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Sony Is Struggling With PlayStation 5 Price Due to Costly Parts

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Do you have some kind of sixth sense that alerts you every time someone posts an unreliable source?

I'm not complaining, it just seems like you're always the first post in these threads, and within minutes. It's like clockwork.

Not really, there's a feed on Twitter that posts links to new threads on NeoGAF lol.

Quite simply, as someone who is very dedicated to writing actual solid gaming news, this kind of rumormongering with no backing is basically my nemesis, and I have a massive pet peeve with it. 🙄
 

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Sony should do anything possible to not price at $500, because consoles historically do not sell at that price. And they know it, especially after last gen. That's why they are struggling right now - they need to get the price down!

This is why consoles will always be limited, the first priority isn't to make some super powerful box but make an affordable, attractive, and easy to use console that people will buy. It is why these consoles, while they might be more balanced than last gen, still are limited by market realities.


This is 2020

Todays consoles technology are very different than back in the 90s and early 00s

$500-$600 is the reasonable pricepoint if you want to get a decent consoles to compete with high end PC

get with the times boomer
 
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Just like when Sony warned how the trade war might hike prices, they are playing the PR game, nothing more. They even add "coronoavirus has not affected plans... so far" so they're prepping for that too.

If prices are affected, oh shucks Sony has no choice and they warned us ahead of time. 🤷‍♀️

If prices aren't affected, oh wow Sony's cost controls are legendary! what a company! 🤷‍♀️

But the customer has no real way of knowing if prices were affected.
 

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Thats not what $400 and $500 means, yoski! How did you even come to that conclusion? $400 and $500 is where people are expecting these consoles to fall.

Not from me, i never said something like this
 
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This is 2020

Todays consoles technology are very different than back in the 90s and early 00s

$500-$600 is the reasonable pricepoint if you want to get a decent consoles to compete with high end PC

get with the times boomer

The difference between then and now is that they use now commoditized PC parts, as opposed to specialized custom components.

They'll never compete with high end PCs, and there is no evidence that people are more willing to pay higher prices for a console than they have in the past. In fact, this generation solidified that.
 
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Not me, i never said something like this
You expect more or less? Lower is always better. Any higher than $499 and either company will have problems moving consoles. If Sony is lower spec'd, they have to go lower. They cant afford to have a $500 console with lower specs against a competitor with higher specs at the same price.
 

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The difference between then and now is that they use now commoditized PC parts, as opposed to specialized custom components.

They'll never compete with high end PCs, and there is no evidence that people are more willing to pay higher prices for a console than they have in the past. In fact, this generation solidified that.

Do you know much a GTX2080 card cost ( The standard that PS5 and Series X are trying to achiece)?

Lets face it a $399 consoles is imposible for nextgen

You guys are too hung up to that pricepoint because of PS4 sucess

a $399 for nextgen hardware wil only gets you a potatoes hardware like Switch
 
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Do you know much a GTX2080 card cost ( The standard that PS5 and Series X are trying to achiece)?

Lets face it a $399 consoles is imposible for nextgen

You guys are too hung up to that pricepoint because of PS4 sucess

a $399 for nextgen hardware wil only gets you a potatoes hardware like Switch

It would have been possible had Sony threw in a 5400 RPM 2TB harddrive. But who wants that?
 
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Fine, Lets go your route. Xbox has had much better news as of late for sure. I mean what - compared to Sony - they showed a logo a ten year old could've made. Or even guesses for that matter... C'mon broski! Facts are facts. Sony has been hiding for two E3's yet. Thats a bit unsettling.
Huh?
 

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Do you know much a GTX2080 card cost ( The standard that PS5 and Series X are trying to achiece)?

Lets face it a $399 consoles is imposible for nextgen

You guys are too hung up to that pricepoint because of PS4 sucess

We don't know what those systems are trying to do, but if they hit 2080, that means they hit high-ish end on 2018 cards. Not high-end on 2020. The 2080 is not a new GPU.

