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Sony Clarifies Mark Cerny's Role With The Last Guardian
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paradise_circus
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Cerny had the same credit for God of War 3 Uncharted and many other games too
Corpsepyre
Banned
Can't wait for the game. Should make 2016 too. 
Also, are the gameplay mechanics clear to anyone? Is it co-op or you just control the kid?
Also, are the gameplay mechanics clear to anyone? Is it co-op or you just control the kid?
I actually agree with you. But maybe its just some tricks on the ps3 version with the darkness making it look way better. The ps4 version looks washed out to me.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Can't wait for the game. Should make 2016 too.
Also, are the gameplay mechanics clear to anyone? Is it co-op or you just control the kid?
You control the kid, Trico is 100% A.I.
Always-honest
Banned
I've seen that they added stuff. There were screenshots comparing. But i think it will stay true to the art direction. I'm fine with that. Game now gets to look like it should
Corpsepyre
Banned
Oh, I thought there would be sections where we would be controlling the beast as well. Hmm, I see. Think there will be more to the gameplay than just platforming though?
Always-honest
Banned
People hoping the hame would suddenly look completely different.
Ofcourse youtube is the base reference, like always.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
IIRC those devs worked only on TLG not ICO and SoTC.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Check out Ico, replace the girl with the giant creature. I think you will have a better understanding of how the game works.
Handy Fake
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169102243&postcount=1156
Think this needs to be popped in here.
Think this needs to be popped in here.
SprachBrooks
Member
Is this why they had so many technical issues initially? Due to the A.I. of Trico?
Also I hope the control are actually good in this game as opposed to his previous two.
Most likely. We still don't know how the combat from the 2009 trailer will works, or how we'll interact with Trico while it's flying, etc...
Nightengale
Member
Eh, it's misleading. He's the president of the company, but he's just one employee out of an unknown quantity.
That includes Fumito Ueda, founder of the studio.
SprachBrooks
Member
Seriously? Grow up.
That's my guess as well. Shadow Of Colossus works because they moves and react slowly, Trico requires an instantaneous reactions. Trying to eliminate the jerky animations transitions alone will be a nightmare.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Actually the Team ICO games were very advanced for their time at release. Ico's cloth physics for instance.Grimløck;169145183 said:
People who're saying that the game "doesn't look next gen enough" really need to read this.
More gifs because shit I love the animation in this game.
The way different parts of the boy's body bob up and down make me think this is partially affected by inverse kinematics almost.
Trico is easily the best animated creature in all of gaming if not just flat out the best animated character full-stop. Never seen such natural expression of fear in a game character.
The stretch, the tension in his muscles, dem feathers.
The way it moves and reacts reminds me so much of my dog I swear.
No, that its name. The japanese title of the game is "Trico, the Man-eating Eagle"
This game is doing a shit ton of things that the ps3 couldn't handle, like the movement of the bird's feathers as well as any foliage. At a higher IQ at that, and as others mentioned, the AI of Trico itself seems to be very complex.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Funny, there were some posters a few weeks back claiming Ueda had stopped any work on The Last Guardian some years ago. Turns out that was a load of tosh.
Handy Fake
Member
I can't stop looking at the way he turns in the last .gif.
And how terrified he looks in the first Trico one.
Gah. GAH.
Nightengale
Member
Like most misinformation, it probably comes from false assumptions of quotes taken out of context.
I think that it was pretty obvious that when the game had to be transitioned from PS3->PS4, Ueda's contributions to the project were significantly impacted because he ended up have to do creative contributions without actually having a build of the game to work with.
So, it's absolutely no surprise that he could've finished his creative contribution... at that point of time until the PS3->PS4 reengineering was completed, and he could restart his work on TLG in a tangible manner, and not just level design with pen/paper.
Not to mention that if Japan Studio was largely focused on Knack/Puppeteer at that point of time, he's constrained by the fact that the development studio's resources are taken up by other games, and he don't have enough hands on-deck to actually... you know, build levels and assets for the game.
Too little level-headeness, too much blind assumptions.
You're both right in a way. They were powerhouses but did to the details of the characters and not the world necessarily. SotC was very barren and so was the castle in Ico, and the detail came from things like the ai (agro more than yorda but whatever) and cloth physics/character animation/lighting and collision /fur on the colossus. The next iteration of these systems is clearly seen here in a much more advanced form. So people claiming downgrades or saying it looks like a ps3 game are out of their mind if the team and creator specially said they couldn't run it on that platform.
Silent Chief
Member
Unlikely. For a Japanese dev, it's either 3DS or PS4/Vita.
At any rate, those guys are known as the Olympic team and they couldn't even produce a game every 4th year.
KimonoNoNo
Member
It's not only just Trico's animation, but also the background details that impress. There's so much physics simulation going on on-top of all the sophisticated A.I, I can well believe that it would be impossible to achieve that on a Ps3.
People are mistaking art-style for technical aspects gleaned from shitty streams.
Handy Fake
Member
Finally got around to downloading and watching the HQ video from Gamersyde.
Little bit emotional here, ha. The music swelling, Trico, the happy whimper he gives at the end... Bah.
Oh completely. I'm having difficulty seeing all this PS3 nonsense, especially after watching the HQ video.
Little bit emotional here, ha. The music swelling, Trico, the happy whimper he gives at the end... Bah.
