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Sony isn't prepared for the fight this generation

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ZehDon

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What have the studios they already bought done?...
Sorry, no, stay on topic. You're posting this kind of rhetoric in multiple threads at the moment. You said Microsoft was just running "more of the same". So I asked: "When was the last time Microsoft purchased two Publishers?" Self-evidently, Microsoft has changed its approach with Xbox this generation. How is investing USD$77 billion into Xbox "more of the same"?
 

Gavon West

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You are straight up delusional. Did Sony first party forget how to make games?
Um, no. Where did I say such a thing? But they won't be the only one with heavy hitters. That's a fact! Starfield will be a juggernaut in and of itself. Not to mention HB II, Avowed and host of others. You're missing the forest for the trees.

Microsoft already has the best ecosystem and the best game subscription on the market. They'll also have an insane amount of top tier devs after the bid goes through. Divy all that up, and you've got perfect storm, so to speak. Why do you think Sony is so worried now? Don't delude yourself and deflect from what's in front of you. Sony will have stuff competition in the coming months. It could very well change the status quo in the coming years.
 

Gavon West

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What have the studios they already bought done? It's best we wait and see but I'm betting PlayStation will still sell more units
Selling consoles is Sony's game. Hands down. But, this gen is changing rapidly. Console sales arent the be all anymore. Subscription and cloud services are. And Sony simply isn't prepared to deal with a 2 trillion dollar company with a hugely successful gaming service and the best cloud service out of all the big players. Like it or not, that's where gaming is heading. Consoles will probably still be part of all the ecosystems. But only one company has geared itself to be ahead of all the others in game and cloud services.

Jesus, they literally can go multiplatform with every game without having to put their games on the competitions platforms. They don't need Sony or Nintendo to do it. And can still put their games on virtually every screen you own. Plus they have well over a decade of gaming industry experience and hugely successful IP's to go with it! Not to mention they have more money than the other two.

The writing is literally on the wall.
 

StreetsofBeige

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Selling consoles is Sony's game. Hands down. But, this gen is changing rapidly. Console sales arent the be all anymore. Subscription and cloud services are. And Sony simply isn't prepared to deal with a 2 trillion dollar company with a hugely successful gaming service and the best cloud service out of all the big players. Like it or not, that's where gaming is heading. Consoles will probably still be part of all the ecosystems. But only one company has geared itself to be ahead of all the others in game and cloud services.

Jesus, they literally can go multiplatform with every game without having to put their games on the competitions platforms. They don't need Sony or Nintendo to do it. And can still put their games on virtually every screen you own. Plus they have well over a decade of gaming industry experience and hugely successful IP's to go with it! Not to mention they have more money than the other two.

The writing is literally on the wall.
Console sales havent been stagnate for generations. Growth is in PC, mobile, going multiplatform and sub plans.

With digital sales at about 75% I think and just about every game already with tons of mtx, there's only so much console makers can squeeze out that lucky twosome that fell in their laps since the X1/PS4 gen started. As crazy as it sounds, covid even helped as gamers were couped up at home buying more shit.

Despite gaming skyrocketing in gamers and sales, you'd think the console hardware base would zoom up the charts with it. But recent hardware sales are no different than the 2000-2010 era.
 

Hobbygaming

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Selling consoles is Sony's game. Hands down. But, this gen is changing rapidly. Console sales arent the be all anymore. Subscription and cloud services are. And Sony simply isn't prepared to deal with a 2 trillion dollar company with a hugely successful gaming service and the best cloud service out of all the big players. Like it or not, that's where gaming is heading. Consoles will probably still be part of all the ecosystems. But only one company has geared itself to be ahead of all the others in game and cloud services.

Jesus, they literally can go multiplatform with every game without having to put their games on the competitions platforms. They don't need Sony or Nintendo to do it. And can still put their games on virtually every screen you own. Plus they have well over a decade of gaming industry experience and hugely successful IP's to go with it! Not to mention they have more money than the other two.

The writing is literally on the wall.
PS5 sold out as soon as it was available for its first 2 years on the market

Now let's use the logic y'all use for game sales, there's what 2 billion gamers that have access to Gamepass at $1 but Gamepass is only at 25 million subs since 2017

Is that really growing fast compared to PS5 being at 21 million sales already before it's 3rd year
 

Hobbygaming

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Sorry, no, stay on topic. You're posting this kind of rhetoric in multiple threads at the moment. You said Microsoft was just running "more of the same". So I asked: "When was the last time Microsoft purchased two Publishers?" Self-evidently, Microsoft has changed its approach with Xbox this generation. How is investing USD$77 billion into Xbox "more of the same"?
No, you misunderstood me...

