Trogdor1123
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Ok, I gotta buy it. I just can't hold out anymore. How does the preorder thing work? Is it on ps4? Do I have to do it digital?
Yeah...no
That ain't cool
I'm Mexican so I guess I'm not sensible to racism in general. Southpark has had several episodes where he makes fun of Mexicans, Latinos in general... Even our former President and never really got me offended. I'm surprised people were not expecting stuff like this from them.
Their latest episodes have been amazing in my opinion. I sincerely find their writing pretty good and their social critique is some of the best...
I'm empathic with people that felt offended but I think that they can just not buy the game. If enough people feel like this it will tank and no more SP games will be made. I don't think their should change their stuff to suit everyone's tastes.
I think the difference is that these guys are not carrying an agenda of racism, I think they make fun of a racist society and I believe it's a good way to reduce the negative power of those words.
They make fun of everything and everyone and I appreciate that.
I live in the US and am very aware of the current social climate. I am firmly on the side of the social progressive movement, I am just reluctant to assume the intentions of others and think it is wise to refrain from the immediately indicting somebody or something as racist. If somebody does something out of ignorance that appears racist, then I think the best course of action is education. Starting the conversation with "that is racist" or "your racist" undermines any effort to educate.
With all that said, I am all for making fun of Kayne West (no public figure should be off limits), but it does seem a bit mean and unnecessary to including his dead grandma in a joke just to further make make fun of him.
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I'm Mexican so I guess I'm not sensible to racism in general. Southpark has had several episodes where he makes fun of Mexicans, Latinos in general... Even our former President and never really got me offended. I'm surprised people were not expecting stuff like this from them.
Yeah...no
That ain't cool
Yeah...no
That ain't cool
Im mexican too, frankly there's very little an american cartoon can do to truly offend a mexican given that we're big on self depreciating humor, South Park basically can't do anything to offend a mexican in the way that they can to offend black people.
And that's the thing, you can't compare something like this to making fun of us, the context is not the same, there is no mexican equivalent to that fish. Hell, most nationalities or races don't have imagery that is equal in terms of how offensive it is.
I've never watched South Park. But I always assumed it had its share of racism???
I'm Mexican so I guess I'm not sensible to racism in general. Southpark has had several episodes where he makes fun of Mexicans, Latinos in general... Even our former President and never really got me offended. I'm surprised people were not expecting stuff like this from them.
Their latest episodes have been amazing in my opinion. I sincerely find their writing pretty good and their social critique is some of the best...
I'm empathic with people that felt offended but I think that they can just not buy the game. If enough people feel like this it will tank and no more SP games will be made. I don't think their should change their stuff to suit everyone's tastes.
I think the difference is that these guys are not carrying an agenda of racism, I think they make fun of a racist society and I believe it's a good way to reduce the negative power of those words.
They make fun of everything and everyone and I appreciate that.
Top tier troll postI'm Mexican so I guess I'm not sensible to racism in general. Southpark has had several episodes where he makes fun of Mexicans, Latinos in general... Even our former President and never really got me offended. I'm surprised people were not expecting stuff like this from them.
Their latest episodes have been amazing in my opinion. I sincerely find their writing pretty good and their social critique is some of the best...
I'm empathic with people that felt offended but I think that they can just not buy the game. If enough people feel like this it will tank and no more SP games will be made. I don't think their should change their stuff to suit everyone's tastes.
I think the difference is that these guys are not carrying an agenda of racism, I think they make fun of a racist society and I believe it's a good way to reduce the negative power of those words.
They make fun of everything and everyone and I appreciate that.
Cool. Kanye has gone full gay fish now.
waaaaaait a minute.... have they locked Towelie behind fucking pre orders?
This fucking industry, man.
Neogaf, it's 2017, what the fuck is up with people thinking unprompted blackface fish is so damn funny?
Im mexican too, frankly there's very little an american cartoon can do to truly offend a mexican given that we're big on self depreciating humor, South Park basically can't do anything to offend a mexican in the way that they can to offend black people.
And that's the thing, you can't compare something like this to making fun of us, the context is not the same, there is no mexican equivalent to that fish. Hell, most nationalities or races don't have imagery that is equal in terms of how offensive it is.
