I'm curious what you mean by 'fall apart.' Failed projects or Poor Results? Because I can definitely think of 1 that they were proud of that didn't meet their expectations.
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Star Fox Zero Delayed to Q1 2016
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I'm curious what you mean by 'fall apart.' Failed projects or Poor Results? Because I can definitely think of 1 that they were proud of that didn't meet their expectations.
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I really don't have high hopes for this game with all the delays, all the determination of making play on both screens simultaneously work.
At this point, I hope it just gets delayed and goes cross platform with NX and the NX version not having the two screen stuff.
At this point, I hope it just gets delayed and goes cross platform with NX and the NX version not having the two screen stuff.
Why wouldn't Zelda count as a launch title? Especially if it releases before the Wii U version? It's not like there's some rule stating that consumers will only be interested in games developed entirely on NX. And it's not as if the system would launch with just those 3 games only. There will always be some 3rd party stuff to fill out the library. But Pikmin, Zelda, Mario, and possibly even Retro's game would be incredibly strong pillars for a console launch. Wii U didn't have that; NSMBU suffered from series fatigue and the appeal of Nintendoland wasn't easily understood by a lot of people. Wii had Wii Sports and Twilight Princess, which were both great launch games but still way inferior to what NX might have. Not to mention Xbox One and PS4 launched with very little in terms of big, compelling games. It's not as if console launches are expected to have higher caliber games than this. I don't see know universe you're in where Nintendo launching with Mario and Zelda isn't a win.
Movalpolos
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You're delusional if all you think it takes is Mario and Zelda for a "win". This isn't 1991.
The competition is stronger and has been for awhile. A new Nintendo home console in this climate is dead.
perfectchaos007
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So should Nintendo just close its doors? They arent going 3rd party
that goes without saying. most people don't buy video game systems.
i think that within the realm of the people who do buy video game systems, it'll certainly be more successful than wii u. i would look at 3ds instead of wii u for recent examples of nintendo reaching a mainstream video game system buying audience.
the competition in the dedicated space is weakening with everything else. it's just stronger in comparison to nintendo's home console efforts. sony can't compete on the handheld side of business, and microsoft is potentially trying to transition the xbox brand into a sort of smartphone kind of electronic (as far as how they approach hardware refreshes at least).
the strong competition comes from the non-dedicate space. steam and mobile are what's slowly taking over.
LegendofLex
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Which people are you talking about? Aside from the world 1) actually appearing to be open and 2) not looking totally like shit, there's basically nothing of substance for people to be "losing their shit" about at this point. And that's why I think the general tone even from people positive on the game is one of wanting to learn more, not one of "I'm utterly satisfied with what I've seen."
Some samples from The Game Awards footage:
Even Miyamoto said during The Game Awards video, "Are you sure this will be ready in 2015?"
I think all of that is a very apt summary of how most non-diehards probably have received this game so far.
As of last year's E3, this would have meant...Tri Force Heroes?
That's PR spin.
Here's what Aonuma actually said:
They wouldn't need to take the extra time if the game was already turning out well within its original timetable. They "would like to take this time [the delay] so we can bring you a very special experience, by making the ultimate Zelda game."
So either
1) they previously weren't aiming to make the ultimate Zelda game, and now are (not good news for the game they were previously aiming to make)
or
2) they were previously aiming to make the ultimate Zelda game, and they need the extra development time to achieve that vision (which means that vision wasn't going to be achieved in the original timetable)
Which of these scenarios sounds like they were happy with the way the game was going?
Going by Twilight Princess, this is pretty much absolutely not the case.
The only reason they'd do this for any reason related to NX is if they decided not to bank on the Wii U version and focus on promoting the NX version instead.
The more you let people's hype build without any actual information, the more easily disappointed they are.
MrSaturn99
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This may've been mentioned already, but if that supposed NCL meeting is on Friday, I doubt a delay would be in the cards (not that one was explicitly mentioned, but still). There's no way this game isn't in the Direct.
Either way, we'll know tomorrow.
True, but I was speaking more in quality.
Although, Zero being disappointing could be the one way it'd actually trump Adventures. Remember when Miyamoto said Nintendo wasn't satisfied with how other companies handled Star Fox? Adventures could be written off as a bizarre fluke, but with how efforts by the Ace Combat Team/Dylan Cuthbert didn't win over fans, I doubt anything could cement more pessimism than a Miyamoto/Platinum Games collaboration falling short. Things would come full circle.
