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Sony CEO Believes PS4 Will be More Profitable Than PS2

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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/sony-ps4-more-profitable-ps2,26867.html

In a corporate strategy meeting, Sony CEO Kaz Hirai showed his confidence in PlayStation 4's performance, to the point where he claims that Sony's newest console can surpass the success that the company's best-selling console—the PlayStation 2—had.

"It is likely that PS4 will become the platform which exceeds the profits earned with PS2," stated Hirai.

The PlayStation 4 has so far sold 7 million units worldwide last year, a far cry from the 155 million units that the PlayStation 2 has sold. However, Hirai's confidence in the PlayStation 4 doesn't mean he believes that the PlayStation 4 is going to outpace the PlayStation 2's unit sales. Rather, the PlayStation 4 has different revenue streams to tap into, such as digital sales.

This is all good news, considering the dismal state that Sony is in. Last year, it lost $1.24 billion USD and the company projects it's going to lose another $500 million USD.

Sounds like Kaz Hirai is betting his CEO position on the PS4..........
 

Kodiak

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well it's selling better than the PS2 in the same time frame, and has way more ways to generate revenue than the PS2, so... yeah.
 

Strike

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They're using a different business model and not incurring huge losses on hardware. It's possible.
 

mohsinkhan

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I would imagine he would say this, I am not saying he is right or wrong. But a CEO of a company wants to put confidence behind their product. I would expect him to say "No its not going to sell as well as the PS2".

They put out a great system, and I think they got games in the pipeline that will undoubtedly help move units.
 

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There are so many more ways to get money out of a system now and there are arguably more gamers now than there were then. This wouldn't surprise me at all, even with the PS2's legendary status.
 

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th4tguy

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Possible because of all of the additional new revenue ops that the ps4 has over the ps2. Ps+, dlc sales, digital market place, etc etc.
 

Kallor

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PS2 wasn't any where near as profitable as it should have been.

If only Sony could hit Wii levels of profit on the ps4.
 

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I doubt it, but then again I have no idea how much they intend to make on these consoles going forward, nor the revenue from PS+.
 

SwiftDeath

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Is that what he said directly or translated?

I got the feeling from another article that he meant it has a good shot to be more profitable than the PS2 and that's it
 

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it certainly wont sell as much as the ps2 with the japanese market, and it seems like the north american is slowing down as well. but i think with some of the extra features and paying for online its possible to be as profitable, we must wait and see though.
 

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Dualshockers released this article over the weekend:

Sony’s Kaz Hirai Details the Future Strategy for PS4 and PlayStation: Promises Mindset Changes and Investment

by Giuseppe Nelva 5/24/14

Sony recently held its corporate strategy meeting in Tokyo, explaining the future moves planned by the publisher to exploit the PlayStation brand and make it as profitable as possible. The company’s CEO Kaz Hirai talked at length about PlayStation 4, PlayStation Plus, PlayStation Now and more.

One of the most interesting points was made during the Q&A Session, as Hirai-san explained that the PSN and PlayStation Plus are going to “grow hugely,” so this year is the right time to invest in building up their infrastructure:

For PlayStation Plus and the PlayStation Network Business in General, but also the video and music businesses and the networking in those areas, the market there is going to grow hugely, but at the same time as we see the growth of the business, we have to be prepared with a solid enough network infrastructure. We have to be able to accommodate the increase in subscribers by having a solid enough network system and infrastructure and therefore we believe that now is the time of investment, so that when we see a growth in subscribers we can still maintain the network business, so this year is the time when we have to invest in infrastructure building.

Hirai-san also mentioned that Sony needs to change its mindset on the business models related to PlayStation in order to offer new experiences:

New Experiences for the user is what we’re always aware of. [...] We’re saying that TV is going to be a totally different TV, and a different dimension. SCE is selling consoles now, but with PlayStation we need to rapidly change that business position, so we need to really transform that mindset. That’s what I tell people and what I tell myself. To change my mindset totally.

It’s worth mentioning that the original speech in Japanese talked about selling consoles and having to buy disks, but the second part was omitted by the English simultaneous translation.

During the opening speech Hirai-san explained the future PlayStation strategy in great detail, even if the numbers provided are the same we already heard in previous releases. Still, he made quite a few relevant points, that you can read in the full transcript below:

This fiscal year we are set to consolidate our leading position in the home console market by further expanding PS4 sales around the world. Following its introduction in North America in November 2013, in 5 months, PS4 has launched in 72 countries and regions achieving cumulative sell-through of 7 million units as of April 6. It’s been a hugely successful launch, but the key to the long term success of the platform lies in how solidly we can continue to grow the installed base. In terms of game titles for PS4, as of April 13, 47 titles had been launched with a total of 20.5 million units being sold via retailers and over the network on the PlayStation Store.

By extracting the best creativity from all of our partners in the game development community, PS4 has dramatically expanded the possibilities of game play. But at the same time, PS4 is also designed to provide the kinds of social experiences via the network that offer users a richer gaming experience than ever before. PS4’s remote play function also allows users to easily enjoy the PS4 experience on their PlayStation Vita, expanding the PS4 gaming experience beyond your living room, and making it available anytime, anywhere. From a profitability perspective, PS4 is also already contributing profit on a hardware unit basis, establishing a very different business framework from that of previous platform businesses.

The network functions that are possible with PS4 continue to evolve by the day.

Approximately half of PS4 users are registered to the PlayStation Plus subscription service, while the number of active users on the PlayStation Network and Sony Entertainment Network exceeds 52 million worldwide. Many of our users now enjoy an array of game, music and video content via the network. And our PlayStation App for smartphones and tablets that lets players share their PS4 experience to their mobile devices, is also proving hugely popular, with the total number of downloads already exceeding 4.5 million. Sales from our network business including game, music and video services exceeded 200 billion yen in fiscal 2013, and we intend to further expand that figure going forward.