Has there been a single successful console that has come out ever at $500? I don't think so. If $400 is impossible for next gen then I predict low sales on next gen.

If Sony was comfortable with $500 then these reports wouldn't be coming out. They know this as much as anyone else.
 

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And it nearly tanked the company for good.... were it not for them selling tons of HDTVs as people swapped out their old CRTs at the same time they might not exist anymore. They also had to radically re-engineer the system to cut costs and drop the price.

2006-2008 were by no means good times for Sony.
It also helped Blu-ray win the format war.
 
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You expect more or less? Lower is always better. Any higher than $499 and either company will have problems moving consoles. If Sony is lower spec'd, they have to go lower. They cant afford to have a $500 console with lower specs against a competitor with higher specs at the same price.

You guys need to give up and acept that new consoles gona cost $500-$600

The cost inflation, pc hardware components and everyhthing it makes senses

Why are you guys so scared with that pricepoint?

You guys really that broke or something?

Gaming is an expensive hobby

So if you cant aford that then perhaps you got other priority to do in your life beside playing videogame
 
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We don't know what those systems are trying to do, but if they hit 2080, that means they hit high-ish end on 2018 cards. Not high-end on 2020. The 2080 is not a new GPU.

Has there been a single successful console that has come out ever at $500? I don't think so. If $400 is impossible for next gen then I predict low sales on next gen.

If Sony was comfortable with $500 then these reports wouldn't be coming out. They know this as much as anyone else.

Like i said your still basing this on a 90s and 00s consoles sales

$199-$399 is imposible for nextgen to compete with high end PC like it uses back then

Technology are far more complex amd intricate now

Those days of.cheaper consoles.are long gone
 
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Like i said your still basing this on a 90s and 00s consoles sales

$199-$399 is imposible for nextgen to compete with high end PC like it uses back then

Technology are far more complex amd intricate now

Those days of.cheaper consoles.are long gone

No, it's really not, and besides, even if it was, that means companies need to cut even more from consoles, because again, people aren't going to spend more on a console just because Sony tells them to. If they did, the PS3 would have been a smash hit at launch. And compete with a high end PC - please. It's not happening. Not even close. Like I said, if Sony was comfortable pricing the PS5 at $600, this article wouldn't mention they're struggling to cut the costs.
 
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You guys need to give up and acept that new consoles gona cost $500-$600

The cost inflation, pc hardware components and everyhthing it makes senses

Why are you guys so scared with that pricepoint?

You guys really that broke or something?

Gaming is an expensive hobby

So if you cant aford that then perhaps you got other priority to do in your life beside playing videogame
Dude, I own a business and work in entertainment as a paid professional. Price isn't the concern. Most people can't say that though. Most people, anything above $500 isn't going to look upon favorably. Not everyone can afford that price point. I can afford it and I'm not willing to spend more than $600 on a gaming console. Its just not that serious to me. Gaming is a luxury. Not a necessity. That's how moat gamers look at gaming.
 

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According to Voost's post history, he didn't. Crapgamer....he just react how the wind blows.
Calling Flight Simulator 'boring', thinking 343i should not be allowed to make games(still calling MCC 'Broken Chief collection'), Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Tokyo Mirage Sessions are trash, The first thread he made after leaving the stadia camp was to make a 343i hate thread.
 

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VR won't be the vocal point of PS5, VR is having a terrific time on PS4, but you have Spider-Man 2, Naughty Dog, more power we've never seen from a console and a new box as well if SONY matches up the price point instead of insane pricing like they did on the PS3 everything will come together, the VR, ray tracing etc.
 

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You can't compare a Pc to consoles. Many people don't want a Pc (in their living room) and most casuals will always stick to consoles.
Yea I dont want to spend 2000 on a good gaming pc. People also forget you need to spend money on a great monitor as well. Thats so much costs. And then its outdated a few years later. If you got the cash and its your hobby, go for it. amazing. But me and my friends dont wanne do that.
 