Actually, listen to them again. Peppy's not only piloting the Great Fox, but they directly mention the vaccine/program that destroys the Aparoids. That mission was easily Star Wolf's most minor role from the original game, so I don't think see the problem with them being absent. Also, Brawl's Assault music rips.
Krystal being gone is the only weird thing about it, really. If anything, given the development timeframe involved I'd chalk that up to SF643D. Any conspiracy theories regarding it are rather...?
(Ironically, while I enjoy playing on OBA, Lylat Cruise is still my favorite SF stage. I'd actually nominate Melee's Venom as being the inaccurate SF stage).
Either way, we'll know tomorrow.
True, but I was speaking more in quality.
Although, Zero being disappointing could be the one way it'd actually trump Adventures. Remember when Miyamoto said Nintendo wasn't satisfied with how other companies handled Star Fox? Adventures could be written off as a bizarre fluke, but with how efforts by the Ace Combat Team/Dylan Cuthbert didn't win over fans, I doubt anything could cement more pessimism than a Miyamoto/Platinum Games collaboration falling short. Things would come full circle.
Actually, listen to them again. Peppy's not only piloting the Great Fox, but they directly mention the vaccine/program that destroys the Aparoids. That mission was easily Star Wolf's most minor role from the original game, so I don't think see the problem with them being absent. Also, Brawl's Assault music rips.
Krystal being gone is the only weird thing about it, really. If anything, given the development timeframe involved I'd chalk that up to SF643D. Any conspiracy theories regarding it are rather...?
(Ironically, while I enjoy playing on OBA, Lylat Cruise is still my favorite SF stage. I'd actually nominate Melee's Venom as being the inaccurate SF stage).
Movalpolos
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That's effecting Nintendo more than anyone. They are the ones who have been relying on dedicated handheld game sales. They have lost the living room. I see a future with at least one more successful PS console. Dedicated gaming handhelds are dead, not the home console. Mobile will remain the dominant force in the handheld market. Steam will remain dominant in PC. Neither of these have any effect on PS4 sales.
They will be going 3rd party eventually.
The Wii and Gamecube did not have a drastic difference in hardware. There wasn't a whole lot of anything substantial they could have done to make TP look better. Most rumors and common sense guesses suggest NX will be near Xbox One, which is a generational leap over Wii U. The opportunities to enhance the game's visuals would be much greater, even if it's as simple as upping the resolution or framerate. TP isn't a reliable precedent here.
The rest of your argument involves your perception of the game, which has been different than mine. I haven't seen that much negativity. Almost everything I've heard involves either lavish praise for the art style and visuals or excitement over the open exploration. I've heard a few passing concerns that the overworld will be empty. I think you've chosen the most negative comments you could find and are passing them off as the average opinion. The harshest assessment of the fan reaction I could possibly come up with is that people are cautiously excited for the game.
Whatever you believe, there's no reason to believe Zelda U is in trouble. There's no proof the delay was made for development issues, nor is there any shred to suggest there are issues in the first place. Almost everyone is on the same page that the game is coming to NX and that's why it was delayed. Starfox Zero is different. It was received with overwhelming criticism, both in terms of its e3 reveal and its gameplay. Of those who previewed the game only a few actually seemed to like the controls, and the reaction to the visuals and general game concept was very mixed. It was very clear the game was having problems when the delay was announced. There have been corroborated rumors from previously reliable sources saying that the development is very troubled. This is not even remotely comparable to Zelda U's situation at all. There are unambiguous signs of Starfox's issues everywhere.
wonderful103
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Both of those things are having an effect on ps4 sales both from the perspective of hardware and increasingly insular software. The console market is being squeezed from both sides. Kids growing up with free mobile games aren't all suddenly going to transition en masse, either, to the market where it's a hell of a lot more expensive. But what does that have to do with star fox? Lol
it will start to affect sony too. if nintendo, microsoft, and valve start moving in the direction of having hardware that's upgraded more frequently, they'll follow suit. they won't be the one company stuck in the past of one dedicated platform for five to six years while competition is constantly evolving around them.
and nintendo's not going third-party to those platforms. maybe pc and mobile, but not the dying dedicated hardware market.
