Edit: Actually, you know what, nevermind. This isn't an argument I want to have.
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South Park: TFBH "Game is Gold" Trailer
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Edit: Actually, you know what, nevermind. This isn't an argument I want to have.
Drillary Clinton
Banned
Its not even satire. They arent parodying perceptions or critiquing the racism of black face in a funny way. They just made a dated, tasteless joke about a mans dead mother.
PixelatedBookake
Junior Member
Yeah you sure stuck it to Kanye guys! Lol so funny GAY FISH lmaoooo Lets make fun of his dead mom using a racist caricature fish in a really lame joke altogether. Even a few years ago at E3 they made fun of the Donda West game like, come on, even in the context of comedy or humor it wasn't very funny and really mean-spirited.
greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
Yeah, it's pretty awful. Only thing I can think of is that someone's trying to stir the pot. That mammy fish should have been caught by someone.
They meaning the South Park folks? Must have missed that. Not that I was still watching the show anymore or anything. But the blackface shit puts it on a whole new level of disgusting.
Man, South Park is such fucking garbage. Every time I think it's become better (like with the race and gender difficulty thing), they pull off some shit like this. And it wouldn't even be THAT terrible if its mindless fans didn't bring up the "satire" and "actually they seek to piss off everyone alike
" nonsense every time it gets criticized.And shame on Ubisoft for allowing this crap too, ugh.
MatthewB92
Member
If that is in the game I hope they patch it so she doesn't look black face. That's just fucked up.
PixelatedBookake
Junior Member
Here's a clip I found, not sure if there's more to it.
https://twitter.com/Precyse/status/743526020121264129
It turns out they weren't actually joking and ended up putting it in the game? And gave Kanye's mother blackface for the "lulz bro."
Eh, are you black yourself?
Either way, joking about someone's dead mother for teh lulz is already shitty enough. The embarrassing racism is the icing on the cake.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Hi. Black person here.
PixelatedBookake
Junior Member
Oh well I guess they weren't joking since they put in the game, sure.
But tbh, as someone who lost their mother a few years ago and found solace in Kanye's music and really resonated and connected with it on an emotional level because of it, I really can't say I fuck with South Park anymore after this. I kinda forgot about the E3 thing, and there was the stuff about the race slider which was clever, but damn that mocking of Donda West with a mammy fish character was too distasteful for me bro.
What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
Mr. Mister
Member
Trash show. Trash game. Trash defenders.
Alain-Christian
Neo Member
I'd like to think that they (devs/artists) are SO not racist that they didn't see the mammy/jiggaboo connection until today with the Internet reaction.
I'm sure anybody black on the staff feels personally responsible for letting this slip too. I know I would. I probably wouldn't have spotted this either. My friends would be so mad at me.
"Yo, how did you not see that? You WORK there! That's some Mr. Popo shit right there."
"I don't knooooow! I feel awful! We don't want to release a game that turns people off like that. It's bad enough the first one had a long tail. It took a lot of word of mouth for sales to happen. This stupid thing could tank our game. FUCK! And in THIS climate? How did I not see this? I wish I said something. FUCK."
There's no way Donda fish is staying that way.
I mean, fucked up to make fun of the guy's mom in the first place but I really think this is an oversight and not intentionally racist. Just unfortunate.
The eyes and lips. Damn. If only they picked another animal. But then the fish sticks joke doesn't work anymore.
I assume they changed Kanye to a literal fish to avoid using his likeness for legal reasons. I forget, were there any "cameos" in stick of truth?
I'm sure anybody black on the staff feels personally responsible for letting this slip too. I know I would. I probably wouldn't have spotted this either. My friends would be so mad at me.
"Yo, how did you not see that? You WORK there! That's some Mr. Popo shit right there."
"I don't knooooow! I feel awful! We don't want to release a game that turns people off like that. It's bad enough the first one had a long tail. It took a lot of word of mouth for sales to happen. This stupid thing could tank our game. FUCK! And in THIS climate? How did I not see this? I wish I said something. FUCK."
There's no way Donda fish is staying that way.
I mean, fucked up to make fun of the guy's mom in the first place but I really think this is an oversight and not intentionally racist. Just unfortunate.
The eyes and lips. Damn. If only they picked another animal. But then the fish sticks joke doesn't work anymore.
I assume they changed Kanye to a literal fish to avoid using his likeness for legal reasons. I forget, were there any "cameos" in stick of truth?
Ninja Scooter
Member
TIL that you have to be black to be critical of racism.
Faux outrage by White SJWs you know that whole shtick.
I'm a White person and can understand empathy. Sorry for those that can't.
Poe's Law is a bastard. Halfway through this post I realized it was not satire.
I just realized what they meant to say. I took it very literal movie editing wise... damn. To be fair I was a kid when I saw this.
Yeah, there's a few.
At one point you fight an aborted fetus from Khloe Kardashian.
andrerobot
Member
I just cancelled my preorder from 2016. :/
I don't want this shit anymore.
I don't want this shit anymore.
CannonFodder52
Member
Am I only allowed to speak on discrimination directed at white people?
Ninja Scooter
Member
I'm sure Mr. Totally Not an Alt Account will be back shortly to reply. And by shortly I mean never.
Mr. Mister
Member
Im still mind boggled that people defend this or even find it slightly funny. Its dumb, its mean, and its overtly racist.
Cannot believe a major publisher is okay with putting this out to the world.
Cannot believe a major publisher is okay with putting this out to the world.
spindashing
Banned
Mr. Mister
Member
Ugh. At least youre open about it.