I'm saying next gen will be more of the same. MS will bring hype and the fans will hype something like usual, they will say PlayStation is going to lose badly and close their doors then PlayStation sells a ton of consoles and breaks records

It's the same song and dance
 

SafeOrAlone

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Xbox 360 BC is basically part of gamepass for the most part when the entry console doesn't have a DVD/BR drive. Most people won't search for X360 games to download in 2022 and people with the console can't slot their DVD's in (also true for people with Xbox One physical games), so it's down to whether these are games on gamepass or not.

People will search for whatever game they are interested in, so I’m not sure what you mean.

I recently purchased Zone of the Enders, Ninja Gaiden Black, and Final Fantasy X, which are all backwards compatible games I purchased from the store. They are not on GamePass.
 
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SLB1904

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Um, no. Where did I say such a thing? But they won't be the only one with heavy hitters. That's a fact! Starfield will be a juggernaut in and of itself. Not to mention HB II, Avowed and host of others. You're missing the forest for the trees.
That's literally bunch of assumptions
Hellblade is a sequel of a indie game that didn't even sold a million copies.
What makes you think it will be a juggernaut? Just because microft bought ninja theory?

You need to chill out dude. Let the games do the talk.
 

TheTony316

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That's literally bunch of assumptions
Hellblade is a sequel of a indie game that didn't even sold a million copies.
What makes you think it will be a juggernaut? Just because microft bought ninja theory?

You need to chill out dude. Let the games do the talk.

Hellblade was called a "one and done walking sim" by a certain group of people before MS bought the studio, lol.
 

Dolodolo

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They'll care when Starfield and the next Elder Scrolls release, or DOOM, etc. It's death by a thousand cuts. Each franchise may not be a big deal, but combined it gives gamers a real logical reason to support Xbox. Add CoD on top of that and this could be a nightmare scenario for Sony especially since MS is charging ahead full speed making sure their games are available to be played anywhere.
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I don't predict the future, I'm sorry
I'm not interested in posts like this.
When it happens, then it happens
And we're talking about now
 

Dolodolo

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Lol, you're just describing yourself here. You just insult me because you don't like what I say. Grow up man. If you disagree with what I say then let's have a discussion, but insulting posters will get you nowhere.
Where did you see the insult?
This is a quotation of a fact.
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anothertech

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This is what happens when you get no games for a year and the competition is about to announce their big show.

Insanity and doom.

If this is how the big heavyweight fight is going down, MS put down their gloves for an entire year. lol. Their about to get the shit kicked out of them when the next few years of games is announced.
 

Gudji

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Selling consoles is Sony's game. Hands down. But, this gen is changing rapidly. Console sales arent the be all anymore. Subscription and cloud services are. And Sony simply isn't prepared to deal with a 2 trillion dollar company with a hugely successful gaming service and the best cloud service out of all the big players. Like it or not, that's where gaming is heading. Consoles will probably still be part of all the ecosystems. But only one company has geared itself to be ahead of all the others in game and cloud services.

Jesus, they literally can go multiplatform with every game without having to put their games on the competitions platforms. They don't need Sony or Nintendo to do it. And can still put their games on virtually every screen you own. Plus they have well over a decade of gaming industry experience and hugely successful IP's to go with it! Not to mention they have more money than the other two.

The writing is literally on the wall.
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People will search for whatever game they are interested in, so I’m not sure what you mean.

I recently purchased Zone of the Enders, Ninja Gaiden Black, and Final Fantasy X, which are all backwards compatible games I purchased from the store. They are not on GamePass.
What I meant is...

Well, analogy time, there's an universe of films I haven't seen, but I'm not really interested in seeing them or I would, they simply exist, they precede me. They're old. People are getting into generations that way. The NES, Master System and 80's PC gaming kinda precede me, so although I played some games I don't feel at home in there.

Most people when it comes to films are not watching doctor zhivago, breakfast at tiffany's or the fly, they're seeing A. whatever the TV broadcast or streaming service gives them (that's gamepass) or B. going to the cinema to see the new marvel or some cool director new movie because of the marketing involved. Or when it comes to gaming, buying whatever they "heard of" and is on sale.

