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Sophia Narwitz: Gaming journalism insider outs 'clique' that does not tolerate right leaning newcomers

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We need to bring back 90's style gaming journalism. I'd pay for that.
Remember what fun was before they came? When it was about you and the games? Remember when one page of E3 coverage out of 50 had more games announced than all of modern E3?



 
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It's obvious that you're just trying to stir shit up, but you should really learn how to read. If you read my post, you'll see that I made no comment on who should or should not be hired. I merely pointed how absurd Jason's claims were. He has proven himself to be a coward with thin skin. He's too unhinged to deal with reality, and anyone who takes his side is similarly unhinged.

Some of you sure do love accusing anyone capable of picking apart your flimsy positions of stirring shit up. I did read your post. Is this not what you said?

Jason Schreier has basically confirmed what Sophia Narwitz has reported. He can't name a single right-leaning employee at his organization, and he has blocked anyone who has challenged him on this issue. He could have shut this entire debate down in 20 seconds if he was right about this being "conspiracy theory nonsense." Instead, he ran back to the safety of his bubble. Obviously, the guy is too unhinged to deal with the real world.

If he can't name a single right leaning employee, at least one who is openly so, it could be that they are not welcome. Now, of course, people who side with the premise of this thread will point towards that as evidence of a conspiracy against "right leaning" personalities in the gaming press, predictably making false charges of censorship and group think, never considering their absence being a expected culmination of progress. It doesn't register with them that you can't find a a single corner of the media at large, excluding Fox News, where "right leaning" personalities are tolerated - and even Fox is hesitant to welcome within their ranks true believers of the right, hiring only cynical grifters whose trade consists of shoveling red meat into the mouths of the 60 or 70 million rubes who gorge on it.
 
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Some of you sure do love accusing anyone capable of picking apart your flimsy positions of stirring shit up. I did read your post. Is this not what you said?



If he can't name a single right leaning employee, at least one who is openly so, it could be that they are not welcome. Now, of course, people who side with the premise of this thread will point towards that as evidence of a conspiracy against "right leaning" personalities in the gaming press, predictably making false charges of censorship and group think, never considering their absence being a expected culmination of progress. It doesn't register with them that you can't find a a single corner of the media at large, excluding Fox News, where "right leaning" personalities are tolerated - and even Fox is hesitant to welcome within their ranks true believers of the right, hiring only cynical grifters whose trade consists of shoveling red meat into the mouths of the 60 or 70 million rubes who gorge on it.
You are literally arguing the point being made, not picking it apart.
 

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Hey EvilLore, thanks so much. And thank you IconMaster for the assist. I was a member a long time ago, but my old account got lost. I saw some folks discussing my tweets and just wanted to let folks know that today's Virtual Legality episode (which IconMaster linked) gives greater context to that discussion.
I listened to the whole thing, well done. Subscribed and looking forward to your back catalogue.

Having only listened once I may have missed something; you make a point about both sides engaging in open dialogue to understand perspectives and not lean on stereotypes. Completely right. However an exclusive feature of woke leftists is the premise of safe space, creating echo chambers inherently shutting down any avenue for constructive discussion. Impossible to make progress without everyone at the table.

Of course that is in essence the catalyst for the issue which snowballs perpetually. As evidenced by Resetera bans for descending opinions or Shrier blocking people with legitimate questions, or cancel culture in general.
 

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I mean, I am sure they forbid people who publicly support NAMBLA, as well. Conservatism/right wing politics is seen as retrograde and threatening to various classes of people. All political orientations aren’t the same and some views are no longer welcome within most circles in modern society. No one is stopping these conservatives from forming their own gaming publications, though I suspect that isn’t an option they’re interested in pursuing.
If there was any truth to what you are claiming here then the far leftists would be open to public debate. If their ideology was actually superior than it would withstand scrutiny and criticism and win people over on its merits.

