Md Ray
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These Gen4 drives were released only recently... Around the same time or a month before the new consoles came out.
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Sony open up M2 SSD port to beta testers of system software
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Md Ray
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Say it louder for the people in the back!
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Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Excited for this. I'm already having to shuffle games. Will seriously consider the 2TB option, just to be done with it for awhile.
Topher
Gold Member
That's what they had to do to deliver non-proprietary expansion. "Pro consumer"
DarkMage619
$MSFT
I think we are starting to see why MS went the proprietary route. Doing it that way guaranteed compatibility and ease of use, things consoles are known for. It also was a working solution from day one. Looking at the prices for the NVME drives you really aren't getting the major savings the 'open' solution promised either. I hope that the differences in the drive type won't affect game performance but I'm certain there will be some variances. I suppose if the MS drive never drops in price or goes up in price while these drop we can at least get a price advantage at some point in time. I guess now the only real question is when will all PS5 owners be able to use the expansion bay. Maybe next month or the next.
ManaByte
Gold Member
People ran with 7GB/s because that's what's available on the PC side..
No but you'd better know how to install the heatsink and thermal pads correctly.
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hroerekr
Member
I'm about to pull the trigger for this one. What heatsink you have?
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Bam, only 7 left in stock. Didn't say that when I ordered earlier. LOL.
I do have to wonder whether it's kinda normal to have one of these held together by (maybe elastic?) bands:
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Tripolygon
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I will have to disagree with you on that one. 7GB/s SSD were not really on the market then. People ran with it because 7GB/s was on the slide when he was discussing what PCIE 3x4 vs 4x4 lanes will give you. 3GB/s vs 7GB/s. The claim people started making was you needed at least 7GB/s to make up for the 6 priority queues the internal SSD have. When what he said was you needed at least 5.5GB or a little extra.
I remember because people were making up numbers back then too, like for example this little nugget.
to which I replied back then
No they didn't say that. Where did 8GB/s even come from?
What Mark Cerny said was that;
"and so the m.2 drive needs a little extra speed to take care of issues arising from the different approach"
I can understand if people claim 7GB/s because he did have that slide up that showed the full capability of 4x PCIE 4.0 drive. He never actually said that you need 7GB/s, what he said was any SSD you add "has to be at least as fast as ours" plus "a little extra speed to take care of issues arising from" having to arbitrate the extra priority level.
I think people are misinterpreting what he said to mean you need at least 7GB/s.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
They were on the market because I bought the WD one and it's in my PC right now.
Tripolygon
Banned
Which one did you buy back then that was 7GB/s? Because I had been keeping track to compile lists of possible SSD that would be compatible with PS5. Back in 2020 the SSDs on the market then were around 6GB read at the highest end but majority were around 4 - 5GB/s read and much less write.
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FranXico
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The compartment is passively cooled, so the SSD needs a heatsink. Built-in or 3rd party, there needs to be one.
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Topher
Gold Member
Are we talking about at the time of Cerny's presentation or PS5 launch? The WD drive was released in October 2020.
Mark Cerny said they would provide a list of tested compatible SSDs.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
I have the 2TB WD SN850.
WD_BLACK™ SN850 NVMe™ SSD PCIe® Gen4 for PC or Laptop | Western Digital
Long load times are obsolete with next-gen PCIe® Gen4 technology. Arm your system with RGB lighting, an optional heatsink model, and up to 2TB1 capacity.
I'm talking about around launch.
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Md Ray
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"little nugget"I will have to disagree with you on that one. 7GB/s SSD were not really on the market then. People ran with it because 7GB/s was on the slide when he was discussing what PCIE 3x4 vs 4x4 lanes will give you. 3GB/s vs 7GB/s. The claim people started making was you needed at least 7GB/s to make up for the 6 priority cues the internal SSD have. When what he said was you needed at least 5.5GB or a little extra.
I remember because people were making up numbers back then too, like for example this little nugget.
to which I replied back then
No they didn't say that. Where did 8GB/s even come from?
What Mark Cerny said was that;
"and so the m.2 drive needs a little extra speed to take care of issues arising from the different approach"
I can understand if people claim 7GB/s because he did have that slide up that showed the full capability of 4x PCIE 4.0 drive. He never actually said that you need 7GB/s, what he said was any SSD you add "has to be at least as fast as ours" plus "a little extra speed to take care of issues arising from" having to arbitrate the extra priority level.
I think people are misinterpreting what he said to mean you need at least 7GB/s.
Lmao... 8GB/s... Just straight up pulling numbers out of their backsides. Textbook e.g. of spreading FUD.
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Kazekage1981
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Tripolygon
Banned
We are talking about the discussion post Cerny talk about SSD requirement. You joined the wrong discussion if you are talking about around launch.
Topher
Gold Member
Sony never said that.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Perhaps that list will come out after all of the beta testers footing the bill to own all variants of M.2 NVME drives finish submitting their findings to Sony and then they filter through what's acceptable and what's the best to own. Who knows.
Topher
Gold Member
Sony also said they are doing their own testing.