Oh completely. I'm having difficulty seeing all this PS3 nonsense, especially after watching the HQ video.
Nightengale
Member
Unless this is just for TLG, they're also... probably just a creative design studio, not unlike Mistwalker.
Which means that their "ideas" probably needs some publisher funding + code monkeys to actually be developed.
If Sony chooses to continue working with Ueda post-TLG, it's probably a good move. This way, Sony can tell Ueda "finish your design documents first, then we'll talk development" rather than just letting Ueda take up internal resources at his own pace.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Yea, Ueda came into the industry as an animator, and it so clearly shows. One of the least common things we see in games is characters actually holding hands during gameplay. And he was able to build a game with that as one of the main gameplay features. His team is so next level in terms of character animation. As well as storytelling without relying on cutscenes. literally whenever I need an example of amazing visual storytelling in games, I don't choose the last of us, or journey, it's always a team ico game.
Breakfast at Noon
Member
personally it can look like a ps2 game for all i care, i just want the game
and art style aside it really, really does not look like a last gen game.
and art style aside it really, really does not look like a last gen game.
They're now in the process of hiring a bunch of people; modellers, programmers, animators and technical artists.
Also, in a new interview with Japanese media Ueda confirmed we'll see the monster growing both in form and in behaviour. Apart from the boy, the monster and the soldiers there could be other characters in the game but he wants to keep that a secret for now. Toriko will never be completely tamed. It's a ferocious beast at its heart. We'll see that side of it when defending the boy from the soldiers scattered among the ruins.
The game seems unchanged from the 2009 original. Only the technical aspect of it has evolved.
He never was "in Sony". He just works with them.
Orakio Rob
Member
I know Mark has a history in gaming, but the man is on fire now. I hope Sony keeps treating him like a king.
One, people should download the high quality video from Gameryside. Game looks absolutely gorgeous, streaming quality doesn't do it justice.
Two, people should take a look at how the game looked like on the PS3 back in 2010. Super fuzzy, dirty, blurry, horribly jagged shadows and vegetation, used dithering instead of true transparencies. All of this is gone in the PS4 game. IQ is pristine. And the framerate was sped up in these trailers, by all accounts in ran terribly, and you can see that in the videos that came with the ICO/SotC collection.
And three, obviously both versions of the game resemble each other since they're still the same game and share the same aesthetic and art design, but it's not just performance and image quality upgrades that are in play here.
Trico has many more feathers, all of them animate, has more whiskers, more fur. It's a much more accomplished character model.
The game also has better lighting, shadowing and is using SSAO. People already posted my gifs, but really in motion this thing is absolutely outstanding.
Two, people should take a look at how the game looked like on the PS3 back in 2010. Super fuzzy, dirty, blurry, horribly jagged shadows and vegetation, used dithering instead of true transparencies. All of this is gone in the PS4 game. IQ is pristine. And the framerate was sped up in these trailers, by all accounts in ran terribly, and you can see that in the videos that came with the ICO/SotC collection.
And three, obviously both versions of the game resemble each other since they're still the same game and share the same aesthetic and art design, but it's not just performance and image quality upgrades that are in play here.
Trico has many more feathers, all of them animate, has more whiskers, more fur. It's a much more accomplished character model.
The game also has better lighting, shadowing and is using SSAO. People already posted my gifs, but really in motion this thing is absolutely outstanding.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
The game looks amazing anyways, especially in motion with the crazy animations.
And the player is controlling the boy while Trico is doing all of that. They're holding on and climbing up while he spins and turns and runs and jumps. It's nuts balls.One, people should download the high quality video from Gameryside. Game looks absolutely gorgeous, streaming quality doesn't do it justice.
Two, people should take a look at how the game looked like on the PS3 back in 2010. Super fuzzy, dirty, blurry, horribly jagged shadows and vegetation, used dithering instead of true transparencies. All of this is gone in the PS3 game. IQ is pristine. And the framerate was sped up in these trailers, by all accounts in ran terribly, and you can see that in the videos that came with the ICO/SotC collection.
And three, obviously both versions of the game resemble each other since they're still the same game and share the same aesthetic and art design, but it's not just performance and image quality upgrades that are in play here.
Trico has many more feathers, all of them animate, has more whiskers, more fur. It's a much more accomplished character model.
The game also has better lighting, shadowing and is using SSAO. People already posted my gifs, but really in motion this thing is absolutely outstanding.
DeadlyVirus
Member
The Last Guardian: PS+ Edition.
There, I said it
There, I said it
Current gen.
His "company" CernyGames has been around since the late 90s. And CernyGames is just Mark himself.
Bomb-Threat
Banned
The evil genius
Nightengale
Member
Yeah, he's basically a full-time external consultant for Sony.
Wow. Your excellent and well-thought out arguments have convinced me that I was wrong.
Why don't you try reading the post that you are quoting?Grimløck;169146823 said:
The people developing The Last Guardian are capable of much more than Yooka-Laylee people. The reason why I expected better graphics is because the PS3 version looked VERY good. I expected that to stay true with the PS4 version. I am finding it strange that people here are acting as the graphics cannot be improved because this is "Ueda's vision", as if they know what that means. As far as I am concerned, his original vision was a game with some of the best graphics on its hardware. Also, team size is clearly irrelevant, just look at The Tomorrow Children.
Is that all?
dr_rus
Member
Yeah, this trick is called the absence of global illumination on PS3.