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Sony Controller to Be Named "Move." Bye bye Gem? truly outrageous
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Lonely1 said:
I guess...but you could pretty much do the same with a button toggle on the Arc. Hold button and move to control camera, release to point and shoot. Maybe not as ideal but in the context you're talking about - discrete camera and shooting control in a TPS - it'd work...I think...
Anyway, I'll just get sad thinking about UC2 with it. Since apparently they won't be patching in support.
bernardobri said:Man, why they have to put so many interesting panels at the same time? I will have to divide in two so I can go to Amy Henning's panel and this one
You should go to Amy Hennig's, anything interesting from the controller panel will be up on the internet within minutes.
anonymousAversa
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Sentry said:
yeah, its in one of the earlier pages, some people discussed it
Trailblaster
Banned
TTP said:
Most likely.
I also wonder how much the whole thing could cost. If Sony approaches Arc like a new hardware platform and not just as an accessory. They 'could' sell it at cost or very small profit and still offer it at a reasonable price.
Sony's and Nintendo's motion controlers both come in three parts.
Nintendo: Wiimote + Sensor bar + optional nunchuck.
Sony: Arc + PSeye + optional Dualshock/PSnunchuck.
On the surface Sony's motion control solution seem very costly, But that may or maynot be the case.
The wiimote is probably the most costly part of Nintendo's setup mosty due to the camera inside the Wiimote, while Arc should be the cheapest part of Sony's setup. Arc and the Wiimote both use blutooth, tilt sensors, gyro's and a rumble motor. Besides the LED light and ball the Arc should cost less to manufactor then a standard DS3. Although the Arc should be cheaper to produce then a Wiimote, If Sony want it to catch on they can't afford to sell it at a huge profit like Nintendo dose the Wiimote.
The Wii's sensor bar seems to be just an array of LED lights and seems to be the lest costly of Nintnedo setup. Where as the PSeye could be the most exspensive. Sony currently sells the PSeye at nice mark up for the sake of profit. But just like the Arc, Sony should ether cut the price or Bundle the Eye+Arc and sell it at cost if they want it to succeed.
Every PS3 owner has to have at lest one DS3 or sixaxis. While allowing players to hold a standard controller in one hand may not seem like the most elegant solution it allows for a cheap one. The Wii use a very cheap wired nunchuck while a Sony nunchuck would most likely have to be a bluetooth device making it a lot more exspensive.
My guess is Sony will sell the Arc and PSeye bundled for or near cost, while selling an optional nunchuck device at a nice profit.
Arc = $34.99
Playstation Eye = $39.99
Arc+PSeye+ Minigame collection = 59.99
PS Nunchuck = 29.99
But i guess we'll know for sure at E3
Septimus said:
For development purposes it'll be 'standard' without them having to pack it in. A developer can make a game supporting Arc + nunchuck knowing everyone can at least use a DS3 as a nunchuck.
It'd be great if Sony packed it in with every Arc without a increase in price, but I don't think that's likely. If it were to increase the price that could have its own negative effects.
I don't think so. The Arc has the same number of gyro's and acc.meters as a Wiimote + Motionplus combined. The Arc also has a rechargeable battery. I'm not sure if there's much difference in pricing between a multi-led (& multicolor) sphere compared to a monochrome camera either to begin with.Trailblaster said:
I think they can pack it all in for a reasonable price, definitely below $100 for the PS Eye, Arc and nunchuck. I hope a single Arc costs less than $40 though.Trailblaster said:
Why? If the nunchuck and the DS3 serve the same purpose and can function the same why not make it optional?Septimus said:
Some people will be fine using their DS3 if it means saving a decent amount of money..
SolidSnakex
Member
Sentry said:
Because that's not going to work for most people. The DS3 isn't a controller that was made to be held in one hand. Yes, you can do it if you have to, but it wasn't designed to be played like that. Put it like this, if the Arc ships without that nunchuk then it's DOA.
CrayzeeCarl
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If the nunchuck is indeed wireless, does this mean it will be impossible to have 4-player games using the wand + nunchuck (bluetooth is limited to 8 devices, including the host, so the max # of "controllers" is 7)?
