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What does the latest leaked design look like? I thought the V-shaped dev kit was the only thing that was revealed.

Edit: looked into it and these are the images in circulation:




If this is real, then I think Xbox Series X has won in the looks department.
Yeaaaah, I can't imagine this is real whatsoever. It looks WAY too much like an X, which would be absolutely ridiculous, lmao.

If real, I'd find it incredibly HYSTERICAL!
 
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Son, MS releases day and date with PC and gamepass, that's a bad move.

Edit: Tell me again how did Gears of War 5 do both on Xbox and Steam again? Thought so.
We don't know bro. You seem to have the total sales numbers so please enlighten us.
 

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The writing is on the wall, if the entire industry shifts to play games anywhere on anything and Sony is in the corner acting high and mighty then they're going to suffer

They are not Nintendo who have carved themselves a niche. So they need to adapt, and HZD on PC is a tepid first step in balancing that need, while not nuking their current business model

Props to Microsoft though, they knew they were too far behind in the hardware box and exclusive games race so they started playing a different game altogether
 
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I just said, the last two years. Maybe even just the last year and a half. Before that they were doing great...
This idiotic chasing of XBox and what they are doing really makes no sense.
What exactly is idiotic?

You do know that markets evolve right?

BMW in the 90's wouldn't dare dream of putting out a front wheel drive car or turbocharge their engines or use 4WD.

Look at BMW today. Their lineup of cars are peppered with turbo engines. Their much sought after M cars are now going exclusively 4WD and their entry level (big sellling) models are front wheel drive. Its a simple example but one that i hope brings my point across.

MS has identified that there is much more to gain by spreading your product across all hardware platforms. Office 365 is generating huge profit for MS. Everything is moving to online services.
Its not a stretch to think that eventually gaming will do the same.

Sony will still produce magic when it comes to games and i'm not sure why myself as a fan needs to be worried or concerned with them extending their portfolio to PC and/or mobile. I still get to play PS games on my PS console.

Because at the end of the day more people get to play PS games which means i get to game with a larger pool of people online and my god that is one of the most amazing things you could ask for as a gamer. A massive online community not held back by any boundries or closed off ecosystems.
 

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They continue to be the platform that plays the games I want with low input lag compared to the competition. 🤷‍♀️
Very strange choice of words considering 360 was the better platform for fighting games and shmups with lower input latency in almost every case.

Unless there's already information that PS5 has superior input latency to XSX?

Edit: Oh wait, I think you're using "continue" in the context of the PS4's lifespan. I was thinking in terms of console generations.
 
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Very strange choice of words considering 360 was the better platform for fighting games and shmups with lower input latency in almost every case.

Unless there's already information that PS5 has superior input latency to XSX?

Edit: Okay, I think you're using "continue" in the context of the PS4's lifespan. I was thinking in terms of console generations.
That's why I own a 360. Yeah, I just mean the PS4 has gotten a lot of games that I want and the low input lag of the hardware reinforces my choice to buy a lot of games in the library. I have no strong opinion on the PS5 nor XsX nor do I plan to buy either of them at launch.
 
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Cross post from spec thread:

Ok, so this is from that russian guy who predicted/leaked DS on PC, HZD on pc, and CP2077 delay via ree:



Osiris is right, ms is killing it, it in this case being the ps5 launch.
I'll say a couple Hail Mary's for anyone even remotely entertaining the thought that PS5 will launch with no exclusives while Xbox Series X launches with 16.
 

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What exactly is idiotic?

You do know that markets evolve right?

BMW in the 90's wouldn't dare dream of putting out a front wheel drive car or turbocharge their engines or use 4WD.

Look at BMW today. Their lineup of cars are peppered with turbo engines. Their much sought after M cars are now going exclusively 4WD and their entry level (big sellling) models are front wheel drive. Its a simple example but one that i hope brings my point across.

MS has identified that there is much more to gain by spreading your product across all hardware platforms. Office 365 is generating huge profit for MS. Everything is moving to online services.
Its not a stretch to think that eventually gaming will do the same.

Sony will still produce magic when it comes to games and i'm not sure why myself as a fan needs to be worried or concerned with them extending their portfolio to PC and/or mobile. I still get to play PS games on my PS console.