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Lol didn't we all expect around $500?

How is this an issue all of a sudden?



I don't see it as an issue, but I think many were expecting Sony to come out swinging again at a $399 US price, undercutting Xbox Series X which will likely cost $500. Since the rumors about Xbox Series X being 12TF vs 9, discussions have broken with some users normalizing the difference, bringing the PS5 up to 10TF and considering the PS5 would cost $100 dollars less, justifying the difference in power.

For most people that won't matter much since it's mostly about exclusives, but for those where power is a big deal and want the best version of multiplats, having both at the same price, but another having 30% more power, could mean a significant difference in value, worse if MS somehow reverses the role and comes out swinging with a $399 price with the more powerful console just like PS4 was last gen, I mean I seriously doubt that, but imo if MS is going all in, this would be the true definition of going all in, but I still see an impact if the price is equal and the power difference is 30%, that's still the same as PS4 vs Xbox One sans Kinect.
 
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Yea I dont want to spend 2000 on a good gaming pc. People also forget you need to spend money on a great monitor as well. Thats so much costs. And then its outdated a few years later. If you got the cash and its your hobby, go for it. amazing. But me and my friends dont wanne do that.
No you don't, unless you don't have a good TV. My PC has been connected to my 4k TV since I bought it.
 
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See that's what I meant by xboys spinning

I'm not an 'xboy', I'm a realist. Don't have stock in either company so could care less about which one's making more money 'cuz I'm not seeing a dime from either of them xD. DVDs outsold Blu-Ray this year by 16%, go look at the data. I'm sorry any commentary based in realism when it comes to Sony irritates you, but that's not my problem.

PS3 wiped out all PS1 & PS2 profits and the Blu-Ray drive was one of the biggest reasons for that. That's what I mean when I say it was a pyrrhic victory: it came at many heavy losses in other areas. The trajectory looked good for Blu-Ray anyway even if PS3 did not have a unit built-in, because the 360 did not have HD-DVD built-in either, and studios were already backing Blu-Ray moreso without PS3 factoring into the picture.
 

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Or they just don't want another vacuum cleaner / hairdryer.
That saved me money
 

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This is why consoles will always be limited, the first priority isn't to make some super powerful box but make an affordable, attractive, and easy to use console that people will buy. It is why these consoles, while they might be more balanced than last gen, still are limited by market realities.
Agree, the reality is both Sony and MS cant build their consoles just for enthusiasts. They must think about casuals who barely cant spend 399$.

I have paid 599$ for launch PS3 and I still considered it cheap. It was 5-7 years investment, and I could not only play great games but also watch BD movies. Even at 599$ PS3 hardware was limited (RAM, too weak GPU) and now people want to pay 400$ max and they expect high end hardware..... because of course MS and Sony can sell everything at loss 😃.
 
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New PS5 Feature Reportedly Cancelled Due to Supply Issues

More specifically, it's being reported that Sony was previously planning on including a new mirrorless camera with the PS5, but this had to be cancelled to a shortage of DRAM supply. Of course, this isn't a major feature for the console, but it does illustrate just how much this shortage of components is impacting the piece of next-gen hardware.


For those that don't know: a mirrorless camera, also called DSLM, is a camera that features a single, removable lens and that uses a digital display system rather than an optical viewfinder. Here, "mirrorless" is just a reference to the fact that the camera does not make use of an optical mirror or an optical viewfinder like you would see in a conventional digital single-lens reflex camera. Rather, it contains an electronic viewfinder that displays what the camera image sensor sees.


 

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I don't think so or do you know any toaster / refrigerator brand fanboys?

Depends on the exclusives homie.
It almost sounds to me like Sony might use less RAM then what was originally intended, and are prepping us for it by leaking it to this reporter. If there truly is a constraint of RAM memory in the supply chain, why not wait till next year, Fall 2021, to release the PS5? Sure, the XSX will have a 1-year lead, but Sony has done this before with the PS3, which was released a year after the XB360, and it ended up outselling the XB360 by a few consoles in the end, even though it was harder to work with.

