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Sony open up M2 SSD port to beta testers of system software

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You greatly underestimate the ignorance of the average consumer, for the average consumer which this product is a 90th percentile this is a clusterfuck. Also that's not correct, Microsoft's drive is not half as slow as Sony's. There's a big difference between the way they advertised their SSD's.

Microsoft only ever advertised the sustained speed of their SSD, sustained speed. Sony on the other hand advertised theoretical peak speed and never mentioned sustained. Given the actual results in games it appears that Sony and Microsoft's drives both in sustained and peak performance function virtually the same.

Per usual people such as yourself got hook, lined and sinkered by marketing snake oil.

Considering how much people like you were hooked, lined and sinkered by MS branded snake oil about the unparalleled power of the Xbox Series X with its amazing GPU running everything at native 4K 60fps with full ray tracing and the Xbox Series S being a Series X at 1440p for the whole 2020 and then being served with the reality of many games running better on PS5 this is incredibly funny to read :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Also do you realize that they're requiring SSDs to have at least the 5.5GB/s bandwidth that was advertised for the console and even then they can't 100% guarantee the exact same performance of the internal drive while Microsoft's SSD card is just a standard 2.4GB/s Seagate card? So everything you have written about the hard drives speed of the two consoles being actually the same is your own fantasy?:messenger_grinning_sweat: Some multiplatform cross gen games are never going to use certain features at its peak potential.
 

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this is complicated as fuck for no reason. i should just be able to walk into best buy and buy something that says "PS5 expandable storage" and then not worry about it again. Console gaming becomes less and less like console gaming and more and more complicated like pc gaming and I hate it

Compared to this, yes.

Video Games Scarlett GIF by Xbox
 
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Not all games are necessarily playable with the exact same performance provided by the PS5 console’s internal Ultra-High Speed SSD, even where the M.2 SSD device’s sequential read speed is faster than 5500MB/s.

So you potentially can't wrap through the rifts if you play R&C on the SSD expansion? Lmao.

I got the code but I guess have to hold off till I see more.
 

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Videos are like this are nonsense. This thing literally just plugs in. All you need to is pop open the PS5 cover.

MS's proprietary SSDs look good now but thats because the PS5 SSDs literally just came out. They will drop down in price. They will be far more affordable than MS's SSD, not to mention far more capable.

No one should ever be celebrating proprietary anything. I remember when MS would charge $120 for 40 GB HDDs on the 360 and all the arcade users had no other choice but to pay up. Meanwhile you could get a similar HDD on the PS3 for less than half the price. Same thing with their proprietary headsets.

MS has done A LOT of consumer friendly things this gen. This is not one we should be celebrating. Especially when Sony has made it very easy to install this thing.
 

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Are the people complaining even apart of the beta? By the time the beta ends there will be loads of compatibility lists online to help you choose. I also see Sony publishing their own list as well since they are working alongside SSD manufacturers.
 
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Elios83

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Are the people complaining even apart of the beta? By the time the beta ends there will be loads of compatibility lists online to help you choose.

The only ones complaining are Xbox fans, you can ask yourself why :messenger_grinning_sweat:
In the meantime in the real world the average consumer won't give a fuck about spending 200-400$ just to have extra hard drive space while gamers who are truly interested will simply do like you suggested, wait a couple of weeks and read on DF and other tech websites or youtube channels which is the best model to buy with heatsink included.
 

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And here we go.......................................Just as expected with the ignorance. Trying telling that to the soccer mom. This is why companies get away with murder. Or heck try telling that to the common gamer who is not a nerd like yourself
WTF? What decade are you living in eh? You don't need to be a nerd to install the SSD in the PS5. Youtube exists and don't tell me soccer mums don't have access to it eh? You can watch a video an idiot could follow. People have done far more complex things just from a tutorial on Youtube.
 