Old games and old movies, unless remastered, have no marketing budget. They stay off the radar except for the people that really want to play them. That's the point I'm making.

IMO, what brings more people back to an earlier entry of a franchise is internet/forums, nostalgia/fandom (and these two amount to a small percentage of the people buying consoles) and, direct sequels. You play Dark Souls 3 then decide to go back and play the previous numbered games because you enjoyed it so much.
 

Loxus

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Selling consoles is Sony's game. Hands down. But, this gen is changing rapidly. Console sales arent the be all anymore. Subscription and cloud services are. And Sony simply isn't prepared to deal with a 2 trillion dollar company with a hugely successful gaming service and the best cloud service out of all the big players. Like it or not, that's where gaming is heading. Consoles will probably still be part of all the ecosystems. But only one company has geared itself to be ahead of all the others in game and cloud services.

Jesus, they literally can go multiplatform with every game without having to put their games on the competitions platforms. They don't need Sony or Nintendo to do it. And can still put their games on virtually every screen you own. Plus they have well over a decade of gaming industry experience and hugely successful IP's to go with it! Not to mention they have more money than the other two.

The writing is literally on the wall.
PlayStation has all those boxes tick and more.


Is it me or a lot of people are sleeping on PlayStation streaming capabilities?
Xbox recently started diving into streaming and everyone acting like it's something new, when PlayStation been doing the same thing for years now.
 

skit_data

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In terms of content they have been more prepared than any other PS console. I’ve bought pretty much only first party PS games this gen so far and I still have a backlog of first party PS games.
 

MikeM

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Meh i’m pretty happy with the PS5. Working in the platinum for Plague Tale but also started the game on Series X because I really enjoyed it. Have to say, I REALLY noticed missing the Dualsense. While I am likely to play Plague Tale Requiem on GP, I am thinking about forgoing it and buying it on PS5 because of the Dualsense.

I’m a sub to both GP and PS Plus Premium and I’ve been getting killer value out of PS Plus with the bangers on there.
 

yurinka

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Selling consoles is Sony's game. Hands down. But, this gen is changing rapidly. Console sales arent the be all anymore.
Yes, consoles is the gaming platform where Sony focuses. But their main business specifically is to sell games (1st and 3rd party) for these consoles, not the console sales themselves.

Because in recent years there were the chips shortages related shipment issues, but Sony kept making more and more money, because they keep a huge active userbase from PS4 still playing and buying games every month.

Subscription and cloud services are. And Sony simply isn't prepared to deal with a 2 trillion dollar company with a hugely successful gaming service and the best cloud service out of all the big players.
Sony has the most successful game subscription and we have no data about other cloud gaming being more popular than Sony's one.

The 2 trillion dollar company has been competing against Sony since 20 years ago and Sony won them every generation. Sony doesn't seem affected by them, PS keeps growing in a multi year growth pattern.

Like it or not, that's where gaming is heading.
Game subscriptions and cloud gaming are a small part of the gaming market and the estimations for the next 5 years or so is that will grow a bit but the rest of the market will also grow, so will continue being a small part of the gaming market.

Consoles will probably still be part of all the ecosystems. But only one company has geared itself to be ahead of all the others in game and cloud services.

Jesus, they literally can go multiplatform with every game without having to put their games on the competitions platforms. They don't need Sony or Nintendo to do it. And can still put their games on virtually every screen you own. Plus they have well over a decade of gaming industry experience and hugely successful IP's to go with it! Not to mention they have more money than the other two.

The writing is literally on the wall.
If we look at the market numbers written in the wall they say Nintendo and Sony sell way consoles, and sell way more games for their consoles, and their exclusives sell way more and win more awards, and that their game subs have more subs.

There is no market data leading to think MS is going to affect them. They can be until forever with loses on their gaming division investing more and dozens billions every few years, but specially considering that on their platforms they are favoring game subs over game sales it would be a good idea to become more profitable to keep in the other consoles the biggest multiplatform IPs they bought (as they do with Minecraft) because these other consoles are the main revenue/profit source for these acquired companies and would help to compensate lost game sales in their platforms due to AAA included at launch on GP.
 
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Lognor

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That's literally bunch of assumptions
Hellblade is a sequel of a indie game that didn't even sold a million copies.
What makes you think it will be a juggernaut? Just because microft bought ninja theory?