In reality what happening is that “progressives” refuse to debate anyone with different opinions, they try and cancel and deplatform people that don’t conform and they use emotionally charged language to try and publicly stigmatize anyone who steps out of line.

The mainstreaming of their ideas was not a natural evolution. They did not convince and win people over with good ideas. They simply cultivated a culture of fear using our major cultural industries to force conformity.
 
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Great work as always @sophnar0747 . It's glaringly obvious from outside of the bubble, but may not be to those within.


Cue Gamespot Far Cry 5 video where these emaciated San Francisco boys don't understand why a conservative from Montana isn't automatically portrayed as a villain:



"So I decided to make my my character Black... hearing those deeply conservitive gun toting attitudes made me uncomfortable"

:messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Is he offended for his character or himself?
 

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If there was any truth to what you are claiming here then the far leftists would be open to public debate. If their ideology was actually superior than it would withstand scrutiny and criticism and win people over on its merits.

In reality what happening is that “progressives” refuse to debate anyone with different opinions, they try and cancel and deplatform people that don’t conform and they use emotionally charged language to try and publicly stigmatize anyone who steps out of line.

The mainstreaming of their ideas was not a natural evolution. They did not convince and win people over with good ideas. They simply cultivated a culture of fear using our major cultural industries to force conformity.

Many opinions held on the right aren't valid, unworthy of the effort required to debate them (i.e., climate change is a hoax, race science is legitimate). I don't know why the onus is on "progressives" to indulge people who hold such views. If those on the right wish to believe such nonsense, that is well within their right. However, under no circumstances are those of us in civil and modern society obligated to entertain them, nor is our refusal to do so evidence of any illegitimacy in their positions. Appealing to the left to debate different "opinions" has always been a trap, similar to the story of Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby, where such invitations to dialogue over inherently invalid positions lends them a currency they do not deserve. And, no one on the left is trying to conform those on the right. It is the other way around, actually, since the left is firm in its refusal to treat the right as a valid opposition. I think the left has resigned itself to the fact that anyone still on the right, after all that we now know, can't be conformed.
 

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Many opinions held on the right aren't valid, unworthy of the effort required to debate them (i.e., climate change is a hoax, race science is legitimate). I don't know why the onus is on "progressives" to indulge people who hold such views. If those on the right wish to believe such nonsense, that is well within their right. However, under no circumstances are those of us in civil and modern society obligated to entertain them, nor is our refusal to do so evidence of any illegitimacy in their positions. Appealing to the left to debate different "opinions" has always been a trap, similar to the story of Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby, where such invitations to dialogue over inherently invalid positions lends them a currency they do not deserve. And, no one on the left is trying to conform those on the right. It is the other way around, actually, since the left is firm in its refusal to treat the right as a valid opposition. I think the left has resigned itself to the fact that anyone still on the right, after all that we now know, can't be conformed.
Both of those are far right positions. A more mainstream right opinion would be that climate change is real, but how much of it is man made is yet to be proven. Use mainstream right wing positions and not far right one, unless you want the same done for the left. I know you don't want to be lumped in with biology deniers do you?
 

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You mean the reviews would talk about the game and not talk about how it's racist or how the word "Savage" shouldn't be used? (A kotaku review recently literally did this)
Most reviews pre 2005 or so were like this. A lot of reviews are still like this, you just have to avoid the troublemaker sites.
Just so you and any passersby know, that Kotaku article is written by a different person from the reviewer. I skimmed the review quickly and didn't notice any attempts at being PC (politically correct).
The PC article that spawned the GAF thread is here:
I'm not a fan of SJW extremism but I think it's important to be technically correct when arguing against them, even if the mob themselves couldn't care less when you're correct. Don't give the enemy more ammo than necessary.

Edit: Corrected passerbys to passersby.

Edit 2: And Kotaku titled the same video on YouTube as a review. So consider my point moot.
 
