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Spencer on Why There Are No Xbox Series X Exclusives: We’re Putting the Player at the Center

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Its kind of funny, people say I'm an anti-MS (whatever that may mean) out here, and I probably have more fucking Microsoft devices stacked up than they can dream of, many of them they probably never heard of. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

For me personally, I can't say I wouldn't buy a Microsoft game or anything, heck, if they compete and make a cool game - I'll buy it. I just don't need Microsoft in any other part of it though. I don't need their worthless services and I don't need them to be a middleman where they've lost and won't compete.... that ship has sailed a few times.

They need to compete, and competing in bullshit services in an industry that it really doesn't fit or fit well seems like more of the same. Compete, make games, and deploy games.
Microsoft has Clippy.

Perhaps he can help you with some of those run-on sentences. :messenger_blowing_kiss:
 
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Oh we got a fanboy here lol

FWIW I have an X and a Pro and Microsoft fuckin sucks.. You have to look at the whole package. Yeah the X plays games better, GamePass is alright, that's about it.

Some people can own both brands and know which one is better without being loyally blind to one
Seriously. That's the difference. I was mostly Xbox at the first half of last generation because Xbox had better games.

But then they stopped. And even though I bought an Xbox One at launch, I still have found very few reason to support them. Cuphead and Ori are honestly the only two exclusives I cared about. But now both are on Switch and better.

I'm a huge fan of both PlayStation and Nintendo now, but not out of blind loyalty. It's because they've been putting out a great product. I don't hate on Xbox for the hell of it. I hate on Xbox because they have been putting out a below standard product for a decade now and seem to care more about PR interviews, subscription services and just about anything except quality video games.
 
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It’s a really refreshing idea I’ve always wanted to play the latest games on my Atari
Indeed, I wish Phil would put Forza 8 on the ColecoVision and Gameboy as well....Hey, stop being anti-consumer with the titles phil....Surely next gen can't only be compatible with current gen......It has to be inception-gen-compatible as well, meaning, from the time consoles started.....Hell, for Phil's sake, I wont even go that far, let's just say, I want to play next gen titles on my OG XBOX. If phil does not support this, that's blatant anti-consumerism, according to what he is saying anyway...... 🤔 .
We have a console for that, it’s called the Xbox One S
No need for this Series X, Hell this console's name signifies multiple tiers in the series...Series X, Series S, Series M, Series D for (Discless)…….but, don't worry, you don't need to buy any of that...Forza 8 and that next gen Halo 5 (which everybody was telling me is sooooo next gen) will play just fine on XBONES......Series X, why do you need it? XBONES is a fine console says Phil......Dangit, what I'm I saying, buy Series X too...(The most powerful console)…..Phil: Our messaging could not be clearer Mr Journalist...….So look in the future to many upcoming Forbes articles on how clear and precise a message MS has for next gen gaming....If you don't get it you just need to Philicize….

Jesus Christ, great statement. Don't buy our console, you can get our games everywhere.
Well PC already did that, current gen consoles will stay in the loop next gen, but the biggest detriment to all of this is how more impressive the opposition's software will look or designed as opposed to these Next Gen+This Gen orgy sessions from MS....
 
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Kinda like salty Sony fans always got something to say in Xbox threads when their not interested in the brand?

I feel you broski...
Only Xbox fans feel they deserve to have a thread all to themselves with no one else posting. i still remember that Playstation news article thread that got invaded and was called an Xbox thread for no good reason. And then was told that anyone who support Sony shouldn't be there...

I have no idea why Xbox fans feel they deserve to have segregated threads all to themselves.
 

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Here we go again...

Are you guys actually interested in games or do you just play the stock market?

Considering the generation you just had I wouldn't blame you for making the switch.
No switching where I'm at. Retarded, adolescent, pointy haired, one n done, daddy issue having ass walking simulator with slimy tentacles and shit.. Nah. I'm good.
 
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Only Xbox fans feel they deserve to have a thread all to themselves with no one else posting. i still remember that Playstation news article thread that got invaded and was called an Xbox thread for no good reason. And then was told that anyone who support Sony shouldn't be there...

I have no idea why Xbox fans feel they deserve to have segregated threads all to themselves.
Mental illness. Xbox fans on here always take everything personally and play the victim. Just look at that one guy in the Meta thread where a mod called him out for constantly reporting people for criticizing anything xbox related.

No switching where I'm at. Retarded, adolescent, pointy haired, one n done, daddy issue having ass walking simulator with slimy tentacles and shit.. Nah. I'm good.
Yeah, just enjoy playing as some ugly man hating lesbian in Tears of War or play the zillionth Halo game. Does Halo man finally talk? Does he take his helmet off? What about Hellblade where you play as some screaming schizo autistic ginger bitch? Games are so much better on xbox am I right fellas?
 