You need to chill out dude. Let the games do the talk.
You're wrong. Hellblade sold over a million units. Do a little research before posting lies.

Ms is pumping a lot of money into hellblade 2. It's AAA. It will be interesting to see how it does going from an indie game to AAA. I really enjoyed the first game so I'll definitely be checking out the sequel day one.

Ninja theory is a great dev and now they have the backing of MS. Exciting stuff!!
 
360 beat PS3 that generation. by the time ps3 caught up the gen was over, the damage was done already. 360 was the console for that gen in mind share and sales for the most part. I dont see xbox winning again though since its a different team these days.

edit:i got a delusional fanboy mad, truth hurts lol
360 beat PS3 that generation....yeah you are a delusional fanboy cous the PS3 won, with a higer price and it came a year later and MS was screaming: the first one who reach the 10 mil. sold has won...But even with RRoD and many buying a new second ore third xbox360, yet they lost.
The PS3 sold better before the PS4 and Xbox One hitting the market, the gen was not over...so again you are the delusional fanboy, you know your self well, i give you that.😉
 
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Sony got games on PC that's a good strategy for the long term. I think sony needs a good racing game to compete against forza horizon series. One shooter as well against halo. Apart from that, they should do ps2 ps3 full backward compatibility.
Halo? Are you serious telling me Halo? Dude Halo is dying, and the killer is 343, and MS is letting them do it.
 

Banjo64

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Um, no. Where did I say such a thing? But they won't be the only one with heavy hitters. That's a fact! Starfield will be a juggernaut in and of itself. Not to mention HB II, Avowed and host of others. You're missing the forest for the trees.

Microsoft already has the best ecosystem and the best game subscription on the market. They'll also have an insane amount of top tier devs after the bid goes through. Divy all that up, and you've got perfect storm, so to speak. Why do you think Sony is so worried now? Don't delude yourself and deflect from what's in front of you. Sony will have stuff competition in the coming months. It could very well change the status quo in the coming years.
Starfield, TES, Fallout and Doom are juggernauts. Hellblade 2 is not. Fable and Avowed, I think it’ll depend on positive word of mouth and rave reviews.
 
I know it did but it was too late by then, the damage was done and the next gen was about to start. 360 beat ps3 that gen in mind share and sales. catching up when its irrelevant doesn't matter.
Again you are wrong like i sayd in an answer in another post of you where you said almost exactly the same argument.
 
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fallingdove

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Do you remember the 'PS4 has no games' memes from the first year or two of last gen?, exactly.
Problem is those memes did exist.

Those memes only existed in Xbox fanboy circles. Console launches never have “the gamezz” and fanboys, as they always do, try to redistribute the torment they have been on the receiving end of.

The difference is that Xbox has no games is chronic. Droughts are frequent and “but next year” is always the coping mechanism.

We will see if things improve with these acquisitions but I think we may continue to encounter issues with 1st party launch frequency as Microsoft tries to figure out how to actually manage creative production.
 

reinking

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I didn't realize the discourse on gaf was that bad these days. This place is chockful of fanboys.
I am starting to think we have more people on here that are only in it to see one company or the other die off rather than all three thrive. Too many are quick to go negative. It's not about gaming... ...it is about their chosen coproration "winning." Winning what? The ability to screw us all over with little choice in how and what gaming media we consume.
 
I don't think xbox ever gets close to sony like the 360 days ever again. I just don't see how. They are in different levels. Sony are forecasting 18m for the year. These are numbers Microsoft has never reached even during its peak with 360. They don't have the same selling power and never have.
 
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Lognor

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Halo? Are you serious telling me Halo? Dude Halo is dying, and the killer is 343, and MS is letting them do it.
If Halo is dying, Sony still doesn't have anything close to competing with it. That's why they were paying off devs for exclusive content and such in COD, Destiny, etc. What do you think will be easier? Building a marquee fps from scratch or reviving a dying Halo? Clearly the latter so Sony is still in trouble on the fps front, especially after they lose COD in a few years.

I don't think xbox ever gets close to sony like the 360 days ever again. I just don't see how. They are in different levels. Sony are forecasting 18m for the year. These are numbers Microsoft has never reached even during its peak with 360. They don't have the same selling power and never have.