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Both of those are far right positions. A more mainstream right opinion would be that climate change is real, but how much of it is man made is yet to be proven. Use mainstream right wing positions and not far right one, unless you want the same done for the left. I know you don't want to be lumped in with biology deniers do you?
"There's no effort to exclude conservative view points in the games media. Its just that their view points shouldn't be allowed. Totally different. If anything, Jason and others are the true victims".
🤔
 

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Many opinions held on the right aren't valid, unworthy of the effort required to debate them (i.e., climate change is a hoax, race science is legitimate). I don't know why the onus is on "progressives" to indulge people who hold such views. If those on the right wish to believe such nonsense, that is well within their right. However, under no circumstances are those of us in civil and modern society obligated to entertain them, nor is our refusal to do so evidence of any illegitimacy in their positions. Appealing to the left to debate different "opinions" has always been a trap, similar to the story of Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby, where such invitations to dialogue over inherently invalid positions lends them a currency they do not deserve. And, no one on the left is trying to conform those on the right. It is the other way around, actually, since the left is firm in its refusal to treat the right as a valid opposition. I think the left has resigned itself to the fact that anyone still on the right, after all that we now know, can't be conformed.
Many opinions held on the left aren't valid, unworthy of the effort required to debate them (i.e., biology is a hoax, socialism leads to prosperity). I don't know why the onus is on "conservatives" to indulge people who hold such views. If those on the left wish to believe such nonsense, that is well within their right. However, under no circumstances are those of us in civil and modern society obligated to entertain them, nor is our refusal to do so evidence of any illegitimacy in their positions. Appealing to the right to debate different "opinions" has always been a trap, similar to the story of Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby, where such invitations to dialogue over inherently invalid positions lends them a currency they do not deserve. And, no one on the right is trying to conform those on the left. It is the other way around, actually, since the right is firm in its refusal to treat the left as a valid opposition. I think the right has resigned itself to the fact that anyone still on the left, after all that we now know, can't be conformed.

I to can be a zealous retard.

P.S. - This statement

“the left is firm in its refusal to treat the right as a valid opposition.”

Basically reinforces Sophia’s point. It’s not just game journalism, the entire political left has become a cult.
 
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Just so you and any passersby know, that Kotaku article is written by a different person from the reviewer. I skimmed the review quickly and didn't notice any attempts at being PC (politically correct).
The PC article that spawned the GAF thread is here:
I'm not a fan of SJW extremism but I think it's important to be technically correct when arguing against them, even if the mob themselves couldn't care less when you're correct. Don't give the enemy more ammo than necessary.

Edit: Corrected passerbys to passersby.
No..... This is their video Review with the word review in it

Maybe the written review was different but this video is STILL a review.
 
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Many opinions held on the right aren't valid, unworthy of the effort required to debate them (i.e., climate change is a hoax, race science is legitimate).

They aren't politically aligned views. At all. There are flat earthers who are liberals and there are flat earthers who are conservative. You might as well say atheism is only a left wing view and only right wing people have faith. It's again a base reduction on a fallacy that tries to establish only intelligent views can be held by the left, in order to shut down real scrutiny - when in fact many of them are anything but. It's the same nonsense as 'creatives are pacifists' and with them in charge there would be no war. Left or right is not an idication of ignorance or stupidity.

People ask obvious questions, knowing you can't engage, because the very basis of your argument is not broad enough to withstand scrutiny and you will be embarassed. And in this day and age, rertreating and relying on the virtuous nature of your argument is considered enough. Most, if not all people like yourself argue based on such flimsy premises and with such severe misunderstandings it's not even worth debating with you. Think about that. When you look for an answer, it's not worth anyone's time to indulge you.

Because your concepts, framings and points of reference are so wide of the mark at your instantiation of the debate, that it's obvious you don't have the background or maturity to discuss these topics. You literally used a story of the tar baby, in which the trap was set by Bre-Fox (or yourself) in the stupid analogy. The whole 'trap' was based around never having the intention to respond in good faith and the 'invalid position' was the equivalent of a tip of the hat. Lastly, the fox sits there sniffing his own farts at the end and still 'loses' because of rash, arrogant, impulsive behaviour.