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Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I was kidding man... mostly. /Sarcasm... y'know? I don't honestly believe that they would rely on crowdfunded research when they pay people for that stuff. If they relied on beta testers info, and something cause issues in devices, they'd be open to class action suits.
Topher
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Sony should be the ones testing these drives since they have these requirements in place. At no level is it ok for the consumer to be guinea pigs for them.
Topher
Gold Member
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I was kidding around. I don't believe this is really the case. Still, what could happen with this is that PS5 beta testers could share their info/experiences (even if there's something in place to say they shouldn't) and people draw their own conclusions.
Again though, I was just kidding, and would think that a manufacturer of the product using crowdsourced testing over their own wouldn't happen. It is interesting, however, that there is beta testing OS software with this included, unless, they needed to beta test the OS release and couldn't exclude it for some reason.
Mr Moose
Member
Or they could've sold an adapter that fits all types of m.2 drives in it and saved people money.
It's a 2.4GB/s drive.
You can get a 7GB/s 1TB for £165 + 10 for a heatsink.
Might have fucked up the hotswap functionality though.
I will add, it might not matter for you or might.
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Neo_game
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The only good thing about Microsoft solution is that it is very dummy proof. It is both slower and expensive. Sony solution is definitely better if it works as intended. I doubt many are even going to guy the extra storage.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I get what you're saying but testing in real world conditions is going to provide different telemetry than controlled testing. Someone is always going to do something that you don't plan for.
What legit puzzles me is how anyone chooses to sigh up for a beta with hardware they've paid so much for. As much as I want memory expansion I don't want to brick my console or a $200 SSD I bought out of pocket to test this stuff for free.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Interesting that they don't have a hard requirement on speed, just a recommendation.
I want to see Ratchet tested with a slow M2 just for fun.
I want to see Ratchet tested with a slow M2 just for fun.
Vasto
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Gamerguy84
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I like Sony solution here. Designed the system once again for an easy upgrade option so extremely user friendly.
Fast storage up to 4TB and cheaper than proprietary system.
Fast storage up to 4TB and cheaper than proprietary system.
ManaByte
Gold Member
dotnotbot
Member
It just works.
So overpriced proprietary extensions for PS Vita were bad, now when Sony gives you freedom it's also bad?
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longdi
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You may be right. I guess that levels of speed with ps5 internal ssd, is in excess of what this gen of games requires.
Hence Sony is fine to leave a disclaimer of potential performance difference with various SSD you can use.
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Hypno285
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Holy shit, I'd never pay this much for storage: 4TB,Up to 5600 MBps,Over 6000 MBps Internal SSDs | Newegg.com
With 200GB games you're gonna need that much storage. I only have 11 games installed and I already used up 1/4 of my 4TB's. The largest game being warzone.
With 200GB games you're gonna need that much storage. I only have 11 games installed and I already used up 1/4 of my 4TB's. The largest game being warzone.
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
The Xbox is a console. Having to go out and buy an additional adapter isn't easier for the customer. Also the speed of the Xbox solution has been on par with what the PlayStation offers despite PlayStation's being so much faster on paper. It's also been proven that for the PS5 to fully take advantage of that speed it has to be specifically coded for. Also £165 is $230 is MORE than the Xbox card currently. I don't think that suggestion is better than what is currently available for Xbox now.
The MS solution is fitting for a console. Consoles are proprietary by definition. The speed argument is meaningless when it doesn't equal to much in real world conditions. More than twice the speed of Xbox's card, are you seeing significantly faster loading on all games with the PS5 currently? If I remember correctly there has even been some games that have loaded faster on Xbox which is amazing. The price is the same or even less than what Sony's solution is offering right now. Well that and it works today and we have no idea when Sony's solution will become active. This is just an area when it sounded good on paper but as we can see the actual implementation is less impressive.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
This freedom hasn't shown savings, nor an ease of use advantage. It also still doesn't work yet. Consoles were supposed to be easy. I'm pretty sure the PS Vita solution worked from day one.
Topher
Gold Member
The price of standard SSD is going to drop over the course of this generation much more than proprietary solutions. That has proven to be the case time and time again generation after generation. So the price right now and the price years two, three, and so on into the generation are not going to be the same.
That is the advantage of non-proprietary. Is proprietary easier and less confusing? Yes. So there are pros and cons to each. Personally, as a PC gamer, I'll take standard solutions over proprietary every time.
dotnotbot
Member
Significant savings if you keep price/performance ratio in mind. For the same price Microsoft gives you 2400 MB/s 1TB drive you can buy 5500-7000 MB/s 1TB drive for PS5.
It's not the first time you can upgrade internal storage in your console this way. PS3, PS4 and Xbox One all give you an option to exchange internal HDD with any you want. But now it's suddenly a huge problem because you need to use a screwdriver.
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Mr Moose
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Oh yeah, I forgot people were scared of screws last year when PS5s SSD bay was shown.
Cheapest Amazon US price for the SSD I mentioned was $179 in April.
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Tripolygon
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Like I said, it looks like what they are looking for is read speed and not write speed. And welp, I hope that benchmark is not gonna lock out slightly slower SSDs if they don't match 5.5GB/s. Lmao
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Saiyan-Rox
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I take it this update isn't out just yet?