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Ouch, this seems like a complete hassle, and Sony should have thought about this, this is not going to go well for the common consumer who does know about specs and what to buy for expanded storage. I don't understand why Sony went this route and could not do what Xbox just did and make their own storage or sooner or later allowed companies to make their own. This is stupid and a big turn-off for me and the people that will defend it are the reason why companies get away with such stupidity such as this hassle and the fact that you have to beta test this is funny.
this is complicated as fuck for no reason. i should just be able to walk into best buy and buy something that says "PS5 expandable storage" and then not worry about it again. Console gaming becomes less and less like console gaming and more and more complicated like pc gaming and I hate it

This was always the case for Sony home consoles, you could use any HDD that fitted target specs and those parts are from PC market.

"Soccer moms" and "casuals" will just stay within the limit of current internal console memory or use cold storage just like they do NOW. People with average intelligence and in the need of more storage will easily install M2 SSD.
 
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Nah....they are right. In fact, I am now quite certain that the end of the world will be the result of the inability of the general populace to operate a screw driver.

atomic bomb explosion GIF

With my PC I have to take out a bunch of screws and then unscrew the motherboard to flip it over so I can replace the NVME. That's more complicated then what you have to do with the PS5.
 

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They're gonna have to start selling PS5 branded heatsinks :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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Aqua computer kryoM.2 micro.

This guy made a comparison of different heatsinks.

Looks like the height of the KyroM.2 Micro is maybe a hair too tall? 8.636mm where they show it shouldn't be more than 8mm?

 
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this is complicated as fuck for no reason. i should just be able to walk into best buy and buy something that says "PS5 expandable storage" and then not worry about it again. Console gaming becomes less and less like console gaming and more and more complicated like pc gaming and I hate it
Agreed. I always felt the biggest benefit to console gaming was ease of use. I don't see this storage solution fitting that philosophy at all. I'm also interested to see the cost savings once this is fully implemented. I have a feeling the costs will be a lot closer than some people theorize. If the costs are similar what was the big benefit to this route?
 

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Looks like the height of the KyroM.2 Micro is maybe a hair too tall? 8.636mm where they show it shouldn't be more than 8mm?

I might be reading this wrong but it should fit(?)

Total size including cooling structure:
In millimeters: smaller than 110mm (L) x 25mm (W) x 11.25mm (H).

Agreed. I always felt the biggest benefit to console gaming was ease of use. I don't see this storage solution fitting that philosophy at all. I'm also interested to see the cost savings once this is fully implemented. I have a feeling the costs will be a lot closer than some people theorize. If the costs are similar what was the big benefit to this route?
Didn't I tell you already? My memory is shit so it might've been someone else. You could get a SN850 1TB (7GB/s) for $179 in April. Throw on a $10 heatsink, that's a saving of (and >2x speed) $30.
 
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Agreed. I always felt the biggest benefit to console gaming was ease of use. I don't see this storage solution fitting that philosophy at all. I'm also interested to see the cost savings once this is fully implemented. I have a feeling the costs will be a lot closer than some people theorize. If the costs are similar what was the big benefit to this route?
You mean the storage solution that has existed on two previous Sony consoles with zero to no complaints. And if that doesn't work you still have cold storage available. OPTIONS.
 

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Agreed. I always felt the biggest benefit to console gaming was ease of use. I don't see this storage solution fitting that philosophy at all. I'm also interested to see the cost savings once this is fully implemented. I have a feeling the costs will be a lot closer than some people theorize. If the costs are similar what was the big benefit to this route?
In the long run this is definitely the better approach but short term the ease of use of MS approach is probably a great marketing point.
I imagine a Sony certified branded SSD will be available though at some point.(at a massively inflated price like Nintendo branded SD cards).

Also there will be 5 million YouTube tutorials by next year, I wouldn't worry, just need to flex the old grey matter a bit like PC users😉.
 

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I might be reading this wrong but it should fit(?)

Total size including cooling structure:
In millimeters: smaller than 110mm (L) x 25mm (W) x 11.25mm (H).



I'm not sure, it's that bottom side view image where they show the height in total must be less than 8.8mm. The total height for the product listed on Amazon.com page shows .34 inches which is 8.636mm. Now, I'm not sure if that's the combined height with the board and thermal sheet or not. It's not really clear to me.