Because at the end of the day more people get to play PS games which means i get to game with a larger pool of people online and my god that is one of the most amazing things you could ask for as a gamer. A massive online community not held back by any boundries or closed off ecosystems.
Xbox don't make profit, they don't report numbers of any kind, we cannot see any performance indicators for them.... they were absolutely smashed over the past generation.
IMO they are irrelevant outside the USA and maybe UK, there is no reason for PlayStation to be running after them as they are taking their eyes off the prize.

Do they think Xbox is going to PC because consoles will suddenly disappear or die? No, the only way consoles will die is if Sony give up on them.... and by 'give up' I mean stop providing loads of exclusives and other content for the platform.

After the PlayStation customers loyalty, they seem to just turn their back on us.... give away the heart of the platform (exclusives) for little reason to a load of people who never gave a shit about PlayStation and just hounded them on social media...

What type of suckers are running PlayStation?
 

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That's why I own a 360. Yeah, I just mean the PS4 has gotten a lot of games that I want and the low input lag of the hardware reinforces my choice to buy a lot of games in the library. I have no strong opinion on the PS5 nor XsX nor do I plan to buy either of them at launch.
Yea my realization came a bit late, hence the edit.

And it made me wonder if you might have some info about input latency for the nextgen consoles because I can't be bothered to keep up with the details on either one. So far you're one of the only persons on here who takes note of input latency.

Yea there's no point getting either box at launch unless it has the games we wanna play there and then. The box itself is a means to the games.

Though backwards compatibility with enhancements (like One X) would be a huge attraction, I'm the kind who loves revisiting my games library.

Edit: Fixed some grammar and formatting.
 
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Oh don't get me started on Jim Ryan.

I remember the bullshit he tried to pull when the X was coming out. I didn't like him when he was in marketing. I have no idea how he was chosen to head up Playstation. He's a complete tool.
Or maybe is a complete stool 😶.

Jim is a asshole. So i dont have any faith in him
 

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In the last 2 years, I have seen PlayStation allow great games to be reviewed before final patches, duck out of E3, let all of Quantic Dreams games go to PC along with funding Death Stranding and let that also go to PC.... now Horizon Zero Dawn is the latest to go to PC.

The direct type 'State of Plays' are boring and have zero personality and right now, it looks like they fired anyone that was liked by the community.

There are many credible rumors of PS5 coming in under the performance of Series X, the latest leaked design is hideous and looks incredibly cheap.

I have absolutly no confidence in the current direction that PlayStation is heading, if they continue to make their games multiplatform... I think many will just stop buying their hardware. I am certainly seriously considering this...

I wonder how many of the PlayStation owners on Gaf feel about the current direction?
Come on Bryank75 Bryank75 ! Don't be like that man. Xbox survived with PC versions of their games. I'll even give you a little inside info - I hear that developers are becoming weary of managing multiple platforms. Some of my sources say they can't wait to see all games just get released on the PC and consoles (other than Nintendo) get deprecated altogether. The PC platform is just moving too fast to catch up with each generation of a new console. The hardware is merging also (CPU + GPU) so it's an inevitability at this point.
 
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What the absolute shit is this thread?

Sony's games make it to PC 3 years after launch and suddenly these are the end times? What?
People who buy consoles cause the only PC they own is the laptop given to them by their employer, will continue to buy consoles, whether that is Xbox or PlayStation, irrespective if said consoles' exclusives are on PC or not. Most people who buy and play on console don't give a shit about any of this.
 

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Do you think there's any possibility come next Xmas that parents end up buying the older version of the Xbox on accident for their kids because there's no logical connection between Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox X1, and Xbox Series X?

Microsoft cannot even provide their customers with a logical enough name to make buying the product easy. If you can't get the simple details right, how are you going to handle the complicated ones?
Do people really worry about this shit as if their won’t be a marketing push?
 

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I just said, the last two years. Maybe even just the last year and a half. Before that they were doing great...
This idiotic chasing of XBox and what they are doing really makes no sense.
I picked up HZD really cheap at some point, found out it to be a pretty good game. The franchise can use some more exposure.

