Interestingly, I remember reading that Serah was also supposed to be a playable character. But constraints couldn't make it happen. Seems to tell me a lot of the plot was changed due to mishaps.
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Interestingly, I remember reading that Serah was also supposed to be a playable character. But constraints couldn't make it happen. Seems to tell me a lot of the plot was changed due to mishaps.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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I know FFXIV's troubled development is hurting them, but VSXIII being in limbo for almost 7 years is also crazy.
Was Dragon Quest X also a financial risk? At this rate, is waiting 5-10 years to make a profit off of DQX a good idea? DQX being a MMO is still a bizarre idea to me because as a longtime DQ fan, I know that in Japan parents love to play the series with their kids which is one of the reasons why it sells so much. Would parents pay a sub-fee to let their kids play this? Just want to throw that out there.
A numbered DQ game would've already sold in the millions by now and Kingdom Hearts 3 on consoles would've been HUGE! Missed opportunities.
Was Dragon Quest X also a financial risk? At this rate, is waiting 5-10 years to make a profit off of DQX a good idea? DQX being a MMO is still a bizarre idea to me because as a longtime DQ fan, I know that in Japan parents love to play the series with their kids which is one of the reasons why it sells so much. Would parents pay a sub-fee to let their kids play this? Just want to throw that out there.
A numbered DQ game would've already sold in the millions by now and Kingdom Hearts 3 on consoles would've been HUGE! Missed opportunities.
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
You know, SE could do a lot better in the HD consoles if they start porting and releasing their older games via PSN/XBLA like what Sega is doing now instead of trying to please the world crowd by Western development or "Western" development.
Like what I've said before, the JRPG market on digital consoles hasn't been tapped yet and there's a lot of potential. I think they'll do great if Secret of Mana, or Secret of Evermore, Treasure of Rudras, Chaos Rings, and Live-a-Live would do great on PSN/XBLA. Heck they could probably release an SNES collection (kinda like the Genesis collection) on PS3/PSV/360 and it will still do wonders.
Like what I've said before, the JRPG market on digital consoles hasn't been tapped yet and there's a lot of potential. I think they'll do great if Secret of Mana, or Secret of Evermore, Treasure of Rudras, Chaos Rings, and Live-a-Live would do great on PSN/XBLA. Heck they could probably release an SNES collection (kinda like the Genesis collection) on PS3/PSV/360 and it will still do wonders.
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Yes that was what it felt like. If FFXIII was a SNES or PS1 game, Cocoon would have been world map 1 (like in FFIII) and Gran Pulse could have been been world map 2. Instead they made Cocoon all corridorish while destroying half the locations and Gran Pulse a very nice but ultimately stale place because the side missions make you run through it so many timessssss...
It was clear that they were capable of making HD towns. They were present in FFXIII, just not as the places of respite and manual exposition like they had been in many RPGs. They however chose to make places even more linear than the ones in FFX. Gran Pulse showed that they were capable of making a location that was both pretty and had scale. Instead they never managed to extend that kind of technical prowess further. Had they been more organised, the failure that was Crystal Tools would not have gotten to them since they clearly managed to make something technically good even with the bad engine.
DQX already made back its costs a while ago. They probably kept the costs low by using Crystal Tools and with the Wii I supposed the development power is far less than say FFXIII's.
Think we have had our fair share of coward stunts already. Clearly some of you act out of character while out of GAF. Pretty jarring and sad.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
What is the point of discussing opinions when you call me names and reduce my thoughts to shit? Even if I respond with my side I'm immediately "bitchy" lol. Internet or not, having a convo with you guys must be a barrel of monkeys.
I said the scope of the level design was the opposite, while the objective of collecting the same items was the same. Hence, basic same game but with limited environments. Compared to earlier entries. Again, my opinion from playing the games and realizing the world exploration from 64 was missing.
Can't tell whether you never "lose" or not, but keeping the discussion to the matter at hand is key, indeed. You need to be made of marble to discuss Final Fantasy while remaining cool-headed, moreover whenever your positions go against the Kagarmi's.
Reached the complex of steel's status not so long ago for one.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Read corvosol's post above. "Discussion" at its best here lol. I keep truckin on, havin my opinions, enjoyin mah vidyas. It's easier when you're not a game crazed kid anymore and just an adult with a hobby.
What exactly do you mean by waiting 5-10 years to make a profit? How much do you think it cost to make, $400 millions?
From Wada:
DQX has sold 633,827 copies as December 30, 2012, and although we haven't gotten any updated subscription numbers, there is no indication that the numbers have taken a dip since october.
