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Sony CEO dismisses price cut chatter on PlayStation
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Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
Averon said:
If they jacked up the price for the PSP Go, a version of the PSP with less features than the PSP 3000, then why wouldn't do it for the PS3 Slim?
Azure Dream
Member
JoJo13 said:
Flash memory is trivial (or replaced by a memory stick), and I don't think the PS2 went up in price when it first started slimming down...
It actually has slightly better internals, supposedly, but it's not clear why yet. Extra firmware feature overhead maybe.
You people really think Sony is going to have a single $449.99 sku after all the grief they've gone through with $400+ pricing already? Doubtful. Now, if Sony continues to make a fat PS3 and sell it cheaper ($349 or so) then a $449 Slim make a little bit of sense. But seeing that they already are losing money on the current PS3s, and lowering the prices will only exacerbate the losses, I find that scenario highly unlikely.
charlequin
Banned
idahoblue said:
Because they're bribing retailers with a big-ass margin in order to get them to carry it.
Tobor said:
If by that statement you mean "make use of a factually accurate argument that some people are not fond of," then yes, probably.
permutated said:
I hate to sound like an elitist or something, but I can't wait until the price comes down for you and indeed everyone else on the fence. The single biggest issue the PS3 has right now is just that it's too fucking expensive. The games are there (in droves), the hardware reliability is there (counter to Sony's other consoles), it simply needs to be cheaper. I firmly believe that once that happens and people can actually afford to give the system a shot, they'll see what those of us who dropped a shitton of money already know: the PS3 is great.
Unfortunately, that greatness is utterly out of reach for most people, and that's not only understandable, it's bloody frustrating.
charlequin said:
You're completely incapable of judging value on anything other than what you want in a product. That's ok, we can't all grasp the bigger picture.
There's nothing factual at all about that statement, it's an opinion, and a biased one. AS much as I hate the UMD drive, I'm glad it's still on the market for people who still want one. It's the principle of understanding a product's position and purpose, even if you don't personally want one.
Zhuk said:
your inference is wrong, look at the end of the sentence. "how's that for logic?". the editor probably added the "would" to adjust the sentence to take into account context that was left out in the article. for example he probably said something like "he says it would be logical for me to lower price on the ps3. if i lower the price, i lose money on every ps3 i make. how's that for logic?"
i'd really find it hard to believe that sony is still losing money on ps3 at $400. its a blue ray drive, an old gimped cell, an old graphics chip, a little memory, and a small hard drive. there is no way that costs them more than $400 to manufacture.
diddlyD said:
Sony's CFO said in May that the PS3 costs 10% more to produce than they sell it for, therefore my inference was correct and yours is wrong
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/05/15/sony_ps3_profitability/
AdventureRacing
Member
diddlyD said:
Shouldn't the division be doing better than?
They make money off the software for PS3
They make money off the hardware/software for PS2 and PSP
If they make money off PS3 hardware shouldn't their games division be turning a healthy profit?
xbhaskarx said:
I don't know, but I certainly fell for it. I'm tired of having this same stupid argument over and over again, yet I keep right on doing it.
OuterWorldVoice said:
The UMD does not serve a valuable purpose for me or for anyone who would be in the market for a Go. If it is for him, then great. All I'm saying is, I'm tired of people saying the UMD is a valuable feature all the time for every user, that's not the case. And now I'm talking about it again. Arggh.
/logs off for the night
Tobor said:
Being able to play physical and digital media on a machine with a larger screen is a more feature rich machine than one that only plays digital media on a smaller screen.
Commanding a significantly higher price point for a machine that does less considering that its costs of manufacture would be comparable or cheaper is what the issue is with many in the industry and with consumers.
If someone said that the Go! would cost more than a 3000 before E3 I would haven't believed it, and I am guessing SonyGAF wouldn't have either.
The Go! needs to be cheaper.
UntoldDreams
Member
PSP Go has Bluetooth and has been stated by Sony during some offhanded interview that they would like to be able to tether to your cell phone for internet access using Bluetooth.
** That is a powerful feature with great potential and if that works that alone would make it the best version of the PSP
** That is a powerful feature with great potential and if that works that alone would make it the best version of the PSP
Opus Angelorum
Member
Tobor said:
Understanding a product's position and purpose is one thing, perceived value is entirely different and not in any way related.
The device has to justify it's cost to the consumer, simple as that. The PSP Go! does not (especially for those of us in Europe).
Woo-Fu
Banned
The Go! needs to be whatever price Sony wants it to be. People who don't like it can always buy a regular PSP.Zhuk said:
You are acting like there are a 100million consumers out there just dying to play PSP games who are unwilling to do so on a PSP-3000, but would happily fork over the same amount of money to play those games on the Go.
