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JP future or US future?
BlazeHedgehog
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So here's a weird Sonic thing, since we're low on discussion material at the moment: the theme song to a Yu-Gi-Oh GBA game sounds an awful lot like Sonic Unleashed's main melody.
That's just a really popular lick/melodic figure.
Sonic music uses it a -lot-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0qBZwvLQFY#t=1m12s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeRmrKloSFQ#t=23s (lol)
But the OCD in me has to point out that Angel Island's melody are a couple of notes off from being the exact same lick (4 1' 4' 3' 1' 5), unlike all the other examples (5 1' 4' 3' 1' 5) incl. the Yu-Gi-OH one. I would posit there's no intentional link there.
There's only so many different possible permutations of music, and music of a certain genre (in this case, Japanese-composed game music) tends to run into even more collisions than a completely random sampling of existing music.
bonus: not the same lick (obviously) but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krDxhnaKD7Q
Given enough time and motivation someone could probably build a similar montage of that exact lick or close matches (so incl. Angel Island) and end up with triple digit instances.
Sonic music uses it a -lot-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0qBZwvLQFY#t=1m12s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeRmrKloSFQ#t=23s (lol)
But the OCD in me has to point out that Angel Island's melody are a couple of notes off from being the exact same lick (4 1' 4' 3' 1' 5), unlike all the other examples (5 1' 4' 3' 1' 5) incl. the Yu-Gi-OH one. I would posit there's no intentional link there.
There's only so many different possible permutations of music, and music of a certain genre (in this case, Japanese-composed game music) tends to run into even more collisions than a completely random sampling of existing music.
bonus: not the same lick (obviously) but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krDxhnaKD7Q
Given enough time and motivation someone could probably build a similar montage of that exact lick or close matches (so incl. Angel Island) and end up with triple digit instances.
I used to be a lot more into the whole "X kinda sounds like Y" stuff, but the way you've been shutting it down in every thread it comes up in the last few years has been pretty eye opening.
That and Hard Times' existence nuking all of the old "Ice Cap is totally this MJ track guys" discussion.
Are there any notable cases of someone making a "kinda sounds like" argument stick in court? I know there's been a lot of successful cases over blatant sampling, but the Ghostbusters/Huey Lewis settlement is the only one I can think of based on stylistic similarity.
It gets even more complicated when lawsuits get involved, since it differs from country to country. (Try suing someone in China for example)
But honestly, except for specific cases, I'm not 'shutting down' the comparisons in the sense that I'm saying there was no intentional link per-se. Most of the time (recently in that FFXIV-powerman 5000 thread, for example) I'm saying that in my professional experience, it could be either way - either the influence is there, or it isn't, because I've seen enough cases (and been the instigator of some) where it is or isn't, and the people declaring with absolute certainty one way or another are talking out their ass. Incidentally, the 'defo copied' crowd also tends to be a lot more vocal/abrasive, for whatever reason.
But honestly, except for specific cases, I'm not 'shutting down' the comparisons in the sense that I'm saying there was no intentional link per-se. Most of the time (recently in that FFXIV-powerman 5000 thread, for example) I'm saying that in my professional experience, it could be either way - either the influence is there, or it isn't, because I've seen enough cases (and been the instigator of some) where it is or isn't, and the people declaring with absolute certainty one way or another are talking out their ass. Incidentally, the 'defo copied' crowd also tends to be a lot more vocal/abrasive, for whatever reason.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
I mean, I'm not exactly a musician, but I dunno, that's a lot longer than just a simple "lick" if you ask me. When I think of a "guitar lick" I think of like a three note thing, not a multi-measure melody.
That being said, I don't think it was an intentional copy. It does go its own way after a certain point, it's just really weird how it nails that one part exactly, which is why I want to know the composer.
That being said, I don't think it was an intentional copy. It does go its own way after a certain point, it's just really weird how it nails that one part exactly, which is why I want to know the composer.
Ahem, A couple things.
1) I just say a very well animated, and very dark and funny animation about sonic and tails, tails being a psychopath.
2) Sonic and Micheal Jackson and Bill Clinton, Eggman and Roosevelt. Inlfuences. Is there any other external human influence for any other sonic characters? Is there any that you think might exist based on things you observed?
1) I just say a very well animated, and very dark and funny animation about sonic and tails, tails being a psychopath.
2) Sonic and Micheal Jackson and Bill Clinton, Eggman and Roosevelt. Inlfuences. Is there any other external human influence for any other sonic characters? Is there any that you think might exist based on things you observed?
BlazeHedgehog
Member
As an artist I can tell you that everything is based on Dragon Ball Z
Everything
Everything
Professor Beef
Banned
Even WW2?
Professor Beef
Banned
whoa hey who said anything about hitler
i was speaking of the good ol' fashioned american hero winston churchill
Professor Beef
Banned
France, naturally
So everything, is based on superman then.
So everything is based of jesus.
Knuckles returned on the sunday like "flexing muscles reverses death"
I think shadow might be based on jordan, to be for real, for real. If you wanna hear that explination.
At some point in the past I was convinced Uekawa based Rouge's design on a popular Latina actress at the time, probably Jennifer Lopez. I remember coming across a written interview where he stated as much, but for the life of me I never found that article again. Maybe it never existed, but something put that idea in my head and it remained there for a while.
Just......why
? Whywhywhywhywhywhywhywhywhy...............
Professor Beef
Banned
I am a creature of instinct, so I didn't have time. But OH MAN, lmao
Professor Beef
Banned
What did they do to my precious Nocturne!?
But seriously this account is pretty amazing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8slIAxEnQ6A
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I'm dying here :').
Nocturnowl
Member
It's a parody account.
Shadow Hog
Member
Yeah, it's not GilvaSunner, it's GiIvaSunner.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Nocturnowl
Member
What a twist, original character do not steal.
It was pokeyman celebration week, cut me some slack.
Luckily for you I'll be shifting again soon, but to what I haven't decided.
maybe your favourite Owl will suffice
Azure Dream
Member
I thought we knew about it already? Even before the Direct leak.
It made me sad when they said "there's a twist", they showed the characters, and it was just "There's an extra event or two we didn't do before." I was wondering if other series were going to guest-start, All-Stars/MK8-style. Or if they were going to actually finally put them together in a platformer for at least a mini-game, or something.
Professor Beef
Banned
I can't believe those villains from Lost World are in the Olympics.
If the Riders birds can make it, anyone can.
Except for all the dead 90's characters.
Mighty: F*** Sega.
Two of the riders birds made it. the big one couldn't fit.
Also I'm totally ok with a lot of those 90's characters gone. Except mighty, might was kinda rad.
" please like these characters"
" No"
Nocturnowl
Member
Yeah but where's Master Zik? the only one who's name I can immediately remember therefore making him the best one.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
Couldn't resist. (From the trailer)