What exactly are you expecting from Nintendo? It's hard for a company to provide one great piece of software to drive a launch, let alone three or more. There are always numerous first and third party titles to launch with, but in the long run it comes down to one or two important ones to inspire people to buy a system. Usually, Nintendo is lucky enough to have one big Mario or Zelda game at launch. Look at the previous launches and what the significant titles were. Nintendo has never had the opportunity to launch with a new 3D Mario, Zelda, and Pikmin all at once. I don't know why you're trying so hard to twist it into something otherwise, but that would be a very strong start to a new console.
They already went third party. Miitomi is going to release this month.
efyu_lemonardo
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NinjaCoachZ
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Tamaki is backpedalling so hard on twitter right now.
Can we not bother making threads for anything he says from now on?
Can we not bother making threads for anything he says from now on?
Enter the Dragon Punch
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slippy's uncle GRIPPY walking in on him playing with his joystick
don't think you're being fucking clever nintendo i know what you're doing
At the same time, he was right about Paper Mario U and the Amiibo Mario vs DK game. So could well be true that Western branches did not want to release the game in its current state. Looking at what they showed today, that's not even implausible, with Star Fox Guard looking to be most fun of the package.
Please. ..
It's not a backpedal. He always said it was being discussed with NCL wanting to release it and the others having issues with it. A decision clearly was made and it's being released. He never said it was going to be delayed but that it was being discussed.
Yeap, to be fair, I think the guy knows his stuff. But he was too dramatic. Really hope the game is welcomed at least by its hardcore fans.
well this is probably the safest thing to say. He is right in every scenario lol
He said it was gonna be discussed tommorrow. LOL
OrbitalBeard
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He's a a legitimate source. He's not always going to get accurate information 100% of the time though, so it would not be wise to take everything he says as gospel. But I also wouldn't simply discount everything he posts as nonsense.
linkandzelda
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Maybe I'm wrong, but my takeaway is that he can have good infos, he can have sketchy infos (at least, he specified back then that Shovel Knight's source was different than usual), but, especially lately, he seems to paint the correct infos he get...negatively? It's the impression I've been getting for a while.
He said they were discussing it "right now" after he learned the Direct was happening. That's a backpedal. A very, very hard one to cover his ass. Period.
-shadow-
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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised of NOE really did push for a delay.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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This guy is pure comedy.
No, he's an attention monger who might or might not have legitimate sources. He himself is clearly not a legitimate source. The internet is a big place and lots of people know lots of people. The difference is that some people like to be louder than others in proclaiming that they know shit, to get attention.
Glass Rebel
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Back here to eat some crow. The game looks legit good now.
as for Tamaki
as for Tamaki
TheBaldEmperor
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Yes please!!! So sick of this dude...
OrbitalBeard
Member
No, he's an attention monger who might or might not have legitimate sources. He himself is clearly not a legitimate source. The internet is a big place and lots of people know lots of people. The difference is that some people like to be louder than others in proclaiming that they know shit, to get attention.
Yeah, this is a much better way of putting it.
I guess my point is that he does seem to get accurate info sometimes, so I wouldn't write off everything he says immediately. It's certainly wise to be skeptical though and he definitely makes himself look bad a lot of the time. He seems to have a hard time dealing with criticism.
OrbitalBeard
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Fair enough.
TheBaldEmperor
Member
He also seems to "piggyback" on a lot of rumors from other legit folks. "Oh hey I knew about that too but couldn't say anything lol!" Shovel Knight ain't in Smash Bros. folks. He's a con artist and it's embarrassing that people are paying to read his bs rumors on his patreon.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Shovel Knight in Smash Bros. rumor. Yikes.
Kagoshima_Luke
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I have been onboard for this since first reveal. Why you guys have no faith in a Miyamoto Starfox game?
chaosblade
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Miyamoto is the one responsible for Adventures and injecting most of the problems into the series.
Still, I don't really understand the complaints. It's not the best looking game, but it looks like Star Fox. Should be fun.
My only three criticisms with what I've seen of the game are the underwhelming graphics, boring looking hoverbot sections, and the insistence on the gamepad. The graphics have been improving slightly, but to be honest, I would play this if it truly were an upressed N64 sequel. I have nothing positive to say about the hover sections. The gamepad control has been confirmed to be built intrinsically into the game for singleplayer with portions of the game design necessitating separate movement and aiming controls.
The game's quality totally hinges on the quality of those controls and how well they're implemented. I truly hope it works out well, because I want another N64-esque Star Fox.
The game's quality totally hinges on the quality of those controls and how well they're implemented. I truly hope it works out well, because I want another N64-esque Star Fox.