Sony just gave me the last of us.. also a good game.. Send that to PC now too. Why do I care who else gets to enjoy it, the more the merrier. Helps keep em coming...
 

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Iraq, unfortunately.
The way I see it, they simply can't fuck themselves unless they really, really wanted to do it.
They got everything going for them and if they somehow fucked things up, then it's their mistake.
 

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Xbox don't make profit, they don't report numbers of any kind, we cannot see any performance indicators for them.... they were absolutely smashed over the past generation.
IMO they are irrelevant outside the USA and maybe UK, there is no reason for PlayStation to be running after them as they are taking their eyes off the prize.

Do they think Xbox is going to PC because consoles will suddenly disappear or die? No, the only way consoles will die is if Sony give up on them.... and by 'give up' I mean stop providing loads of exclusives and other content for the platform.

After the PlayStation customers loyalty, they seem to just turn their back on us.... give away the heart of the platform (exclusives) for little reason to a load of people who never gave a shit about PlayStation and just hounded them on social media...

What type of suckers are running PlayStation?
Forgive me but I think you're looking at this in a two dimensional way. This is an old IP that has seen its day on the PS4 and isn't likely to sell well any more on the PS4/PS5. That's not Sony deserting their singleplayer/exclusive mentality, that's making more money from an old game and potentially advertising a follow up to those who buy it on the PC. Then, when Horizon 2 comes out and is exclusive to the PS5 (maybe PS4) then those who bought the game on the PC and liked it a lot, are more likely to consider buying a PS5 to play it. This isn't the same as putting every game, day and date on the PC, this is extending the promotions of the IP and making money whilst doing it.

It's the exact same strategy they use for PS Now. I was telling people a long time ago that PS4 games would appear on that service but not until they're much older and not selling well on the PS4 as standalones any more. There's no difference here.
 

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In the last 2 years, I have seen PlayStation allow great games to be reviewed before final patches, duck out of E3, let all of Quantic Dreams games go to PC along with funding Death Stranding and let that also go to PC.... now Horizon Zero Dawn is the latest to go to PC.

The direct type 'State of Plays' are boring and have zero personality and right now, it looks like they fired anyone that was liked by the community.

There are many credible rumors of PS5 coming in under the performance of Series X, the latest leaked design is hideous and looks incredibly cheap.

I have absolutly no confidence in the current direction that PlayStation is heading, if they continue to make their games multiplatform... I think many will just stop buying their hardware. I am certainly seriously considering this...

I wonder how many of the PlayStation owners on Gaf feel about the current direction?
Sony have sold over 106 million PS4’s so far. I think they know what they are doing and are more competent than you’ll ever be. They also didn’t “fire” anyone (in fact, they hired more people) and if you think so, you sound even more deluded than your initial post. No one cares a troll like you stops buying Sony’s consoles as I’m sure that 106 million people and counting say otherwise.
 

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I said it before and I say it now. Jim Ryan is going to bring dark times to Playstation, the best way to get better is to get fired as quickly as possible.


They need to have their headquarters in Japan again and the company must be guided by a Japanese, that will improve the brand a lot.
This must be a joke lol. The reason why PS4 was a huge success was due to their HQ being in the US. Jim Ryan has been with the company for decades and it’s due to him that PlayStation has had such a stronghold in Europe. You literally have no clue about what you are talking about.
 
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Xbox don't make profit, they don't report numbers of any kind, we cannot see any performance indicators for them.... they were absolutely smashed over the past generation.
IMO they are irrelevant outside the USA and maybe UK, there is no reason for PlayStation to be running after them as they are taking their eyes off the prize.

Do they think Xbox is going to PC because consoles will suddenly disappear or die? No, the only way consoles will die is if Sony give up on them.... and by 'give up' I mean stop providing loads of exclusives and other content for the platform.

After the PlayStation customers loyalty, they seem to just turn their back on us.... give away the heart of the platform (exclusives) for little reason to a load of people who never gave a shit about PlayStation and just hounded them on social media...

What type of suckers are running PlayStation?
Now convinced this is a troll thread.

I won't respond to OP posts any further.
 
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Oh don't get me started on Jim Ryan.