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Yeah. We ain't talking about just video games, my guy. I knew you were thinking small. Real small... Kinda common with Sony and Nintendo fan boys ain't it?
We are on a video game forum.

They still last tho, sorry that's a hard pill to swallow that even their trillies can't buy them out of.
 
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Kinda like salty Sony fans always got something to say in Xbox threads when their not interested in the brand?

I feel you broski...
I never understand why mods dont do anything about it. Its always the same group shit posting page after page in every Xbox thread. I know i could just put them on ignore but its petty, and i actually like some of them when they arent talking about Xbox.
I mean i dont like Nintendo, so i very rarely go into Nintendo threads, simple. I'm a PC gamer so it shouldnt really bother me, but it just gets so tedious and tiresome.
 

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I never understand why mods dont do anything about it. Its always the same group shit posting page after page in every Xbox thread. I know i could just put them on ignore but its petty, and i actually like some of them when they arent talking about Xbox.
I mean i dont like Nintendo, so i very rarely go into Nintendo threads, simple. I'm a PC gamer so it shouldnt really bother me, but it just gets so tedious and tiresome.
Look who you're replying to. Stuart with blinders on.

That brotha's post history got a Phil Spencer Seal of Approval.
 
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Look who you're replying to. Stuart with blinders on.
It doesnt matter Deep, his point is fair. I may be a PC gamer, but i dont hate Xbox, i dont hate consoles at all as i used to bea PC and console gamer. I always bought both Playstation and Xbox consoles, so the console war has never been something i have been invested in at all, and if you're not invested in it, it becomes incredibly tedious and frustrating. Thats why i get so mad sometimes. At the end of the day, these companies dont give a shit about us, and wouldnt piss on us if we were on fire. It would be nice if gamers stuck together for a change.
 

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It doesnt matter Deep, his point is fair. I may be a PC gamer, but i dont hate Xbox, i dont hate consoles at all as i used to bea PC and console gamer. I always bought both Playstation and Xbox consoles, so the console war has never been something i have been invested in at all, and if you're not invested in it, it becomes incredibly tedious and frustrating. Thats why i get so mad sometimes. At the end of the day, these companies dont give a shit about us, and wouldnt piss on us if we were on fire. It would be nice if gamers stuck together for a change.
Sure Stuart, sure. I hear what you are saying, but in practice you have your biases just the same.

You’ll puff your chest at Sony fans doing the same thing as Xbox fans, but only call out one party and “overlook” the other.

Then try and claim agnostic middle man.

“It only bothers me when they do it.” I see you.

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Sure what Deep?. I'm a PC gamer and dont own a console. I'm just not some 'master racer'. If you mean because i always pull up Sony fanboys, well thats because its usually them shitting up the threads, and have done for over 6 years now.
Its getting to the point where i'm posting less, and often dont go in threads that look like potential console warz, its too tedious most of the time.:messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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Sure what Deep?. I'm a PC gamer and dont own a console. I'm just not some 'master racer'. If you mean because i always pull up Sony fanboys, well thats because its usually them shitting up the threads, and have done for over 6 years now.
Its getting to the point where i'm posting less, and often dont go in threads that look like potential console warz, its too tedious most of the time.:messenger_tears_of_joy:
I rest my case.


 
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Mental illness. Xbox fans on here always take everything personally and play the victim. Just look at that one guy in the Meta thread where a mod called him out for constantly reporting people for criticizing anything xbox related.


Yeah, just enjoy playing as some ugly man hating lesbian in Tears of War or play the zillionth Halo game. Does Halo man finally talk? Does he take his helmet off? What about Hellblade where you play as some screaming schizo autistic ginger bitch? Games are so much better on xbox am I right fellas?
Wow i missed that meltdown.
 

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I never understand why mods dont do anything about it. Its always the same group shit posting page after page in every Xbox thread. I know i could just put them on ignore but its petty, and i actually like some of them when they arent talking about Xbox.
I mean i dont like Nintendo, so i very rarely go into Nintendo threads, simple. I'm a PC gamer so it shouldnt really bother me, but it just gets so tedious and tiresome.
Sony fans are salty against anything Xbox because they are a threat to their favorite platform. Regardless of how many consoles Sony sells, regardless of how many walking simulators they produce. Because its not enough to push Microsoft out of the gaming arenas, and according to Sony fans, PlayStation games are the end all, be all.

Well, if their games and consoles really were all that great, why are Sony fans still so god damn nervous? Why are they still so salty? Why are they constantly harping on anything Xbox, no matter what they do? And Microsoft has done some pretty incredible things in this business. Their turn around has been incredible these last couple of years. What Phil and Co has done with the brand, regardless of which side of the line you stand on, deserves crazy, crazy praise and respect. And still, its never enough. And to the shit posters on GaF, it won't ever be. Why is that, I wonder?