Sony didn’t win last gen. Outselling MS by a few million for bragging rights is no prize given what was lost in exchange.

MS cut Sony’s market share in half, enjoyed double the attach rate, and raked in millions in XBL fees while Sony stood by and watched.

Add up the per unit profit Sony made from those PS3 sales and compare to just the XBL fees alone and it’s clear Sony lost the last gen.

No business would call the PS3 a success and if Sony launches late they are risking the same outcome with PS5. They won’t do that.
 
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You guys need to give up and acept that new consoles gona cost $500-$600

The cost inflation, pc hardware components and everyhthing it makes senses

Why are you guys so scared with that pricepoint?

You guys really that broke or something?

Gaming is an expensive hobby

So if you cant aford that then perhaps you got other priority to do in your life beside playing videogame
Dude, the problem isn't what the enthusiasts are prepared to pay for them, but what the casuals are. That's what will spell success or not.
 
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If this is true, Sony is gonna have to sell it for $500 to break even.

If they go considerably lower than that, they're gonna be losing money..
 

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Dude, the problem isn't what the enthusiasts are prepared to pay for them, but what the casuals are. That's what will spell success or not.

Exactly... Though I will gladly pay $499 and up for higher performance, my brother won't.
It will be years before our kids can play together again...

So at the end of the day the Switch will be their console of choice...
 
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Is this there greatest power move ?
Sony is in trouble right now. They will follow Microsoft's pricing model for Xbox Series X, because lets face it, they dont hold a candle to Microsoft's technical prowess.
Microsoft knows what it is doing regarding Xbox Series X and has many more surprises stored for us.
There's been a lot of "Power Move Threads" lately.

Unsure if like. 🤔
 

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As far as cooling, Sony might not have to spend that much it they went with a tower, PC-like design.

Only then will that design get sung the highest of praises.

🤪
 

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If it cost sony that much for the PS5, I wonder how much the series X is costing MS?

I'm fine with expensive consoles and considering that some people straight up pay 1000+ for cellphones on the yearly I don't see it being an issue.
 

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New PS5 Feature Reportedly Cancelled Due to Supply Issues

More specifically, it's being reported that Sony was previously planning on including a new mirrorless camera with the PS5, but this had to be cancelled to a shortage of DRAM supply. Of course, this isn't a major feature for the console, but it does illustrate just how much this shortage of components is impacting the piece of next-gen hardware.


For those that don't know: a mirrorless camera, also called DSLM, is a camera that features a single, removable lens and that uses a digital display system rather than an optical viewfinder. Here, "mirrorless" is just a reference to the fact that the camera does not make use of an optical mirror or an optical viewfinder like you would see in a conventional digital single-lens reflex camera. Rather, it contains an electronic viewfinder that displays what the camera image sensor sees.



Where do they come up with this stupid shit?

No, the PS5 wasn't going to have a mirrorless camera at any point.
 

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As far as cooling, Sony might not have to spend that much it they went with a tower, PC-like design.

But that's not a console.. Great for some kids bedroom but I want it in my entertainment center hooked up to the big screen, and I don't want a PC or I would have a PC.

Not criticizing anything you said just pointing out everybody won't be happy.
 
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More or less in line with what I've been expecting out of them. I do think the relative lack of transparency is not a good sign, tbh.