I remember the bullshit he tried to pull when the X was coming out. I didn't like him when he was in marketing. I have no idea how he was chosen to head up Playstation. He's a complete tool.
I think your are being the tool here. Jim Ryan has been at Sony for decades and he’s the one who managed PS in Europe and made it a huge brand there. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why he’s in charge of PS now.
 
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cheers, much appreciated.

which 1st party buds will be ripening for ps5 in 2020? Genuinely want to know.
Wait a few weeks and you'll find out. Many 1st party studios under the PlayStation stable have expanded over the years working on multiple projects simultaneously. Not too difficult to deduce that half of these teams have been working on next gen content while the other half been working on current gen.
 

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In the last 2 years, I have seen PlayStation allow great games to be reviewed before final patches, duck out of E3, let all of Quantic Dreams games go to PC along with funding Death Stranding and let that also go to PC.... now Horizon Zero Dawn is the latest to go to PC.
Not incompetence. 3 games from this gen hardly makes a dent in their total output, and if it keeps the creator's happy and financially healthy its a win-win.

The direct type 'State of Plays' are boring and have zero personality and right now, it looks like they fired anyone that was liked by the community.
I don't watch trailer shows for "personality". I watch them for the trailers! Honestly I really don't understand what's supposed to be the issue here.

There are many credible rumors of PS5 coming in under the performance of Series X, the latest leaked design is hideous and looks incredibly cheap.
Price is more important than performance, power is a talking point for fanboys and internet warriors. The world generally doesn't give two shits, as evidenced by historic sales, and given how powerful the supposedly "weaker" specs of the PS5 are compared to what we have at present the difference is unlikely to be that noticable.

I have absolutly no confidence in the current direction that PlayStation is heading, if they continue to make their games multiplatform... I think many will just stop buying their hardware. I am certainly seriously considering this...

I wonder how many of the PlayStation owners on Gaf feel about the current direction?
You are being very silly.
 
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Well the fact that they will probably be losing money on the PS5 (or breaking even at best), they would probably rather you buy the game on PC, if you have a good enough PC.
This probably the most ignorant comment I've seen on this topic, Sony didn't spend millions of dollars on R&D for the ps5 for people to "just buy it on the pc" in regards to games.
 

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I think your are being the tool here. Jim Ryan has been at Sony for decades and he’s the one who managed PS in Europe and made it a huge brand there. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why he’s in charge of PS now.
Oh ok, would you like some fucks with that? Oh, my apologies, I'm fresh out.
 
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Not incompetence. 3 games from this gen hardly makes a dent in their total output, and if it keeps the creator's happy and financially healthy its a win-win.



I don't watch trailer shows for "personality". I watch them for the trailers! Honestly I really don't understand what's supposed to be the issue here.



Price is more important than performance, power is a talking point for fanboys and internet warriors. The world generally doesn't give two shits, as evidenced by historic sales, and given how powerful the supposedly "weaker" specs of the PS5 are compared to what we have at present the difference is unlikely to be that noticable.



You are being very silly.
This thread was started by a console warrior. It's plain to see in his responses and the reason why I placed him on ignore.

I mean i'm a PlayStation fan myself (despite also owning 2 Xbox 360's) and I really don't see any issue with a PC player being able to play Horizon Zero Dawn despite me owning it.

Threads like this IMO devalues the quality of this forum.
 

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Sony just announced 106 Millions of PS4, 1.15 billion PS4 games, which means over 5 billion PS games. This generation won many goty awards and most of the other ones that weren't made by them were playable on their console. Before PS5 release this year they have Dreams, TLOU2, FVII Remake, Ghost of Tsushima, Doom Eternal, Yakuza 7 and many other great upcoming games.

Wow, much incompetent.
 
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Forgive me but I think you're looking at this in a two dimensional way. This is an old IP that has seen its day on the PS4 and isn't likely to sell well any more on the PS4/PS5. That's not Sony deserting their singleplayer/exclusive mentality, that's making more money from an old game and potentially advertising a follow up to those who buy it on the PC. Then, when Horizon 2 comes out and is exclusive to the PS5 (maybe PS4) then those who bought the game on the PC and liked it a lot, are more likely to consider buying a PS5 to play it. This isn't the same as putting every game, day and date on the PC, this is extending the promotions of the IP and making money whilst doing it.

