new mechanic. I'll hold my judgment on it until the day I play it
RobbieNick
Junior Member
Who the fuck says they are using homing attacks as bridges? It's most likely being used to find branching paths and harder to reach places up high.
f-castrillo
Neo Member
It's kind of assumed if I'm reading things right. You use homing attacks on a consecutive number of badniks to reach a certain area, hence the term "bridge"RobbieNick said:
RobbieNick
Junior Member
f-castrillo said:
I see what you mean. Sorry if I'm sounding over-defensive.
f-castrillo said:
Sonic 3's was subtle and helpful but not obtrusive, it was optional. Also, Sonic 3 added elemental shields. Sonic 4 does not need to fuck with the formula to much in adding this new mechanic.
I wouldn't mind an air shield that allows for a double jump like the electric shield and also saves you from a bottomless pit (once, of course) if you fall down one.
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