But it's a good analogy for exactly what's happening if you analyse it and not just toss out a little snippet that suits a very manipulated point of view. There are plenty of people on the left who are open to intelligent debate like Joe Rogan, who you run out with your purity tests and then call them right wing. You and your ilk are dogmatic and you run away from most debates, because you have little beyond a surface quote or mimicked argument and you can't really articulate the complexities to counter argue the downsides or compromises that need to be made and weight them against alternatives. Another example is framing 'affirmative action' as a racial positive instead of a societal positive.
 
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The political correctness, not tolerating of other people views and opinions completely ruined giantbomb too.
Once amazing website with cool personalities, turned into a toxic cancel wasteland which bans even premium long time users for having different opinion (like me). I am no over it but fuck them.
And btw - I am european... this lef/right wings mean nothing to me. Is it that Left = conservative (no homo, no abbortion etc?) and right = modern (yes for lgbt, abbortion etc?). And let me guess - both are extremely crazy sided and obsessed with only their opinion?
F I hate politics. Can't people just be normal... especially video game people? The cancel culture and political correctness is an absolute 180 from freedom of speech and basic human freedom...
It's not that easy. People are not "left or right" but now they tend to force themselves onto this mindset because everyone thinks they must be one or another exclusively
 
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Many opinions held on the right aren't valid, unworthy of the effort required to debate them (i.e., climate change is a hoax, race science is legitimate). I don't know why the onus is on "progressives" to indulge people who hold such views. If those on the right wish to believe such nonsense, that is well within their right. However, under no circumstances are those of us in civil and modern society obligated to entertain them, nor is our refusal to do so evidence of any illegitimacy in their positions. Appealing to the left to debate different "opinions" has always been a trap, similar to the story of Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby, where such invitations to dialogue over inherently invalid positions lends them a currency they do not deserve. And, no one on the left is trying to conform those on the right. It is the other way around, actually, since the left is firm in its refusal to treat the right as a valid opposition. I think the left has resigned itself to the fact that anyone still on the right, after all that we now know, can't be conformed.

This world view was naive and juvenile even when being discussed in the dorms and common rooms of sixth form colleges back in the late 1980’s. i Would trust you have better sense than the kind of swivel-eyed dilettantes who stand outside council offices holding socialist worker placards and shouting communist rhetoric.

I’d prescribe a period where you stop huffing that social media shish and go spend some time at your parents second home in the Cotswolds where you can breath some clean air and clear your head.
 
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One of greatest quotes I ever hear was Bob Marckey in the Bioshock Retronauts episode, where he complains about Bioshock Infinite and the "centrism that are tearing the country apart".
I unsubscribed from the podcast after that episode. Bob Mackey is the epitome of a soy guzzling, pansy coward. Loudmouth bravado on the internet, sniveling weasel in real life.

Would love to meet him.
 

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No..... This is their video Review with the word review in it

Maybe the written review was different but this video is STILL a review.
:/

You're right and this is a mess. The article I linked doesn't call itself a review and the embedded video therein doesn't do that either. It's only the YouTube upload of it that has "review" in the title.

So, Kotaku now has two reviews of the same game.
 

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This world view was naive and juvenile even when being discussed in the dorms and common rooms of sixth form colleges back in the late 1980’s. i Would trust you have better sense than the kind of swivel-eyed dilettantes who stand outside council offices holding socialist worker placards and shouting communist rhetoric.

I’d prescribe a period where you stop huffing that social media shish and go spend some time at your parents second home in the Cotswolds where you can breath some clean air and clear your head.