I'll give you three guesses, but you'll only need one....
 
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Sony fans are salty against anything Xbox because they are a threat to their favorite platform. Regardless of how many consoles Sony sells, regardless of how many walking simulators they produce. Because its not enough to push Microsoft out of the gaming arenas, and according to Sony fans, PlayStation games are the end all, be all.

Well, if their games and consoles really were all that great, why are Sony fans still so god damn nervous? Why are they still so salty? Why are they constantly harping on anything Xbox, no matter what they do? I'll give you three tries to guess, but you'll only need one....
Playstation won this gen, and imo will win next gen. Thats why the constant trolling is so frustating, because its not needed, whether you hate Xbox or not.
 

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Playstation won this gen, and imo will win next gen. Thats why the constant trolling is so frustating, because its not needed, whether you hate Xbox or not.
Exactly my point. PlayStation won this gen. And still.... Why?

I disagree on them winning next gen though. Its definitely a possibility. But it won't be like this gen. And hardware will be only one metric for success next gen. Not the only one.
 
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Exactly my point. PlayStation won this gen. And still.... Why?

I disagree on them winning next gen though. Its definitely a possibility. But it won't be like this gen.
Oh Xbox will be closer, but i just feel Playstation is simply more popular worldwide, and has Japan, something Xbox doesnt. Imo SeX will sell in the 60-70mil range, and have a little bit of a comeback. I still expect PS5 to sell 100+mil though.
 
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Oh Xbox will be closer, but i just feel Playstation is simply more popular worldwide, and has Japan, something Xbox doesnt. Imo SeX will sell in the 60-70mil range, and have a little bit of a comeback. I still expect PS5 to sell 100+mil though.
No way Sony sells 100 million again next gen. No way in hell. I'd put $1000 on that bet right now. They're in hiding now because Microsoft has done enough so far to make them very cautious about the next steps they take. And Xcloud /game streaming will hit hard next gen. No fucking way broski. No way...
 
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No way Sony sells 100 million again. No way in hell. I'd put $1000 on that bet right now.
People said the same before this gen, and we are going to probably pass the 170mil that 360 and PS3 did last gen.
I dont see any evidence, or any reason, that would suggest consoles sales will be lower next gen.
 
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People said the same before this gen, and we are going to probably pass the 170mil that 360 and PS3 did last gen.
I dont see any evidence, or any reason, that would suggest consoles sales will be lower next gen.
Really?? With Gamepass, Xcloud, 15+ studios with multiple teams on multiple projects, Series X, being the most powerful console on the market, Lockhart also on the horizon, plus Google and Amazon on the heels of all three major players offering a robust cloud infrastructure along with Microsoft which Sony and Nintendo have NO answer for and all three companies having more money than god??? And Sony and Nintendo????

Bro, really???
 
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Really?? With Gamepass, Xcloud, 15+ studios with multiple teams on multiple projects, Series X, being the most powerful console on the market, Lockhart also on the horizon, plus Google and Amazon on the heels of all three major players offering a robust cloud infrastructure along with Microsoft which Sony and Nintendo have NO answer for and both companies having more money than god???

Bro, really???
You mean from an Xbox doing great perspective?. Well the problem for me is that there is just so much toxicity around Xbox (just look at this forum lol) that SeX could be 30tf, and cost $300, and i still think it would be hard for them to beat PS5 in raw sales. Now if Xbox has a great gen games wise, and publicity wise, then i could see a Xbox 5 beating a PS6 the gen after.
 

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You mean from an Xbox doing great perspective?. Well the problem for me is that there is just so much toxicity around Xbox (just look at this forum lol) that SeX could be 30tf, and cost $300, and i still think it would be hard for them to beat PS5 in raw sales. Now if Xbox has a great gen games wise, and publicity wise, then i could see a Xbox 5 beating a PS6 the gen after.
I agree. But then again, next gen will be much different than any other gen before. Again, this isn't just about console sales anymore. Its about ecosystems. Its about game streaming. Ita about services like Gamepass and low barrier entry. Consoles will remain the optimal way to enjoy your games, but certainly aren't the only way anymore.
 

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Playstation won this gen, and imo will win next gen. Thats why the constant trolling is so frustating, because its not needed, whether you hate Xbox or not.
It's always fun making fun of the loser.
god i cant wait until tlou2 comes out. gonna be in shitpost heaven.
 

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Maybe there is just a lot more Sony fans on here than Xbox fans. Whatever the reason is, it sucks, and is tedious.
Xbox deciding to hit the suicide button at the start of the generation might have something to do with it.
 