It's not the same landscape though. In the 360 days Game Pass or PS Now didn't exist. Now they do. Microsoft is going beyond Xbox. Sony is trying to do the same, but they are well behind on those fronts. Sony relies almost entirely on PS5 sales to generate revenue. Microsoft has diversified a lot better and can rely on other fronts rather than solely Xbox sales.
 
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Sosokrates

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I don't think xbox ever gets close to sony like the 360 days ever again. I just don't see how. They are in different levels. Sony are forecasting 18m for the year. These are numbers Microsoft has never reached even during its peak with 360. They don't have the same selling power and never have.

I guess production could be a bottle neck.
But I think when xbox game studios end the dev cycles (which are due). People will get whatever device to play there games, seriesS will just exacerbate this.
 
I don't think xbox ever gets close to sony like the 360 days ever again. I just don't see how. They are in different levels. Sony are forecasting 18m for the year. These are numbers Microsoft has never reached even during its peak with 360. They don't have the same selling power and never have.
3-4 years from now with Game Pass even bigger and if their 1st party is churning games out, will be interesting to see. Gamers at the end of the day don’t have the kind of loyalty us GAF dorks do.
 

Hobbygaming

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If Halo is dying, Sony still doesn't have anything close to competing with it. That's why they were paying off devs for exclusive content and such in COD, Destiny, etc. What do you think will be easier? Building a marquee fps from scratch or reviving a dying Halo? Clearly the latter so Sony is still in trouble on the fps front, especially after they lose COD in a few years.



It's not the same landscape though. In the 360 days Game Pass or PS Now didn't exist. Now they do. Microsoft is going beyond Xbox. Sony is trying to do the same, but they are well behind on those fronts. Sony relies almost entirely on PS5 sales to generate revenue. Microsoft has diversified a lot better and can rely on other fronts rather than solely Xbox sales.
Sony is focusing on today's gamer 1st

Most of us really don't care about cloud gaming and it's why you rarely hear about Stadia or Xcloud
 

nocsi

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3-4 years from now with Game Pass even bigger and if their 1st party is churning games out, will be interesting to see. Gamers at the end of the day don’t have the kind of loyalty us GAF dorks do.
So 3-4 years from now when MS has to switch from subscriber-building and bleeding money to turning a profit. They’re doing the same thing as Netflix and Hulu, build up a subscriber base before pulling the rug and 2-3x the price.

Modern gaming is amazing, people forking over money to not end up not owning anything.
 
So 3-4 years from now when MS has to switch from subscriber-building and bleeding money to turning a profit. They’re doing the same thing as Netflix and Hulu, build up a subscriber base before pulling the rug and 2-3x the price.

Modern gaming is amazing, people forking over money to not end up not owning anything.
That’s weird because Xbox has been quite profitable the past few years but I suppose you are an expert. Man that sucks though that you can still buy all those games. Sounds like a real dilemma. Shrug.
 
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I am starting to think we have more people on here that are only in it to see one company or the other die off rather than all three thrive. Too many are quick to go negative. It's not about gaming... ...it is about their chosen coproration "winning." Winning what? The ability to screw us all over with little choice in how and what gaming media we consume.
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I'm not interested in a lot of PlayStation's 1st party offerings, but goddamn I don't want them to not be successful. Arrogant MS leads to the Xbox One reveal, the same as Arrogant Sony telling you to get a second job to afford the PS3, and raising the price of the PS5 in the sectors where they have no competition.

I want these two companies at each other's throats to shower us with good shit.
 

sono

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When I read about VR I wish Sony would put PS5 with VR demo stations in retail stores. Why do they think folk will take a risk on spending £500+ on something they havent personally experienced first.? (UK) esp in cost of living crisis .

(For example In another thread on gaf I see hzd great impression)
 

Ozzie666

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I'm starting to think Sony was extremely lucky with PS2. It had the games, it had the PS1 momentum, but it also benefited from mistakes made by other companies. Early 2000 was a real strange time in video games. Sony should be hugging the DVD player every night. I wouldn't call it a fluke, but they had a lot go their way. The PS4 was pretty much perfection from Sony after the disaster of the PS3 and the demise of the Vita occurring. They have been under prepared and bailed before. Lucky they are much healthier than clumsy Sega.
 

Jormatar

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For every Starfield and Fable out there, Sony can match those with Naughty Dog's new IP or Cory Barlog's next game. Sony will absolutely be fine.
 
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