"Dimensions ca. 70 x 24 x 9 mm incl. mounting clips Scope of Delivery Passive heat sink made from anodised aluminium Two stainless steel clips Thermal pad Protective film for SSD rear Please note: SSD not included."

To me, this reads that it is slightly too tall even without the SSD... unless I'm reading that wrong too.
Edit: the SSD not included part is just them saying they're not selling the SSD, however, now that I understood that part, it's still perhaps .2mm too tall at 9mm?

Note: Complete section from page:

Product description​

The kryoM.2 micro is a passive heat sink for single-sided M.2 SSDs and is compatible with design size 2280. kryoM.2 micro Highlights High-quality heat sink made from black anodised aluminium with laser engraving Stainless steel clips for easy and secure installation Includes high-quality thermal pad Includes self-adhesive protective film for electrical insulation for the stainless steel clips The kryoM.2 micro simply clips onto the SSD with the included stainless steel clips made from spring steel. The included thermal pad is placed between the SSD and the cooler beforehand. Its cooling power is sufficient for many uses, and the heat sink's small dimensions make it perfect for virtually all motherboard makes and models. The SSD does not undergo any mechanical stress during assembly. The clips attach from the sides and reach just over the edges of the aluminium piece. They do not touch the card's edges. Dimensions ca. 70 x 24 x 9 mm incl. mounting clips Scope of Delivery Passive heat sink made from anodised aluminium Two stainless steel clips Thermal pad Protective film for SSD rear Please note: SSD not included. Compatible with M.2 design size 2280 (width 22 mm, length 80 mm), height S1/S2/S3 (single-sided, maximum component height 1.2/1.35/1.5 mm, up to max. 2.3 mm incl. PCB).
 
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Agreed. I always felt the biggest benefit to console gaming was ease of use. I don't see this storage solution fitting that philosophy at all. I'm also interested to see the cost savings once this is fully implemented. I have a feeling the costs will be a lot closer than some people theorize. If the costs are similar what was the big benefit to this route?

There's a lot of competition in the PC market and new tech always drives down the price of older tech. You will see a drastic decrease in the price of PS5 compatible NVMEs.

As for ease of use it's pretty simple for the majority of people and there are plenty of guides on how to do it.

You're definitely not soldering chips onto the Mobo to expand the memory.
 
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I love how at the 40 second mark there's a notification while they're using the PS5 that it turned off to save power. Seems stable.
All PS4s & PS5s go into rest mode automatically after like 3-5 hours of inactivity. Its the basic power saving settings.

Has nothing to do with any stability. It goes into rest mode if you leave it on doing nothing for like 3 hours lol.

I have it do the same with my controller after 10 mins of no use too, saves battery.

Which btw, can be disabled in settings so it will stay on forever and waste energy when not being used.




I have the 850 with out the heatsink. Yall think it matters?
Probably should buy a $10 heatsink off Amazon just in case. Try without and then try with, who knows lol.

Like this one is low profile, will fit inside, and costs $10.

 

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Some of the drives already come with heatsinks so I don't think it will be that much of an issue.

it will as casuals won’t know what to buy. This is why Sony should sell their own SSD that’s PlayStation branded. Not all console owners are into taking things apart like pcs.
 
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5GB/s (at least) is twice as fast as 2.4GB/s.
You clearly don't understand the delineation between sustained speed and theoretical peak speed. The Series X SSD operates at 2.4GB/s sustained. That is the slowest the drive will ever operate in worst-case scenarios and for extended usage.

Microsoft never disclosed their theoretical peak speeds, their entire angle has been about what the drive can sustain, not about its random read and write potential. Based upon other drives with sustained speed similar to that it's most likely around 5GB/s.
 

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All PS4s & PS5s go into rest mode automatically after like 3-5 hours of inactivity. Its the basic power saving settings.

Has nothing to do with any stability. It goes into rest mode if you leave it on doing nothing for like 3 hours lol.

I have it do the same with my controller after 10 mins of no use too, saves battery.