Do you think 4-player games will be limited to arc-only (no nunchuck) or will Sony use some custom wireless interface to connect each arc to its nunchuck, thus only needing 4 "slots" for four arc+nunchucks?
Can the PSEye even handle four arc inputs at once?
Is it even practical to have four people playing an arc-game at the same time?
Do you think 4-player games will be limited to arc-only (no nunchuck) or will Sony use some custom wireless interface to connect each arc to its nunchuck, thus only needing 4 "slots" for four arc+nunchucks?
Can the PSEye even handle four arc inputs at once?
Is it even practical to have four people playing an arc-game at the same time?
Of course they will ship together, come on. If a nunchuck exists there is no way they won't come in a bundle option, what i'm saying is also sell the Arc standalone for people who wouldn't mind using the SXIXAXIS/DS3. There are people out there who can use it just fine like that. If I have to spend $50-60 on that bundle when I could rather spend $30-40, why not?SolidSnakex said:
drakesfortune
Directions: Pull String For Uninformed Rant
The only thing I care about is if it has an analog stick on it. If not, will not buy.
The processing load for 4 arcs with the camera won't be an issue. I'm sure they've budgetted for at least 4 simultaneously.
The bluetooth question in an interesting one. I guess they could make the arc itself a seperate bluetooth hub...so that the nunchuck could talk to the Arc, and then it relays everything to the console. But that may raise its own problems.
I imagine most Arc local multiplayer games (e.g. of the party/'family' variety) will just use the Arc anyway though...
The bluetooth question in an interesting one. I guess they could make the arc itself a seperate bluetooth hub...so that the nunchuck could talk to the Arc, and then it relays everything to the console. But that may raise its own problems.
I imagine most Arc local multiplayer games (e.g. of the party/'family' variety) will just use the Arc anyway though...
backbreaker65
Banned
Gem-n-Eye pronounced gemini. I think gemini is for twin or two.
OK for people who are saying The Arc remote should have an option to be used with one half of a DualShock3 or a Nunchuck. Is the dualshock trackable like a wiimote Nunchuck. As I want the Arc Nunchuck to have its own motion controls, for example I want to play a sword and sheild character and use the Nunchuck as a sheild (see sony tech demo of guy demoing with 2 Arc remotes). So if the Nunchuck can be replaced with one half of a DuaslShock3 then the chances of motion controls for the Nunchuck would be zero, it would be great if the Nunchuck had it's own disco ball (similar to Arc remote) for tracking.
So to conclude, forget about having an option to use one half of DS3 controller as a Nunchuck, and release a Nunchuck which has the same motion capabilities as the Arc remote for even crazier controls (e.g dual wield and etc).
So to conclude, forget about having an option to use one half of DS3 controller as a Nunchuck, and release a Nunchuck which has the same motion capabilities as the Arc remote for even crazier controls (e.g dual wield and etc).
KAL2006 said:
A DS3 has all the motion sensing capability of a wii nunchuck (if not a bit better perhaps - i vaguely recall some people saying its sensors are better). So any official wireless nunchuck would have the same.
This isn't the same ability that the Arc (or wiimote) has, though. The wii nunchuck and DS3 motion capabilities are based purely on internal motion sensors.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I think his point was that you aren't going to be holding a DS3 in one hand and swinging it around, so if using the DS3 is an optional controller method, the Sony 'nunchucks' motion controls won't be utilized very much.gofreak said:
Of course the wii nunchuck has pretty bad motion detection and is not usable for much more than detecting that the nunchuck is being shuck in some kind of indeterminate direction, it certainly isn't good enough for position tracking.
Dr Frasier Crane
Member
cakefoo said:
Me too.
Quizzed my friend over the weekend (and trying to get some pictures, fingers crossed).
He seems to say that the nunchuk had L1 and L2 triggers and a full either d-pad or array of 4 buttons, he wasn't massively clear. The PSDildo had two or four buttons on top and a trigger underneath that was just called T, plus love nubbin on top. I should make sure I quiz people before we start drinking.
I'm working on getting some pictures so we'll see, then I'll clear it up. Apparently it is massively accurate.
[Edit] Also if websites trawling GAF for info desperately need those hits, just leave my name out of it. We know who you are...