When I was telling you about our entertainment business earlier, I said that the shift in digital content delivery from downloads to streaming is only going to accelerate. In the case of game content, the data format is completely different from movies and other video content, so there needed to be a technological revolution before we could switch from distributing game content via downloads to streaming. But starting this summer, we will begin distributing PS3 games via streaming to our users in the U.S. on an open beta version of our new PlayStation Now streaming service, first for PS4 and then PS Vita. And that’s just the first step. Going forward, we will use streaming to deliver the PlayStation experience worldwide. We also plan to make PlayStation Now compatible with new “BRAVIA” LCD TVs to be launched in the U.S. market this year. And in the future, we intend to extend its availability to a wide range of networked devices.

So, as you can see, in the Game and Network business we are set to secure even greater sources of profit by further expanding our content, software and network services on the firm foundation of a platform business that continues to generate stable profit itself, and offer our customers even more new and exciting entertainment experiences. This year marks the 20th anniversary of PlayStation. The PS2 platform was the biggest success until now in terms of profit, but I believe that PS4’s hardware, software and services have the potential to combine and develop into a platform capable of generating even greater profit.
We’ll have to see if Sony will manage to turn its game business into a fully profitable self-sufficient entity, but I can’t help hoping that they won’t change their mindset from selling consoles and disc-based games too radically. PlayStation Now has potential and it’s a great accessory to the PlayStation brand, but I personally can’t see it becomeing the “main” PlayStation business, at least not for a long time.

It’s also interesting to see that Hirai-san intends to invest in strengthening the network infrastructure despite the company’s financial losses. If anyone had any doubt on Sony’s ability to expand and invest, this should tell them that the Japanese giant is more solid than some would like us to believe.

This is what thread subject should've been about.
 

Dragonborn

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That doesn't mean they expect it to do PS2 numbers, it just means they expect to make more profit off of it which makes sense
 

ColiBreh1

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It's gonna be 400$ for a long time.






Ummmmm.........No:
Chief Executive Kazuo Hirai said on Monday that while Sony's flagship electronics division would put profit before sales volume as it tries to pull out of the red, games would be an exception as the company expands its reach in networks.

"We have to rigorously pursue install-base numbers," Hirai told a meeting with reporters at Sony's headquarters.


"The biggest driver for our network business will be the PlayStation 4," he said, adding that the network business, where sales jumped 70 percent in the year to March to 200 billion yen ($1.96 billion), would in turn be a key growth driver for the company as a whole.

Sony's network services have 52 million active users, most of whom own PlayStations, which come packaged with online content services and apps to watch movies or listen to music on demand.

More at: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/26/us-sony-restructuring-idUSBREA4P05O20140526


Essentially like spwolf said in another thread, Sony will be aggressive on PS4 sales, to push their network services like PSN/Videos/Music/PSNow... $2 billion is also pretty big and it will probably rise up a lot this year too...
 

mohsinkhan

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Where are the expenses. There are none. Xbox live psn+ are pure profit.

No they are not. Just one cost is the games included with PS+, Sony pays for those. Another is server maintenance, and the cost associated with the employees running the services, from the call center to the senior engineers building the services. Both services are far from pure profit, of course both companies are making money from them.
 

Colonel Nasty

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Ummmmm.........No:



Essentially what spwolf said in another thread, Sony will be aggressive on PS4 sales, to push their network services like PSN/Videos/Music/PSNow... $2 billion is also pretty big and it will probably rise up a lot this year too...

There's still a version of the 360 at 400$ 8+ years lately. It won't be the exact package of the PS4 as we know but they are in no hurry to drop the price.
 

BoboBrazil

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Where are the expenses. There are none. Xbox live psn+ are pure profit.

How do you think Sony gets those "free" games to you on PS+? As a corporation I believe they should add the mutiplayer paywall to PS3 also. That would be an instant boost of revenue to their bottom line. Xbox Live was pretty much mostly profit to Microsoft though. They added value by adding restrictions.
 

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No they are not. Just one cost is the games included with PS+, Sony pays for those. Another is server maintenance, and the cost associated with the employees running the services, from the call center to the senior engineers building the services. Both services are far from pure profit, of course both companies are making money from them.
This is where our opinions change. A game cost at most 5 million. That is revenue if the game makes it to 500,000. Which is highly unlikely. 12 games that is 60 million at most. Hell if they are paying me 20 million which is if my game will do 2 million, I'll do it quicker than you could say Jesus
 

mohsinkhan

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Those are different services than psn+. I am not talking about psn now or ps4 other services. Psn+ has very little expenses

No those are included under the PS+ umbrealla. PS+ Server maintenance, for example, are costs generated due to PS+ and its existence. Of course they are making money off of the service, but they are investing dollars back into the infrastructure as well. Sure, the creation of PS+ and its associated services have created a revenue stream, which has a profit stream, but its not all profit (not by a long shot).
 

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He is actually right this time. Emerging markets into China that MIGHT be developed in a decade. The PS4 being easy to develop for with all those social features that you can choose to have. The system in 5 years is going to be tiny and easily made into a digital only device as well as what we have now. I fully think in the end the PS4 will be twice as profitable or somewhere around there at least. This machine is going to choo choo imho. Easily has longer legs than any other console. The PS3 is too damn limited to do much. The PS4 is the opposite. As long as they have the games and the marketing it will sing.
 

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How much profit did the PS2 end up making over the course of its lifetime? I was under the impression it didn't make much profit and that the PS3 ate up all the profit that it did make.