This is truer than most people would care to admit. I live in the Northern shires and in a street that had a party when Margaret Thatcher died, and there was proper revelry. I side with the left on many issues as I believe ultimately collective altruism will be a net benefit that personal benefit. However, my mate votes purely on fiscal policy as it relates to him and his family and circumstances. But I don't think he's an evil person or a cunt for voting for his priorities. That's the point of having parties with different policies and manifesto's.

But this is what annoys me when broad strokes are painted like workers rights and picket lines and striking. These people gloss over the realities of that. Remembering the coal strikes while my nan and grandad sat there freezing. Waiting for the local scallies to knock selling pallettes from the docks to burn as firewood. What about getting the water workers knocking everyone up at 7am saying fill your baths up lasses, the water's going off in an hour! Not that good when you've got six kids to get ready and the old man is out working shifts to earn a crumb.
 
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Well, it seems like Neogaf is the right wing Resetera. Despite you guys claiming you just want to have fun with videogames, i can see politics and SJW related articles on gaming side growing at an alarming rate.

For a place that wants to be chill and just have fun you have quite the persecution complex and are obsessed with destroying progressives, just like the other forum is obsessed with destroying "nazis".

Yes, I've noticed something like that, too! Very good observation!
 

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"So I decided to make my my character Black... hearing those deeply conservitive gun toting attitudes made me uncomfortable"

:messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Is he offended for his character or himself?

We need a reaction video where he meets Colion Noir, one of the most prominent Second Amendment advocates in the US.


 

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The political correctness, not tolerating of other people views and opinions completely ruined giantbomb too.
Once amazing website with cool personalities, turned into a toxic cancel wasteland which bans even premium long time users for having different opinion (like me). I am no over it but fuck them.
And btw - I am european... this lef/right wings mean nothing to me. Is it that Left = conservative (no homo, no abbortion etc?) and right = modern (yes for lgbt, abbortion etc?). And let me guess - both are extremely crazy sided and obsessed with only their opinion?
F I hate politics. Can't people just be normal... especially video game people? The cancel culture and political correctness is an absolute 180 from freedom of speech and basic human freedom...
It's not that easy. People are not "left or right" but now they tend to force themselves onto this mindset because everyone thinks they must be one or another exclusively

Im with you on that bro. Used to love Giant Bomb. Now im really struggling to get through a podcast.

I think we are witnessing the beginning of the pendulum swingin back once again, the left has to eat itself to survive.
 
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The political correctness, not tolerating of other people views and opinions completely ruined giantbomb too.
Once amazing website with cool personalities, turned into a toxic cancel wasteland which bans even premium long time users for having different opinion (like me). I am no over it but fuck them.
And btw - I am european... this lef/right wings mean nothing to me. Is it that Left = conservative (no homo, no abbortion etc?) and right = modern (yes for lgbt, abbortion etc?). And let me guess - both are extremely crazy sided and obsessed with only their opinion?
F I hate politics. Can't people just be normal... especially video game people? The cancel culture and political correctness is an absolute 180 from freedom of speech and basic human freedom...
It's not that easy. People are not "left or right" but now they tend to force themselves onto this mindset because everyone thinks they must be one or another exclusively
Im with you on that bro. Used to love Giant Bomb. Now im really struggling to get through a podcast.
I dunno; I think the falling of GB more has to do with them trying to avoid ANY sort of thing that could gain sensationalism
Not that I'm saying they don't discuss politics in their shit sometimes, but I mean Abby and Dan did try to do that "Celebrate America," series and gamers went ape shit at them
That mixed with Jeff having a kid and just...he doesn't seem to really vibe with how serious gaming news has gotten, so it's just...boring...
Hell Dan even quoted saying that it's a bit stressful to have to watch what you say in gaming stuff so he hopped to doing WWE shit
 
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I dunno; I think the falling of GB more has to do with them trying to avoid ANY sort of thing that could gain sensationalism
Not that I'm saying they don't discuss politics in their shit sometimes, but I mean Abby and Dan did try to do that "Celebrate America," series and gamers went ape shit at them
That mixed with Jeff having a kid and just...he doesn't seem to really vibe with how serious gaming news has gotten, so it's just...boring...
Hell Dan even quoted saying that it's a bit stressful to have to watch what you say in gaming stuff so he hopped to doing WWE shit
In Dan and Abbys case, they could've /shouldve just ignored it. The only people complaining were a handful of dumbasses anyway. Letting yourself getting bullied like that only invites more of it since alot of these morons have the same mentality as sharks. Once they smell blood in the water, its over.
 