Alain-Christian
Neo Member
I know it's an odd opinion. I have self-awareness. And an abundance of empathy. I didn't see the problem until others pointed it out. And yes, I'm very familiar with the imagery. I just. I dunno. I don't go about my life as there's a Klan member behind every corner waiting to attack me. I follow the "act as if" mantra and go about my life as if we're 1,000 years in the future and human beings have resolved their differences.
But that's naive because people always find reasons to draw lines in the sand. Even those with the same skin color.
But also, I really do hope/think it's an oversight. Why would a major company stupidly put something like this in it KNOWING it would hurt their sales and make them look like they support racism? I don't see it. It just doesn't make any sense. Why even bother making the game? Just tank your company with a few choice tweets on twitter and be done with it.
Bro, they TWEETED THIS OUT AS A TEASER! LOL, they clearly had no idea! They didn't see what was wrong with it, clearly! (I'm laughing over the schadenfreude.)
This is a Curb Your Enthusiasm level boner right here. Cue the trombone. I'm TELLING YOU they're gonna change/fix this.
Well then that just raises further questions.
Khloe was just referenced not actually shown if I'm not mistaken. I believe the only three celebs whose likenesses were actually used were Al Gore, David Hasselhoff(literally a photo cutout of his face and some photos of him) and Morgan Freeman. Everyone else was just mentioned, but not shown.
So there might be some kind of legal/rights reason when it comes to games versus their TV show. I can't see any reason why they would make Kanye an actual fish if there wasn't actually anything from stopping them from just using the same Aquaman look from the show.
I agree that it's a weird look but I don't think it was missed or overlooked that kanye's mom is depicted as a racist stereotype considering they hit both the visuals and the voice. I see this as intentional on the part of the developers, at least.
Not sure about Ubisoft's PR department but I doubt this was a surprise to them, either.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Agreed completely. I loved them giving it to Kanye in the show before, but this is just shitty of them. They remind of school bullies at this point in terms of assholery.
Mr. Mister
Member
Heres the thing. If you dont see a problem thats on you. You have either accepted this as a normal thing OR have blinders on. This isnt a laugh off the crazy innocent mistake we made over beers issue. This is a blatantly mean spirited racist trailer.
So actually say what you think it is instead of giving Ubisoft a BS out.
Alain-Christian
Neo Member
I know it's naive but I'm just hoping it was an oversight. Whatever explanation they give won't be satisfying. We'll never know (or believe?) their side.
As far as the voice, they've used that old lady voice numerous times. But everything else: the fish eyes, fish lips colored red, the dark skin, it was the perfect storm. Oh well.
Vincent Alexander
Member
I think it was a dumbass oversight in terms of the racist depiction. That doesn't make it better though. The voice is pretty much what they gave Chef's mom so it doesn't rub me wrong. The lips though...not a smart move. The voice and the lips together are a bad combo.
Brutuspedia
Member
When you think South Park finally get it and is aiming higher, they come up with this shit.
I'm cancelling my pre order.
Btw: black guy here.
I'm cancelling my pre order.
Btw: black guy here.
Not to change the subject and nothing against you or your opinion obviously, but your username reminded me of this hehe : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxuwXczWQC0
"actually it's alain"
Gee what a hardass.
Me neither actually. Good thing all it takes is a bit of empathy and commonly sense to see how shitty and racist that part of the trailer is, though!
Alain-Christian
Neo Member
That's pretty funny! But if you're curious It's pronounced like Alan. It's the Haitian spelling. I don't correct people because I don't want to sound like THAT guy! lol
Hero Prinny
Member
lmfao im so hype!!
Mr. Mister
Member
We all have different levels of what is racist or not.
The City Wok Asian character for instance is as old as the show itself.
Like almost 20 years of recreated the Breakfest at Tiffanys character. Nobody gave a shit, because it was a parody of decades old film, or maybe Asian viewers were not offended, or they kept it to themselves.
Now I can totally empathize with people who are maybe several years younger then myself.
What makes South Park work is that they attack everyone. If you are a part of a religion, or movement of any kind, they will get to you eventually.
One of the more interesting examples is they had Mohamed as a super hero in the early years. A few years later they tried to reintroduce the character, and were shut down out of fear. Nobody had shit to say the first time around, but fascist goofballs mowed down a parody newspaper in France.
And I am not sure which happened first, but displaying this particular character was all of the sudden banned by the network.
The City Wok Asian character for instance is as old as the show itself.
Like almost 20 years of recreated the Breakfest at Tiffanys character. Nobody gave a shit, because it was a parody of decades old film, or maybe Asian viewers were not offended, or they kept it to themselves.
Now I can totally empathize with people who are maybe several years younger then myself.
What makes South Park work is that they attack everyone. If you are a part of a religion, or movement of any kind, they will get to you eventually.
One of the more interesting examples is they had Mohamed as a super hero in the early years. A few years later they tried to reintroduce the character, and were shut down out of fear. Nobody had shit to say the first time around, but fascist goofballs mowed down a parody newspaper in France.
And I am not sure which happened first, but displaying this particular character was all of the sudden banned by the network.
RumbleHumble
Banned
But it's like you said, the City Wok character is a parody of Breakfast at Tiffany's. Almost all racial and minority caricatures in South Park usually existed in South Park to comment on the use of the caricature itself. Not just to simply indulge in the caricature.
Here we have the racist imagery, but all it's being used for is to insult a dead woman whose only apparent fault is being Kanye's loving mom. There's a huge difference between what South Park was doing then with racism and what South Park is doing now with Donda West.
Mr. Mister
Member
Gross post all around. I get your angle though.
Times change my bud (like you said 20 years) But I appreciate you mixing the Mohammed controversy into this new thing.
Overt, blatant, mean spirited racist humor isnt funny. I understand you LOVE Southpark but stop trying to defend this one. Take the L.