FFXIV will take longer than DQX to recover costs, but if the game is good, the players will be there, there is still a market for paid MMOs, even against popular belief, and with the Beta starting sometime in the next 2 weeks, we will be able to see how it's shaping out.
All the people busy with 14 will finally go back to other projects and Versus, 15, 16 or whatever any possible titles being on hold, will continue their development and brighter days might be ahead for SE.
Also, the main platform SE should be pursuing (for non-scam games) is the 3DS, since it's a relatively low-cost and low-risk platform compared to the home consoles, but we might see more about this year, specially since DQ7 is releasing tomorrow.
As I've said earlier in another thread related to SE, I would split the FF contingent of NeoGAF into three categories.
- Old-schoolers, those who stopped believing in the series after VI -- MagiusNecros, Dark-Schala (not so sure about her), etc.
- Nomura-stans, those who believe Toryiama and Kitase are the culprits -- Kagari & co.
- fanboys, those who believe the series has, is and will always do(ne/ing) fine -- Toth, LuuKyK, me, etc.
Glass Rebel
Member
Fanboy status! Woot
Personally, I just like each and every entry for different reasons. Some things work, some things don't. No game is absolutely perfect and I would gladly play any FF many times at any time. (I am about to start my 4th FF13 play through and just finished my fourth FF12 play through last year).Not necessary, but not harmful either. Just pointing out the trends I've seen transpire ever since I've started posting around these parts. We're all one big family at the end... or maybe two. But no more than two.
Meccanical
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sublimit
Banned
You would be wrong.
I have played all FF's and the ones after VI are my favourites,with the exception of VIII which i didn't liked and XI which i haven't played.But i also love III,IV and VI.
But i also belong in the second group as well.Just add Wada in the group of culprits and it will be perfect.
So i don't know,i think i'm somewhere between group 1 and group 2.
In all seriousness, it sucks a thread that aimed at discussing SE's state seriously, as in backed by numbers, had to drip into fan-boyish realms. Not going to deny my involvement into that shit either.
Damage-control aside, I'm not worried about SE's future as a whole so long they keep Eidos and their franchise under their sleeve.
Damage-control aside, I'm not worried about SE's future as a whole so long they keep Eidos and their franchise under their sleeve.
AranhaHunter
Banned
Stock shot up 5.44% yesterday so investors liked these results. I have a feeling they most liked the hint of SE focusing on social/mobile/browser games.
My only worry is that Square draws the wrong conclusions from results like these (giving up on Western market/console market, trying to Westernize their games, etc).
Otherwise I still think Square is well situated to make a comeback next gen. Many of their problems this generation stem from Crystal Tools and FFXIV.
This will happen with any SE/FF related thread these days, lol
Otherwise I still think Square is well situated to make a comeback next gen. Many of their problems this generation stem from Crystal Tools and FFXIV.
This will happen with any SE/FF related thread these days, lol
What about me? I'm an old school fan that adores VI, but I also view VII as a great game. Certainly not the best, but I don't hate it or anything. VIII was terrible. IX was great in theory, but the battle system utterly ruins the game. X was saved by its music, XII I played for 20 minutes and got bored.
tldr; I like 75% of the numbered FF's.
I'm in a similar boat.
Adore VI
VII is great
VIII is terrible
IX is sluggish and unplayable, despite seeming like a good game otherwise
X is saved by the post game content
XII has an awful story and pacing, though I enjoy the open world elements and battle system
edit: shit, this is list wars.
While I found VIII's story and characters utterly horrid there was something intensely addictive about the battle system/Junctioning.
And while I do have a lot of love for IX, in retrospect, the game's battle system is way too bloody slow.
X isn't too bad either. Really liked the Conditional Based battle system and the story was interesting in places, but the game's pacing is a big problem.
There's a lot to admire about XII. But ultimately the game failed to emotionally engage me with the experience. Pacing is a problem here too.
Fuck XIII.
And while I do have a lot of love for IX, in retrospect, the game's battle system is way too bloody slow.
X isn't too bad either. Really liked the Conditional Based battle system and the story was interesting in places, but the game's pacing is a big problem.
There's a lot to admire about XII. But ultimately the game failed to emotionally engage me with the experience. Pacing is a problem here too.
Fuck XIII.
Yup, this is funny since I'm getting so sick and tired of hearing about how "Eidos saved SE". People seem to forget that they were on the verge of closing before SE picked them up. They've had a few successes under SE, yes.. but a bunch of failures as well. What will happen when the failures add up and weigh down SE further?