PSP Go threads make a lot more sense after s/the go! needs to be/I want it to be/g.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Of course they are going to deny a price drop. If everyone knew they were dropping the price soon, who would buy a PS3 that knew the inevitable was coming? Also, I think a price increase on the PS3 Slim is plausible. I think it is going to be $400, but it really wouldn't surprise me if the PS3 Slim was $450 at launch.
Azure Dream
Member
spwolf said:
Retail prices != Sony's costs, not to mention they can produce both of those things themselves anyway. :lol
Azure Dream
Member
M°°nblade said:
They won't really co-exist no matter what they say, whichever model performs better, they phase out the other one. If the Go is received well, Sony drops the "old bulky model." If the Go flops, Sony talks about how consumers love the good ol' standby PSP and physical media and carries on with that. They're more likely to stick with the Go, but if the retailer pushback is strong enough, they may decide it's not worth the battle.
It make some sense for Sony to think profits on hardware first. There's absolutely no evidence that dropping the price would give them back a lot of market shares. They are in a difficult situation, I guess they'll try everything to support the PS3 without loosing too much money on it. I'm eager to see how PS4 will be (I don't say it'll happen soon, but I think they will developp it quite differently from PS3, in a far more cost-effective way).
Why is there a need to choose ? GBA SP and Micro managed to co-exist, the market were different enough. I hope PSP 3k will stay, though, if that means that Go should die, it's fine for me.Kulock said:
You are and I'm too with my japanese 20GB, it seems. There's two different kind of original PS3, one being loud, the other far quieter.Snipes424 said:
makingmusic476
Member
They need to jack up the price of the Go because otherwise retailers would have no reason to stock it. Normally money is made by retailers on games (and accessories). They wouldn't have sales of either new or used games with the Go.laserbeam said:
With the ps3, things are different. Retailers aren't begging Sony for higher margins. In fact, both retailers and publishers are begging Sony for a price drop, just so they can start moving some units.
PSP Go = retailers want a higher price so they can actually make money
PS3 Slim = retailers (and everybody else) want a lower price so they can finally move some units
Paracelsus
Member
They must think it is really their last "wait for" if they're denying it so fiercely.
a Master Ninja said:
It wouldn't surprise me if the recent PS3 licensed 3rd party peripheral logo was one of the major factors for the noise that Activision has been making recently. Maybe Activision wants the logo to sell its crappy skating / music devices but is pissed by the price, or terms such as interoperability with similar kinds of games etc.
HocusPocus
Member
That's interesting. I think consumers have dismissed the price of the PlayStation 3. Funny how that works.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
Isn't denial a sign that it's not going to happen while no comment usually means it will?
ICallItFutile said:
I don't think you can read anything into comments about pricing before it happens. Sony has denied and no-commented rumours about price-cuts until they were blue in the face before previous cuts. Uncertainty about the prospects of a pricecut do Sony no harm in terms of keeping stock moving for now.
As for Go pricing as it relates to slim..I'd figured the premium on Go was helping SCE's bean counters justify a PS3 pricecut. But maybe that's just an optimistic take on the situation
What wouldn't surprise me is if Slim isn't cheaper..but if there isn't a PS3 (e.g. the 80GBs) that is cheaper this year I would be surprised.gofreak said:As for Go pricing as it relates to slim..I'd figured the premium on Go was helping SCE's bean counters justify a PS3 pricecut. But maybe that's just an optimistic take on the situation
here we ago again - you have to understand that Slim will be cheaper to produce than 80 GB for SCE. So they can not lower the price of 80 GB more than price of Slim, they will lose more money
.So 80 GB will simply go away, and Slim will replace it.
spwolf said:here we ago again - you have to understand that Slim will be cheaper to produce than 80 GB for SCE. So they can not lower the price of 80 GB more than price of Slim, they will lose more money
So 80 GB will simply go away, and Slim will replace it.
That'd be ideal, but I just have a sneaking suspicion that there'll be too much 80GB inventory to eat through. Hence it would get the price cut.
To put it a slightly more neutral way.. I'll be surprised if you can't get a PS3 for an official RRP of under $399 this Xmas. Whether that PS3 will be a 80GB or a Slim, I don't know. But I would be very surprised if there's no movement on price for a second holiday season in a row.
Rollo Lawson
Banned
none of this board room talk should even be public. these guys are worse than rappers
DeaconKnowledge
Member
It's always darkest before the dawn; everyone shuts up before a price drop. Still expecting it.
HK-47 said:
Retailers need a pretty big incentive to carry that. Obviously, they won't directly make money off software. They also have their employees teach customers the difference between the GO and previous models, especially the fact it won't play "UMD tapes."
Anyway, I'm expecting to get as big of a margin on the PS3 Slim as possible. SCE is under a lot of pressure to perform well through the PSP re-vitalization campaign and making the PS3 sell a whole lot more. They already have enough problems with the yen going haywire and the loss of easy PS2 money.