Which btw, can be disabled in settings so it will stay on forever and waste energy when not being used.





Probably should buy a $10 heatsink off Amazon just in case. Try without and then try with, who knows lol.

Like this one is low profile, will fit inside, and costs $10.


About the rest mode, thanks. Someone did point that out earlier in the thread on my comment. I didn't know that was the cause, and thought it was just a bug that the message popped up. I appreciate the information either way.

In regards to the heat sink, the product page shows the dimensions as:
Item Dimensions LxWxH ‎L: 2.76 IN x W: 0.2 IN x H:0.87In
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Item Dimensions LxWxH ‎L: 70.104mm x W: 0.5.08mm x H:22.098mm

Something seems off about that height measurement, but.. maybe it's right.

If I read that right, wouldn't the height on that be too tall as well?
 

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You clearly don't understand the delineation between sustained speed and theoretical peak speed. The Series X SSD operates at 2.4GB/s sustained. That is the slowest the drive will ever operate in worst-case scenarios and for extended usage.

Microsoft never disclosed their theoretical peak speeds, their entire angle has been about what the drive can sustain, not about its random read and write potential. Based upon other drives with sustained speed similar to that it's most likely around 5GB/s.
*Slaps sticker* 5GB/s!
 
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Been sitting on a Samsung 980 Pro for this very update but I am not beta testing. Once the masses figure out whether I need a heatsink or not, I'll know I'm all set. Test away folks!
 
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Manufacturers only have to put a sticker on the box. It really is that easy.
Manufacturers are definitely going to update their overall packaging as well. I can already see Western Digital, Samsung, and other major companies doing the same thing they are doing now with external HDDs; flip the box over and just look for PS5 on the compatibility list.
 
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Manufacturers are definitely going to update their overall packaging as well. I can already see Western Digital, Samsung, and other major companies doing the same thing they are doing now with external HDDs; flip the box over and just look for PS5 on the compatibility list.

Plus most casuals can read so it's easy for them to look at a list of compatible drives. I'm certain Sony will work with manufacturers to make this as easy as possible.
 

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Videos are like this are nonsense. This thing literally just plugs in. All you need to is pop open the PS5 cover.

MS's proprietary SSDs look good now but thats because the PS5 SSDs literally just came out. They will drop down in price. They will be far more affordable than MS's SSD, not to mention far more capable.

No one should ever be celebrating proprietary anything. I remember when MS would charge $120 for 40 GB HDDs on the 360 and all the arcade users had no other choice but to pay up. Meanwhile you could get a similar HDD on the PS3 for less than half the price. Same thing with their proprietary headsets.

MS has done A LOT of consumer friendly things this gen. This is not one we should be celebrating. Especially when Sony has made it very easy to install this thing.

That's who these fat youtuber bitches get their clicks...
 

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I just got myself a 2TB T7 for PS4 games and I will get an HDD for PS5 games when storage becomes an issue. It only takes a few minutes at most to move games back and forth.
 

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it will as casuals won’t know what to buy. This is why Sony should sell their own SSD that’s PlayStation branded. Not all console owners are into taking things apart like pcs.
Sony has been doing this since PS3. Why just now is complicated? They already said they will release a list of compatible SSD, and there will be more than enough info about that when the beta tests ends.

Casuals dont want or need to expand they storage to begin with, they play Fifa and GTA5 the entire generation.

Proprietary stuff is always overpriced. Ppl should be happy they have an open market of options from diferent manufactors all competing with eachother lowering the prices over the years.
 

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You clearly don't understand the delineation between sustained speed and theoretical peak speed. The Series X SSD operates at 2.4GB/s sustained. That is the slowest the drive will ever operate in worst-case scenarios and for extended usage.

Microsoft never disclosed their theoretical peak speeds, their entire angle has been about what the drive can sustain, not about its random read and write potential. Based upon other drives with sustained speed similar to that it's most likely around 5GB/s.
Cool story but you are wrong.

1. PCIe Gen 4x2 has a max theoretical bandwidth of 4GB/s so out of the gate your 5GB/s theory is out the window. Think before you type.