Glass Rebel
Member
They'll just sweep them under the rotting corpse that is FFXIV.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
This is pretty much me, though flip IX and V. I is dumb fun still too.
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People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Where do I fall here?
I played all the games (FFI-FFXIII, FFX-2, FFXIII-2, FFIV:TAY, FFVII:CC) except XI and XIV and I've enjoyed all of them (well, except for II) but I know their faults.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
That's mean and unnecessary.
Well, he was defending Final Fantasy: All the Bravest. Thats worth a ban...
APZonerunner
Member
While this is grasping at some sort of vaguely-correct gist loosely, it also couldn't be more rubbish and hilariously stupid as a concept, really. People who do this are basically the cancer that has caused the Final Fantasy community to mostly eat its own head, though, and are as much to blame for that as the path the games have taken.
Not cool, man.
Edge_Maverick
Member
What's Versus anyway?
Ah. You know, people have described me as a cancer for the Dissidia community more than once, but it's really the first time the allegation has been extended to the realms of the Final Fantasy community by and large. Likewise, may I ask your take on the contingent of the fan-base who condescendingly considers "peers" enjoying the development of the series as it is? Who like Lightning and the XIII trilogy?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Is pretty sad since most of the games they released this year has been succesful to at least some degree and they are still having losses? I'm pretty sure is not the console enviroment rather than FF XIV cost and their mismanagement the main cause of it.
For example: They're late to HD releases, I mean we'll get KH1.5 HD basically at the end of the life of current gen consoles and no sight of FF X HD, which I strongly believe that it won't make it to the current gen...
For example: They're late to HD releases, I mean we'll get KH1.5 HD basically at the end of the life of current gen consoles and no sight of FF X HD, which I strongly believe that it won't make it to the current gen...
(Avatar quote.)
APZonerunner
Member
I just don't think it needs to be sliced and divided into sections. It causes this bullshit, ridiculous gang mentality that just damages the ability for the Final Fantasy community to be a strong thing. There's a lot of amazing people who love the series and could build one of the better gaming communities online, but they undermine themselves with this stuff.
The same is true of any gaming community - there's always going to be fights and battles, be it Wind Waker versus Twilight Princess, SF4 versus Third Strike or Sakaguchi era versus Modern era, but I feel the venom spat in the FF community is far worse, and over the last five years in particular it's become one of the most conflict-driven, uninviting gaming fanbases online. That's sad.
People are entitled to their opinions, even within that fan base, and the reason people get so upset, riled up and complain so much is because they care. FF is special to them. The complainers don't deserve to be sneered at for their opinions any more than those who love the newer games, and the respect the two groups should have for each other is a two way street. I see plenty of 'haters' at the throats of FF13 fans just because, utterly failing to actually make any points about why they feel how they do, but I see an equal number of people on the other side of the fence doing the Iraqi information minster act, writing off opinions of people who don't like it because they assume they're just another negative nancy out to dump on Lightning.
If you look at other similar fan communities - say Zelda or Sonic - they have the same differences of opinion floating throughout them, but without the venomous, poisonous snide that's in FF. It's true on GAF, or the fan sites. Kagari knows this theory of mine well, but I think of all game series' Final Fantasy is most similar to Sonic in its fans and their reaction to the path the series has taken (FF14 is our Sonic 06?) There is a split, absolutely (black eyes versus green eyes!) and the series has definitely gone in interesting places, sometimes good, sometimes bad, but that community has always kept their shit relatively together through all that, while the FF community both at GAF and at large just seems to keep splitting itself over and over into these ridiculous camps.
I don't know you, dude, and that comment wasn't intended as a direct comment on you (and was probably a bit poorly phrased), but I can't describe how much things like what you said, slicing the fan base up and essentially encouraging the groups to cannibalize each other and in-fight until people get so pissed off they leave irritates me. The labels basically end up promoting fighting over intelligent discussion, and they're also... well, they're labels. They're basic, restrictive, and don't allow for the nuance that being a real fan entails. For most of these people it isn't about hating all the games after or before a certain point, but far more than that, and just labelling them as 'Nomuraites' or 'Sakaguchi disciples' or whatever else doesn't cover it, and it just causes the two camps to butt heads harder than they otherwise might. It's one of the reasons I don't show up in the FF threads or communities too often these days - the constant stream of fighting over thoughtful discussion slays me.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
If Versus was a KH world it would be The World that Never Was.