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In Dan and Abbys case, they could've /shouldve just ignored it. The only people complaining were a handful of dumbasses anyway. Letting yourself getting bullied like that only invites more of it since alot of these morons have the same mentality as sharks. Once they smell blood in the water, its over.
If I remember correctly the quote they threw up on the video's page was something like "We didn't read the room right," because people were yelling about how America shouldn't be celebrated right now

If this in crowd thing is still going on, it might also explain their actions on stopping the series and the change in direction with the content

They still do need to be able to do business with peers; give tips or leads, maybe collab on something.
You wouldn't want all those in their "alliance," to gather up and go to war with you
 
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This is truer than most people would care to admit. I live in the Northern shires and in a street that had a party when Margaret Thatcher died, and there was proper revelry. I side with the left on many issues as I believe ultimately collective altruism will be a net benefit that personal benefit. However, my mate votes purely on fiscal policy as it relates to him and his family and circumstances. But I don't think he's an evil person or a cunt for voting for his priorities. That's the point of having parties with different policies and manifesto's.

But this is what annoys me when broad strokes are painted like workers rights and picket lines and striking. These people gloss over the realities of that. Remembering the coal strikes while my nan and grandad sat there freezing. Waiting for the local scallies to knock selling pallettes from the docks to burn as firewood. What about getting the water workers knocking everyone up at 7am saying fill your baths up lasses, the water's going off in an hour! Not that good when you've got six kids to get ready and the old man is out working shifts to earn a crumb.

I'm old enough to remember my Dad driving the 'scabs' through the picket lines on buses and having said bus pelted with bricks, and worse.

Even worked in various posts for a Labour controlled city council, and I know first hand just how the party machinations work; watching the Council Leader scrolling through facebook while sat in a meeting about Policing requirements and how to tackle a rise in gang related violence. Seeing said Council Leader sack people on the spot for not doing his whims, seeing said Council piss away funds at the end of the financial year on nothing even after turning away worthy projects throughout the year on spurious claims of 'not enough money in the pot'; watching deeply untalented and flawed individuals rise through the ranks on nothing but their own hotair and front, and finally watching an ex-Metropolitan Police Officer responsible for a well-known and highly reported tragedy receive funding for a project for which the company providing the service he himself had an investment in and was a Director of.

Ah, yes. Socialism at its finest.
 

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Well, as a liberty-loving, gun-toting, rootin', tootin' first-person shootin', RPG computin', possible bot for Putin ... I am interested in gaming coverage that does not assume I am a Nazi or fascist because of whom I may or may not have voted for.
 

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Probably because those are extreme right positions that are not held by socially adept people. I think most people, regardless of what political side you choose, are in the understanding that climate change is a thing or that the Earth is round....you know things of that nature. I don't think anyone with common sense would even want to argue those claims. But things like censorship and group think on the scale the game industry seems to be on is worthy of a debate. Those are the types of issues I see many in the left not debating.
Here’s how I see it, and I’ll simplify because I am on mobile.

You got 2 extremes. 1 believes in no climate change at all. The other believes the world is gonna end in 12 years due to climate change.

The media only talks about the first as being looney tunes bat shit stupid. The other isn’t mentioned.
 