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
gofreak said:
I think that the Wii Remote (and Nunchuck too... I think) has only a 3-axis accelerometer chip while the Sixaxis also uses a one axis gyroscope sensor on top of the accelerometers.
(so, basically...)
Wii Remote: 3-axis accelerometer sensor
SIXAXIS and DS3: 3-axis accelerometer sensor + 1-axis gyroscope sensor
Wii Motion+ (add-on only): 3-axis gyroscope sensor
PS Wand/ARC: 3-axis accelerometer sensor + 3-axis gyroscope sensor
BurritoBushido
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Why are people shitting on the name. I think its pretty good. Stupid internet fanboys think shitting on everything is the way to be cool on the internet!
So, haters, what would you guys call it?
So, haters, what would you guys call it?
MightyHedgehog
Member
Playstation 3-mote or Threemote or Zmote. Arc, Gem...both stupid-sounding names that smell desperate to copy the one-syllable Wii. Then again, I disliked the name, Wii, at first, too. No name would see unanimous love, so it's gonna be how well the marketing pushes it. For the record, I thought that Playstation was a stupid-sounding name, fitting a Playskool product more than a game console when news of it was first broken in gaming mags oh so long ago. I pretty much dislike or am indifferent to every new name for every console, actually. It's only through positive association with games I like and other elements exclusive to the console that I quickly get past the name and even grow to like it.BurritoBushido said:
Dr Frasier Crane
Member
SSJ1Goku said:
Shining Pink Dome of Joy?
Spherical Love Talisman?
Circular Magenta Orb of Destiny?
The blob on top?
MikeE21286
Member
MightyHedgehog said:
seriously, these names? Those are all exponentially worse than Arc
I have no names of my own to add
anonymousAversa
Member
Sentry said:
not to derail, but when does GDC start?
KAL2006 said:
OK to make it more clear of what I'm going on about. Here is a tech demo
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVabmjJUAiQ
In this video you can see the person is controling an avatar, using motion controls for Sword and Sheild. Both Sqord and Sheild are tracked by a Arc remote on each hand. But if there left Arc remote is replaced with a nunchuck, then the sheild wont be tracked properly. Note please dont say "then use 2 Arc remotes like the person on the demo", as that would mean we need to buy 2 arc remotes and also the lack of analog on the Arc remotes means the games will be simple and linear like the tech demo. So in conclusion, we need a Nunchuck with he same capabilities as the Arc remote to have game with tracking of a sword and shield, but at the same time have the freedom to move the avatar using the analog on the Nunchuck.
Not sure if new (it's today's article anyway) but there you go
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-console-lag-round-two-article
Disclaimer: no, they don't have the Arc in the office and neither have actually tested it first hand.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-console-lag-round-two-article
Disclaimer: no, they don't have the Arc in the office and neither have actually tested it first hand.
TTP said:
I find it interesting that Mesmerise lag measures in at 'only' 100-133ms - to me it's quite noticeable, VERY noticeable, at least in some of the demos (I can't honestly recall about the one in their video). In Flare, the lag feels pretty awful.
I really don't think any relationship can be made with Arc though. The processing, the modes used etc. are going to be totally different (and hopefully, in what they do, a f- ton more optimised than the mesmerise stuff). The lower level details about the camera are nice to know, if expectable, though.
I wonder if Arc will use 320x240 @ 120hz or 640x480 at 60hz. One might think that the tradeoff from that big bulb might have been the opportunity to bump down to a lower resolution with faster sampling :lol
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Wrath2X said:
Phew, and there I was thinking we'd have to wait until we have any details about the product before we could make such cretinous and unqualified comments. Cheers man!
gofreak said:
It depends on how they are using the PSEye. If it is only used for sync'ing absolute positioning with the Arc controller's relative positioning, then the lag only tells us how often they can recalibrate the position.
The actual motion tracking will be performed by the internal sensors for say, gesture recognition. Those sensors should be much faster (as in your algo can get more intermediate raw data).
If the PSEye is used for tracking the full motion (like Mesmerize, then the PSEye lag will have more impact. But we have to be sure Mesmerize is optimized though. i.e., the dev may add in some delay to make Mesmerize more relaxing. Best is to measure a time-based game where you have a deadline to move things from point A to B.