Its racism was usually used as a means to illustrate the problems with racism. A character who is supposed to be a "bad" character (Cartman) would exhibit frequent racist tendencies. Here this is just straight unprompted racism without any contextual justification.
What I don't get is how you can live in the US and think someone in North America can just accidentally make a mammy character image and not notice it when these stereotypes were a huge part of American popular culture for, what, 200 years? It's a highly recognizable image.
They pick en everyone, it's not like they are pushing an agenda and I think it makes a difference.
I get what youre trying to say, but you cant seriously think the people behind South Park didnt notice that. They absolutely knew what they were doing and thats the joke. Racism is funny.Because I did not see it, and I know I am not racist. I am sure this is true for many other people who did not initially see it. But once pointed out to me, it seems apparent. If I created that cartoon, and somebody pointed that out to me, I would immediately change it.
But the conversation is still interesting and the different ways people see and interpret things are fascinating. Whenever we look at something, we take a life time of baggage and preconception with us. Each of our lives are different and our perception is informed by our past experience. What does it say about me that I did not initially see the resemblance? What does it say about you that you did?
How about blackface is never ok, even with the "contextual justification". its not that hard people. I'm guessing those that are ok with it have Soul Man on a 24 hour loop and are loving it.
What is meant by black face here? Is it because that creature which is based on a black person is black instead of white? I'm asking because I genuinely don't understand.
Was this a PewDiePie defense that ended up in the wrong thread? What words?
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I guess the contextual justification would be that Kanye's game is about specifically a black woman riding a winged horse. Here you have a black fish doing the same. Would the joke have had the same feel if she was green like the Kanye fish? Probably. So it seems like this was a step too far. When I watched it it didn't necessarily bother me that they went at it like that, but I knew it would upset some people. That has never seemed to be an issue for them though.
I also thought the depiction of Chef's parents was always kind of uncomfortably stereotypical and racist (moreso than this whole fish thing) but 'tree fiddy' gets thrown around on this forum pretty regularly with no pushback.
Does every copy come with Stick of Truth, or only if you preorder?
The whole "they can't be offensive because they offend everyone" is such a bullshit excuse. Racism is still racism.They pick en everyone, it's not like they are pushing an agenda and I think it makes a difference.
Something can be racist absent of a broader agenda.
Splitting hairs on this one is making excuses for the creator's poor decisions.
I don't see how what is done here fits what is presented in that link?
The issue with this is none of those things, it's the way MomFish passively evokes blackface imagery without saying something about it. If you're going to invoke that imagery, you need to do it with deliberate purpose to say something about it.So Matt & Trey making fun of Kanye's "Only One" Game showed at E3 2016. Which everyone laughed at or questioned it with a big "wtf"
With the continuation of Kanye's persona of "fishsticks - gayfish" joke of how many years ago.
Then add something that happened to Kanye's recently which has some involvement to heaven, which was clearly shown in his game. Oh his mom died, she's going to heaven!
Honestly, this is step by step Matt, Trey & team kinda of writting. We're at 21 season at this point, 20years making jokes like these. They have the same power as the Simpson's at this point, except more violent and racism. I'm pretty sure their immune to nearly anything now. You either like it or don't.
The whole "they can't be offensive because they offend everyone" is such a bullshit excuse. Racism is still racism.
They pushed me away when they tried to normalize a gay slur, now this fuckery?
What was the last successful use of blackface in pop culture? Mad Men?
Well actually I guess Get Out took it to another level.
He did this because he is Cartman. He is supposed to be the worst person in the world. He made a kid eat his parents in another episode, didn't he?so when Cartman dressed like Hitler back in Season 8 and started a race riot chanting the words "We must exterminate the Jews" it was actually hilarious and I'm just an out of touch old man.
I dont think mad men is a fair comparison. That show was depicting the 60s.
That and the picnic cleanup scene are the two scenes that still stand out as the show saying "These character's values and norms were not our values and norms".Moreso than that, it was depicting that the use of Black Face is pretty much a Bad Thing.
He did this because he is Cartman. He is supposed to be the worst person in the world. He made a kid eat his parents in another episode, didn't he?