It's the exact same strategy they use for PS Now. I was telling people a long time ago that PS4 games would appear on that service but not until they're much older and not selling well on the PS4 as standalones any more. There's no difference here.
That's totally not how this works...
 

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Oh don't get me started on Jim Ryan.

I remember the bullshit he tried to pull when the X was coming out. I didn't like him when he was in marketing. I have no idea how he was chosen to head up Playstation. He's a complete tool.
I Think you may be right Jig I remember how awful his marketing ideas were in the past and whoevers idea to put in charge should be fired along with him.

The way he presented Playstation at CES screamed, "I only care about the investors" with all of the sales data slides and anti-climatic PS5 logo and brief silence.
 
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And then buy them on PC? Sony wins either way.
Again if hardly anyone is buying the ps5 then why sink all that money into creating the system? Sony isn't winning in both front ls they are sacrificing one platform for another and burning the confidence of its player base from the ps4.
 

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I understand Sony may wanted to help Quantic Dream, ThatGameCompany or KojiPro to thanks them for their service by allowing them to release on their games made for Sony some time after were released on PS. And I also understand that the MLB guys who license the game may want to release their game everywhere and that Sony may prefer to make this game multi than to lose this IP, because its last edition became the best selling baseball game ever in USA.

But these cases are totally unrelated to Horizon ZD. I think it won't be released on PC, at least outside PS Now, Remote Play or YouTube. I think that 'rumor' doesn't make sense at all, it's just a fanboy guess who saw the Kojima case recently -and didn't know it was mentioned when Kojima's partnership with Sony was announced- and his bollocks went crazy.
 
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They're still going to have exclusives and PS5 games won't be required to work on a PS4 like new Xbox games need to work on a One S, so the start of the gen is going to be a landslide, not sure what there is to worry about right now besides what their launch lineup looks like but I'm assuming it'll be aces.
 

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If Sony sells a game as the complete/goty edition for 15 bucks already( Or in my case with discounts for 8.)

I wouldn't worry abaout Sony being doomed just because of PC ports.

Most people that really wanted it already bought the game on their PS4. Sony makes more money if PC players spent 40/50 for the eyecandy edition than from people that pay 10-20 for the PS4 version now.

It's a win/win. Plus there is alot of double dippers. So smart move by Sony
 
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If Sony sells a game as the complete/goty edition for 15 bucks already( Or in my case with discounts for 8.)

I wouldn't worry abaout Sony being doomed just because of PC ports.

Most people that really wanted it already bought the game on their PS4. Sony makes more money if PC players spent 40/50 for the eyecandy edition than from people that pay 10-20 for the PS4 version now.

It's a win/win. Plus there is alot of double dippers. So smart move by Sony
And it's a Guerilla games game and we don't even have rumors for the Killzone franchise, the most recent entry being 6 years old now.
 
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I Think you may be right Jig I remember how awful his marketing ideas were in the past and whoevers idea to put in charge should be fired along with him.

The way he presented Playstation at CES screamed, "I only care about the investors" with all of the sales data slides and anti-climatic PS5 logo and brief silence.
Are you 12 years old? He’s a business man of course he would be worried about investors. The whole company is. You have no right to say who gets “fired” as your just a nobody on a random forum on the internet. By the way, that PS5 had over 5 million likes on Instagram while the Xbox SeX on had 400k likes - and that was with the whole reveal of the console lol.
 

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Are you 12 years old? He’s a business man of course he would be worried about investors. The whole company is. You have no right to say who gets “fired” as your just a nobody on a random forum on the internet. By the way, that PS5 had over 5 million likes on Instagram while the Xbox SeX on had 400k likes - and that was with the whole reveal of the console lol.
Here we go, another snot nosed neo member wants to come in and tell me what I can and can do.

First of all actually read my fucking comment before you try to insult my intelligence. I said the dude acted like he "ONLY" cared about the investors. Everyone knows he has to keep the damn people In his first thoughts when he's making a business decision smart ass but they aren't the only ones keeping the company afloat if that was the case they wouldn't need to sell us products.

I stand by my original statement and I agree with what Jig said, period.
 
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