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I agree. But then again, next gen will be much different than any other gen before. Again, this isn't just about console sales anymore. Its about ecosystems. Its about game streaming. Ita about services like Gamepass and low barrier entry. Consoles will remain the optimal way to enjoy your games, but certainly aren't the only way anymore.
Oh for sure, but i still think most console gamers now, will still be console gamers next gen. I'm not really bothered about sales, or who 'wins'. Like you said, there are so many services now, and other ways for them to get money off consumers, that raw console sales really arent as important as they once were. I just want both Xbox and Playstation to sell well, and keep streaming at bay. I'm just not a streaming fan (although i still think streaming wont work with PC gamrers, and i am one so).
 
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Oh for sure, but i still think most console gamers now, will still be console gamers next gen. I'm not really bothered about sales, or who 'wins'. Like you said, there are so many services now, and other ways for them to get money off consumers, that raw console sales really arent as important as they once were. I just want both Xbox and Playstation to sell well, and keep streaming at bay. I'm just not a streaming fan (although i still think streaming wont work with PC gamrers, and i am one so).
I don’t see streaming taking off either. We already have a gauge of interest with PSNow and Stadia. PSNow later introduced a download option which is much more friendlier than streaming.

Stadia will need to do the same if it wants to survive.
 

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Oh for sure, but i still think most console gamers now, will still be console gamers next gen. I'm not really bothered about sales, or who 'wins'. Like you said, there are so many services now, and other ways for them to get money off consumers, that raw console sales really arent as important as they once were. I just want both Xbox and Playstation to sell well, and keep streaming at bay. I'm just not a streaming fan (although i still think streaming wont work with PC gamrers, and i am one so).
Console gamers will probably remain console gamers, yep. I sure will be. But I am looking forward to gaming on the go, too. There's definitely a market for it as mobile gaming proves every year. But we've never had the ability to stream games like Halo Infinite, Gears 5, Outer Worlds, Forza Horizon 4, Forza 8, Playgrounds new IP, The Intiatives new IP etc, at the visual fidelity seen on Xcloud. I think streaming in connection with GP Is going to be a powerful one two punch in the gaming space.

And if Xcloud is rolled into GP Ultimate, that's gonna change things.
 
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Console gamers will probably remain console gamers, yep. I sure will be. But I am looking forward to gaming on the go, too. There's definitely a market for it as mobile gaming proves every year. But we've never had the ability to stream games like Halo Infinite, Gears 5, Outer Worlds, Forza Horizon 4, Forza 8, Playgrounds new IP, The Intiatives new IP etc, at the visual fidelity seen on Xcloud. I think streaming in connection with GP Is going to be a powerful one two punch in the gaming space.

And if Xcloud is rolled into GP Ultimate, that's gonna change things.
Never been a fan of mobile gaming. Its a big tv/couch experience for me. Its def a good option for people that want it, but i'm not one of them. I have hope that the analyst company that predicted that streaming will only have about 4% of the industry by 2023, are on point!. If Stadia is any kind of evidence, then they could be right.
 

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Good. I play games, not hardware. And I'm not associated with either Sony or MS in any possible way, I don't even have their stocks, so I couldn't care less how their hardware sales. I just want to play the games, that's all, and if MS allows me to do so, then let it be, I'll gladly take it, and on what hardware I'll play the games, it's nobody's business.
 

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What suicide button? Putting the players first? Yeah such a bad idea...
What MS is doing with this “oh, we are not making new generation exclusives for you, we are putting players first” here seems like the gaming equivalent of marketing asbestos free cereals:


Seriously, I find it odd... MS or often some fans of theirs for them trying to reframe everything they do, even when self serving or just adapting to their own circumstance (next generation software not being ready yet, studios just recently acquired, etc... which they will admit on their own as “only 1 years without true exclusives, games are coming just not ready yet, etc...”), as the only pro consumer option, something they do for people in the people’s best interest. Not alone in this sure, but this angle is pushed and astroturfed like clockwork.
 
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Seriously, I find it odd... MS trying to reframe everything they do, even when self serving or just adapting to their own unique situation (next generation software not being ready yet, studios just recently acquired, etc...), as the only pro consumer option, something they do for people in the people’s best interest. Not alone in this sure, but this angle is pushed and astroturfed like clockwork.
But they're not saying they are the only pro-consumer gaming company. They are just saying that the decisions they took, for which gamers wanted answers, were taken because they want gamers to play on every device possible. This wasn't a marketing campaign, this was just an interview with Booty who said, yeah sure people can play the new games for the first two years on our old consoles too. Just a quick mention, it was the internet that blew it out of proportion as if it was a crime, which meant Microsoft had to explain why they were doing it. Obviously since people were talking so much about it, they thought about it long and hard with their marketing team before communicating. And thus giving this type of marketing response.