Probably worrying for some of the TFWarBoyz would be the cooling mention in all of that. I hope my theory/speculation holds out but saying the cooling is "very unusual" actually doesn't give too much hope on that front given what we've already seen with devkits and what a certain leak and successive benchmarks are generally showing. Only thing that can really assure me of a best-case scenario on that front is a new benchmark datamine with a somewhat beefier Oberon...we still got 'till end of March (y)

I'm still #Team10.4_11 but I'm also covering my ass with a soft #Team9.2 because let's face it there's still a good bit of circumstantial coincidences and evidence tracing a while back that can support that one as well :S

All of that said, at the end of the day I don't think anyone should be obsessing over TFs so damn much. These systems are going to have some amazing stuff coming for next-gen and you would be surprised how often throughout console history systems that were considered the "weaker" ones could turn up arguably some of the most amazing looking games of that generation. Take PS2 for example. Generally outclassed by Gamecube and Xbox, but had the best-looking sim racers of that gen in GT3 and GT4, hands down. Best-looking JRPGs too in FFX (at the time it came out), and FFXII. Arguably the best-looking platformers that gen in games like Jak 3, Ratchet & Clank etc.

Basically, you don't need the most powerful console to have at least some of the best-looking games. You just need a system that's relatively capable and a flock of developers who can make it sing. Sony already has that with their 1st party these days, and PS5 and XSX will be competitive with each other regardless of where each one falls on the tech side of things. And PS still has the majority support from 3rd-parties, something (along with pushing harder on 1st-party content) MS has to up their game on, and I expect them to.

So yeah, I know a lot of people aren't going to like my take on some of the stuff I've just mentioned, but hopefully you also see that I'm coming at it from the bigger picture, and that power really doesn't mean everything. Hasn't Nintendo been consistently proving that for over a decade by now?
Agree, there are informations supporting both (single and double digits), so nothing is certain until MS and Sony will finally reaveal specs. But no matter if next gen consoles will be 8TF or 12TF developers willl still make great games on both.

When it comes to your GT3 and GT4 example. I think from technical point of view PGR2 or Ralli Sport 2 was on totally different league, but GT3-GT4 looked more pleasing to my eyes because of realistic art direction and interesting tricks. For example cars in gran turismo had very dark windows, so polyphony could build car models with much less polygons, and these cars still looked good.
 

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I'm fine with expensive consoles and considering that some people straight up pay 1000+ for cellphones on the yearly I don't see it being an issue.

People are spending $1000 on cell phones for themselves.. not many people are spending $1000 on cell phones for their kids...
 
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New PS5 Feature Reportedly Cancelled Due to Supply Issues

More specifically, it's being reported that Sony was previously planning on including a new mirrorless camera with the PS5, but this had to be cancelled to a shortage of DRAM supply. Of course, this isn't a major feature for the console, but it does illustrate just how much this shortage of components is impacting the piece of next-gen hardware.


For those that don't know: a mirrorless camera, also called DSLM, is a camera that features a single, removable lens and that uses a digital display system rather than an optical viewfinder. Here, "mirrorless" is just a reference to the fact that the camera does not make use of an optical mirror or an optical viewfinder like you would see in a conventional digital single-lens reflex camera. Rather, it contains an electronic viewfinder that displays what the camera image sensor sees.



An Eye Toy....?
 
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Rtx 2070 is 500usd alone... Whole console could even be 1000 of they really wanted it. Even smartphones are over 1k now... But my view is skewed over pc gaming and again spending 2k for new parts.... I swear I've had pc's for my whole life... It's the only thing I know and I grew to hate it :p this has nothing to do with topic but I know someone understands :p
 
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Kid's aren't the primary demographic for games consoles are they?
I'm probably out of touch, being 31 and without a kid lol.

Good question I just assumed they were... I am older and everybody I know buys them for their kids...
Edit: Wait when have consoles primary market not been kids.. Just because some of us never grew up.
 
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You guys need to give up and acept that new consoles gona cost $500-$600

The cost inflation, pc hardware components and everyhthing it makes senses

Why are you guys so scared with that pricepoint?

You guys really that broke or something?

Gaming is an expensive hobby

So if you cant aford that then perhaps you got other priority to do in your life beside playing videogame
400$ is extremely cheap price (these days many people can buy 4x PS4P with their single salary) but I think even 599$ would be still cheap considering what people get (that's 5-7 years investment after all).