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Volunteering less detail, I can say Google and Ebay have been compromised by the same group. Also, the comic book industry has been utterly destroyed by it. It maybe has a year left, max. The movie industry as well (we all have seen the damage to Star Wars). This is on top of Blizzard and Activision and EA acting like they receive their orders to fuck us over strait from HELL itself. Shit needs to change everywhere, but some of these targets pushing politics are paid to stir shit up. Many are here in this thread keeping it going, derailing. I showed those magazine covers to wake people up to see and feel the way it was before the takeover from the gaming websites happened. Look where we are now! We know the websites. We have their names.
 

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Here’s how I see it, and I’ll simplify because I am on mobile.

You got 2 extremes. 1 believes in no climate change at all. The other believes the world is gonna end in 12 years due to climate change.

The media only talks about the first as being looney tunes bat shit stupid. The other isn’t mentioned.

Gotta keep the frame straight on that Overton window, after all.
 

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Here’s how I see it, and I’ll simplify because I am on mobile.

You got 2 extremes. 1 believes in no climate change at all. The other believes the world is gonna end in 12 years due to climate change.

The media only talks about the first as being looney tunes bat shit stupid. The other isn’t mentioned.

And both of those things aren't true. How funny.
 
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So I watched in its entirety, and it is definitely worth a view so I subbed too. I will say GAF for anyone who is reading this, watch at least the last 25 minutes. HoegLaw HoegLaw gives pretty good personal experience on what @sophnar0747 points to in her article. #NeverHideYourBobbleHead

However I will say I avoid sites like Kotaku/Polygon because of the over the top Politics. While I understand why you read an article "RE2 and the Police Station", I wouldn't go near it. At best I would via an archive link. But I simply don't want to feed the machine if you will. I feel at best this stuff is going on for clicks, so I have no desire to encourage it. Similar to don't feed the trolls I guess.

But I do appreciate your prospective. Have a Soto on the House :messenger_beermugs:


Hey, thanks, I appreciate it. I don't blame you for not wanting to check out the types of articles I highlighted (I believe that one was from VICE), as I can only speak to personal preference. I don't have any issue with approaches different from my own existing. My primary problem is with the notion that no other approach is valid or *should be permitted* to exist. And I think there is a kind of "alliance of thought" out there in respect of certain things that has some of the effects we are seeing.

I listened to the whole thing, well done. Subscribed and looking forward to your back catalogue.

Having only listened once I may have missed something; you make a point about both sides engaging in open dialogue to understand perspectives and not lean on stereotypes. Completely right. However an exclusive feature of woke leftists is the premise of safe space, creating echo chambers inherently shutting down any avenue for constructive discussion. Impossible to make progress without everyone at the table.

Of course that is in essence the catalyst for the issue which snowballs perpetually. As evidenced by Resetera bans for descending opinions or Shrier blocking people with legitimate questions, or cancel culture in general.

I appreciate your checking it out! I agree completely that marking "the other side" (whatever that might mean in different contexts, and they do differ) as completely beneath reasonable discourse is a fundamental issue and what gives rise to all of this polarization. As I said in the video, having discussions with folks that challenge your views is fundamental to being human, and even if you just want to be selfish about it, it helps hone your own beliefs. Fighting strawmen all the time weakens your logic "muscles", it doesn't strengthen them. It's why I love having these discussions.
 

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Unfortunately in the press there are certain people who should not be in it. In my country, Spain, we had this woman for months publishing on Edge. All of his articles were loaded with "Misandria" (person who hates men) Edge knew it and let it be published. What happened? That over time after many complaints from readers they stopped buying the magazine and had to close. That is what should happen to all websites that host characters like these.








Of course, this woman has locked in twitter to half the country.
 
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I bet that if the "games journalists" name a right-wing writer, that writer is actually centrist. They are so far left that anything that is just a smidge to the right of their ideology is "right-wing". Ever wondered why they like to abuse the made-up term, dogwhistling? They will interpret any innocuous statement like "I just want to play video games" or "I just want to have fun" as a dogwhistle for right-wing ideology.
 