2. No storage, SSD or otherwise can guarantee sustained performance, this depends on the type, size of file you are copying, cache etc. We can test this theory by seeing how fast you can transfer a game between XSX internal and expansion card.


From this test it takes 1:13 or 73 seconds to transfer 39GB ~ 550MB/s

An SSD with guaranteed sustained 2.4GB/s should take ~17 seconds

We can do the same with PS5 as well based on this video transfer of 33GB game it takes 32 seconds ~ 1GB/s

An SSD with a guaranteed sustained 5.5GB/s should take 7 seconds
 
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-Casuals won't upgrade. They play a few games a year and delete the old. Downloading an old game again is easy and your progress and saved data stays on the console.

-Soccer moms wont need to do this, they don't even know the wifi password.

-This is literally the same thing as the PS4. The people that upgraded will be the ones that add a drive.

-This is adding storage it's not necessary to function. There are other options like external storage.

-There are already videos but I'm sure Sony will add one that simplifies this simple process.
 
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Just a word to all those people thinking that these HDD/SSD prices will drop quickly and sharply - have you looked at the price of *normal* HDDs lately? A 2x10TB external drive I bought back in march for AUD$450 is now over AUD$1000, directly from the manufacturer. HDD availability is also terrible. With high speed drives being used for mining, the chances of prices dropping any time soon are pretty slim.

MS won't raise the price of their proprietary expansion drive for the Xbox. Companies that make these high speed SSDs that the PS5 uses absolutely will, because they already are.
 
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-Casuals won't upgrade. They play a few games a year and delete the old. Downloading an old game again is easy and your progress and saved data stays on the console.

-Soccer moms wont need to do this, they don't even know the wifi password.

-This is literally the same thing as the PS4. The people that upgraded will be the ones that add a drive.

-This is adding storage it's not necessary to function. There are other options like external storage.

-There are already videos but I'm sure Sony will add one that simplifies this simple process.
This is also just like the PS3 where they allowed you to use off the shelf hard drives to install. I didn’t see people back then whine and complain about screwdrivers.
 
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"sizes for cooling structures (like heatsinks) vary greatly."

I can see some people purchasing cheaper SSDs with smaller or no heatsinks at all, installing them on their PS5, and then wondering why their games are crashing once the console heats up. PS5 owners are going to spend hundreds of dollars to be guinea pigs because Sony couldn't bother to plan accordingly with manufacturers.

People might give the Xbox drives shit but that pretty much sums it up..it just works.

No fucking around pulling apart your ps5 which most consumers won’t do…no worrying about heat sinks or your ps5 getting hotter and louder and no worrying about if a game is going to have issues if you install it on an external drive.
 

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Just a word to all those people thinking that these HDD/SSD prices will drop quickly and sharply - have you looked at the price of *normal* HDDs lately? A 2x10TB external drive I bought back in march for AUD$450 is now over AUD$1000, directly from the manufacturer. HDD availability is also terrible. With high speed drives being used for mining, the chances of prices dropping any time soon are pretty slim.

MS won't raise the price of their proprietary expansion drive for the Xbox. Companies that make these high speed SSDs that the PS5 uses absolutely will, because they already are.
The price has dropped and it is trending downwards. Take this PNY CS3040 1TB 5.6GB/s for example


Or take this Corsair’s Force MP600 1TB which the verge used to test

 

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People might give the Xbox drives shit but that pretty much sums it up..it just works.

No fucking around pulling apart your ps5 which most consumers won’t do…no worrying about heat sinks or your ps5 getting hotter and louder and no worrying about if a game is going to have issues if you install it on an external drive.

Ok......you still haven't explained how you bought that Samsung SSD months ahead of its actual release date, but whatever . You seem to make this all up as you go.

spongebob squarepants lol GIF
 

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The price has dropped and it is trending downwards. Take this PNY CS3040 1TB 5.6GB/s for example


Or take this Corsair’s Force MP600 1TB which the verge used to test

That shows that its basically stabilized. Most of your graphs there were before SSD/HDD mining caught on.