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Probably because those are extreme right positions that are not held by socially adept people. I think most people, regardless of what political side you choose, are in the understanding that climate change is a thing
Have you ever actually seen a thread about climate change on GAF? You just dissed so many people here :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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Both of those are far right positions. A more mainstream right opinion would be that climate change is real, but how much of it is man made is yet to be proven. Use mainstream right wing positions and not far right one, unless you want the same done for the left. I know you don't want to be lumped in with biology deniers do you?

We have established science that has tracked the onset of climate change and its relationship to various industries, drawing a correlation between the damage it has wrought and the carbon emissions due to the burning of fossil fuel. The science of its origins and perpetuation is no longer just a theory, but a fact whose validity is proven by the day, as environmental scientists chart the now perceptible effects this trend is having on ecosystems around the globe. Beyond that, the science now has empirical evidence that shows how this catastrophic shift in our environment can, if not reversed, be mitigated and tempered to a manageable state that significantly delays the existential change that awaits mankind. There are countries where the carbon footprint has been rolled back enough to result in what environmental scientists regard to be a discernibly positive impact on the environment.

Anyone who wants to still have a debate over whether or not it is man made is not acting in good faith and, hence, should not be treated as a welcome participant to discourse on climate change. Want to debate the means with which we arrive at a comprehensive plan to enact wholesale environmental rescue? Awesome, let's do it! Interested in pedantic a back and forth over what "man made" means and if it's something that can truly be measured? No, thanks.
 
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I hate the way that these "woke" types have hijacked socially liberal causes to use as a shield for their authoritarian ends.

The focus needs to be on what they do and what they evidently don't do, not what lofty ethics they stand for.

The political homogeneous state of the enthusiast press is an issue in itself:

1. First and foremost because its not representative of the broader audience.
2. This ongoing lack of diversity is suggestive of corruption and cronyism.
3. That its reached this state in the first place is indicative a long-term systemic failure.
4. The increased politicization of coverage, while retaining a singular standpoint is tantamount to propagandizing.

In the end it doesn't matter what they stand for, when its evident that its a false paradise. A utopia that demands exclusion is dystopian by nature.
 

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I hate the way that these "woke" types have hijacked socially liberal causes to use as a shield for their authoritarian ends.

The focus needs to be on what they do and what they evidently don't do, not what lofty ethics they stand for.

The political homogeneous state of the enthusiast press is an issue in itself:

1. First and foremost because its not representative of the broader audience.
2. This ongoing lack of diversity is suggestive of corruption and cronyism.
3. That its reached this state in the first place is indicative a long-term systemic failure.
4. The increased politicization of coverage, while retaining a singular standpoint is tantamount to propagandizing.

In the end it doesn't matter what they stand for, when its evident that its a false paradise. A utopia that demands exclusion is dystopian by nature.

The most vocal and watched propagandist in popular media is a mouthpiece for the thug in the White House and his sycophants. What are you even talking about?
 

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I'm old enough to remember my Dad driving the 'scabs' through the picket lines on buses and having said bus pelted with bricks, and worse.

Even worked in various posts for a Labour controlled city council, and I know first hand just how the party machinations work; watching the Council Leader scrolling through facebook while sat in a meeting about Policing requirements and how to tackle a rise in gang related violence. Seeing said Council Leader sack people on the spot for not doing his whims, seeing said Council piss away funds at the end of the financial year on nothing even after turning away worthy projects throughout the year on spurious claims of 'not enough money in the pot'; watching deeply untalented and flawed individuals rise through the ranks on nothing but their own hotair and front, and finally watching an ex-Metropolitan Police Officer responsible for a well-known and highly reported tragedy receive funding for a project for which the company providing the service he himself had an investment in and was a Director of.

Ah, yes. Socialism at its finest.

That's exactly how the USSR was and that's why it fell apart.
 
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